The value of public funded art

[garinda]

Originally Posted by flashy

what a very bitchy thread this has turned out to be

My own opinion is that I believe passinately in what I'm posting.

I don't think it's bitching by posting that there will be cuts in services, and jobs, here in Hyndurn. Just after we've spent thousands of pounds of tax payers' money on community art projects.

I totally believe that is wrong, and if saying so is 'bitching', I'll carry on doing it until I draw my last breath.

As stated earlier, if companies like Camalot want to channel some of their profits into such things, and fund them 100%, not a problem to me at all.

Though I might pass on my musings as to their artistic worth, if they're put into the public arena. Some might even consider my critique bitchy.

What I'd say to that is that what's bitchy to some, is the plain truth to others.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by katex

Do you have that statement on copy and paste ?

You mentioned costs, but it was lost because you posted it on Margaret's quote.

We now know some of the costs.

Some we don't.

We are to be informed of those after a particular event, the Victorian Swimming Gala, for example..

Though goodness alone knows why?

[garinda]

There's one thing.

This thread's been exceptionally good value for money, being free.

(Cue Less, and the running costs involved with Accy Web, and more people should quite rightly consider making a donation to it.)

Nevertheless, well done Gayle, for starting such a thought provoking, worthy, and valuable thead.

We'll get back to you as to the value of the Victorian Swimming Gala, when the funding costs are made public, rather than whispered to a chosen few.

[Less]

Originally Posted by garinda

(Cue Less, and the running costs involved with Accy Web, and more people should quite rightly consider making a donation to it.)

That was hardly fair nor relevent to the thread now was it?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Less

That was hardly fair nor relevent to the thread now was it?

Wasn't having a go.

Thought it was a valid point.

You do remind us that this forum does have running costs. Quite rightly so, in my opinion. So I'd have been wrong to post that it was 'free', unlike community arts, to which I compared it.

Besides you most unprofessionally missed your cue, so we're removing your state funded theatre subsidy.

[Less]

Originally Posted by garinda

Wasn't having a go.

Thought it was a valid point.

You do remind us that this forum does have running costs. Quite rightly so, in my opinion. So I'd have been wrong to post that it was 'free', unlike community arts, to which I compared it.

Besides you most unprofessionally missed your cue, so we're removing your state funded theatre subsidy.

I do mention the running costs, I would have thought you would have noticed the type of person I mention them to.
Comparing the running costs of the site to any of the projects mentioned in the thread just doesn't seem relevant though.
The site can hardly be classed as arty farty nor does it have a hope in he'll of ever getting money from the public purse.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by Less

I do mention the running costs, I would have thought you would have noticed the type of person I mention them to.
Comparing the running costs of the site to any of the projects mentioned in the thread just doesn't seem relevant though.
The site can hardly be classed as arty farty nor does it have a hope in he'll of ever getting money from the public purse.

Never say never.

This site seems to be quite a hub for a large amount of the Accrington online community, I'd rather have given you £591k than try to reinvent the wheel.

How much does Accrington Web actually cost each year and are you getting the donations you need to meet it?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Less

I do mention the running costs, I would have thought you would have noticed the type of person I mention them to.
Comparing the running costs of the site to any of the projects mentioned in the thread just doesn't seem relevant though.
The site can hardly be classed as arty farty nor does it have a hope in he'll of ever getting money from the public purse.

I aplogise if I've offended you.

I was just pointing out the good value Gayle's thread's turned into, all at very little cost.

You did still miss your cue. So your Waiting for Godot funding has gone for a Burton.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Never say never.

This site seems to be quite a hub for a large amount of the Accrington online community, I'd rather have given you £591k than try to reinvent the wheel.

How much does Accrington Web actually cost each year and are you getting the donations you need to meet it?

Shall I do a 'lovely Debbie McGee'?

Row flares over £591,000 spent on outdated website - Accrington Observer

(Produced with a flourish.)

Now, that's magic.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Never say never.

This site seems to be quite a hub for a large amount of the Accrington online community, I'd rather have given you £591k than try to reinvent the wheel.

How much does Accrington Web actually cost each year and are you getting the donations you need to meet it?

I would willingly snatch a cheque of 591k out of your hands, THANK YOU, but wouldn't the money be better if it actually went to the site owner who would actually be in a position to use the money FOR the site?
As with anything else, there is always a shortfall, however, I think Roy is the person to ask for accurate answers.
(Thanks Rindy, Couldn't have plugged accyweb fund raising without you).

[Neil]

Originally Posted by garinda

....Not for them, the very real worry that the cuts, that WILL be made, will result in the termination of employment.....

Everyone who works is under constant threat of losing there job in my opinion, I know I am.

If my company decides they need to save money to stay afloat then I could be out the door. This is the same in any business so why should working for HBC be any different?

No such thing as a job for life any more.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Neil

If my company decides they need to save money to stay afloat then I could be out the door. This is the same in any business so why should working for HBC be any different?

Is your employer currently funding many community art projects?

I agree, many people are fearful the cuts will put their jobs at risk, whichever sector they work in.

Though in the commercial business world, sponsorship is usually one of the first places to make savings, in the hope of protecting jobs.

If a private company had sponsored and funded these project, again, no problem for me.

The fact that council taxes are being spent on commissioning crocheters, and events like the Victorian Swimming Gala, whose costs will only be publicly revealed after the event, causes fear in a great many people.

[garinda]

'HYNDBURN Council is set to bring in a new redundancy policy as it plans for cuts in local government funding.'

New redundancy policy planned for Hyndburn council (From Blackburn Citizen)

This isn't fear of what might happen.

This is the reality of what is happening.

Still, at least we'll all have a little colour in our lives, thanks to these community art projects, which Hyndburn residents have helped fund.

[Tealeaf]

Originally Posted by garinda

There's one thing.


We'll get back to you as to the value of the Victorian Swimming Gala, when the funding costs are made public, rather than whispered to a chosen few.

Hello...I've missed this. What's the Victorian Swimming Gala all about, then?

[Neil]

Originally Posted by garinda

Is your employer currently funding many community art projects?

They are involved in community projects yes but not in this area.

Originally Posted by garinda

The fact that council taxes are being spent on commissioning crocheters, and events like the Victorian Swimming Gala, whose costs will only be publicly revealed after the event, causes fear in a great many people.

Fear is a strong word.