Legalise "Illegal" Drugs? - Page 2

Gordon Booth · 06-12-2010, 19:45

I love the way some people immediately accuse those who don't agree with them of being prejudiced, spouting empty rhetoric and having their heads 'stuck far up their asses'. It's something I could never manage, could you?
Of course what we have now is not working, making not wearing a seat belt illegal didn't work at first. But gradually people were persuaded that it was sensible to wear one, it delayed the time you became an organ donor.Very few break that law now.
So instead of listening to the 'liberals' arguing for decriminalising with controlled access why can't we have a proper BIG, SUSTAINED publicity campaign showing people what this stuff can and will do to you and try to persuade them that it's not a good idea? Is that not an alternative?

Benipete · 06-12-2010, 19:54

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

I love the way some people immediately accuse those who don't agree with them of being prejudiced, spouting empty rhetoric and having their heads 'stuck far up their asses'. It's something I could never manage, could you?
Of course what we have now is not working, making not wearing a seat belt illegal didn't work at first. But gradually people were persuaded that it was sensible to wear one, it delayed the time you became an organ donor.Very few break that law now.
So instead of listening to the 'liberals' arguing for decriminalising with controlled access why can't we have a proper BIG, SUSTAINED publicity campaign showing people what this stuff can and will do to you and try to persuade them that it's not a good idea? Is that not an alternative?

NO

Gordon Booth · 06-12-2010, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Benipete

NO

Short and to the point. What do YOU suggest then?

Benipete · 06-12-2010, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Short and to the point. What do YOU suggest then?

Well being a member of the great British Empire that introduced most of these drugs to the rest of the world.Not a lot.

Keeping in mind we exported Opium to the Chinese and that there were more cocaine/heroin addicts in the USA in the 30's than there are now you tell me

Gordon Booth · 06-12-2010, 21:43

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Originally Posted by Benipete

Well being a member of the great British Empire that introduced most of these drugs to the rest of the world.Not a lot.

Keeping in mind we exported Opium to the Chinese and that there were more cocaine/heroin addicts in the USA in the 30's than there are now you tell me

Check your facts! The 'great British Empire' didn't invent opium, it was commonly used in India. Nor did we introduce most of these drugs to the world.The import to China was considered illegal by both Governments and don't forget if there wasn't already a massive market for it in China the British traders wouldn't have been pushing it.By modern standards what we did was wrong but don't quote standards and ethics of 170 years ago as if it made it all our fault today.
Your positive contribution-nil.Must try harder.

Benipete · 06-12-2010, 22:47

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Check your facts! The 'great British Empire' didn't invent opium, it was commonly used in India. Nor did we introduce most of these drugs to the world.The import to China was considered illegal by both Governments and don't forget if there wasn't already a massive market for it in China the British traders wouldn't have been pushing it.By modern standards what we did was wrong but don't quote standards and ethics of 170 years ago as if it made it all our fault today.
Your positive contribution-nil.Must try harder.

Of course you are quite right in saying that Britain did not "invent" opium but then I never said they did,They exported it in very large amounts via the British East India Company in fact it was almost a Monopoly.

Heroin however was "invented in England in1874 by a Mr Wright (ironic eh).

Further more 1930 was not 170 years ago.

So to conclude: If you don't want my opinion don't ask and If you do then go to Specsavers before you reply

English Comprehension - You could not do worse.

SamF · 06-12-2010, 23:23

Never bought the legalise and tax argument especially with cannabis - a user can grow their own, probably to a higher standard than they buy now.

Still, the amount spent on the policing of drugs is obscene and I don't believe that whether or not a drug is legal has any effect on a user taking said drug(that given all drugs are legalised at once).

For the record I've never taken an illegal drug, never had a drag of a cigarette for that matter.

Eric · 07-12-2010, 05:53

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

I love the way some people immediately accuse those who don't agree with them of being prejudiced, spouting empty rhetoric and having their heads 'stuck far up their asses'. It's something I could never manage, could you?
Of course what we have now is not working, making not wearing a seat belt illegal didn't work at first. But gradually people were persuaded that it was sensible to wear one, it delayed the time you became an organ donor.Very few break that law now.
So instead of listening to the 'liberals' arguing for decriminalising with controlled access why can't we have a proper BIG, SUSTAINED publicity campaign showing people what this stuff can and will do to you and try to persuade them that it's not a good idea? Is that not an alternative?

No.

***Mr D*** · 07-12-2010, 08:40

The good old Drugs Debate.

Love how people who dont have a clue jump on the bandwagen that "all "Illegal" drugs are bad".

Things need to change thats a fact. I personally dont agree with legalisation but decrimanlsation would be a good start. (Certain Drugs).

Alchol is a drug and is dangeress, but the "Ive never touched illegal drugs in all my life" brigade dont seem to see how certain Illegal drugs could be better for Society than Alchol.

IMO certain perscribed drugs are alot worse that Illegal drugs.

jaysay · 07-12-2010, 08:52

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Come on; you are pretending a naivety that you don't have. In the guise of asking a question ... "why" is still interrogative in the English language, I presume ... you are stating your opinion. If there are a few thousand drug users in Accrington, then there are the same number of reasons as to why they use drugs. And then there are the Sam Stones of this world, coming home from wars and falling into alcoholism and drug abuse ... how do we deal with those unfortunates? Throw them into the slammer?

The drug problems are real ... they have to be dealt with somehow ... if the present system were working, then, no problem, "if it aint broke, don't fix it." But it so obviously is broke.

At least you haven't blamed "thirteen years of labour misrule"

Drug abuse and addiction starts somewhere, I wouldn't think for a minute that somebody snorting cocaine for the first time thinks wow this is great I'm going to become and addict and it'll cost me £100s of pounds a week to fuel my addiction, its the same with any drug. I can honestly say I've never taken any illegal drugs either tabs smoking or otherwise, fags and beer were enough for me, I gave up fags the first time a doc, mentioned I should cut down (not stop) that was 32 years ago, I don't drink these days, save a bottle of wine at weekends, oh yes and Labour did sod all to help stop drug abuse

cashman · 07-12-2010, 08:55

well come on then explain how alcohol in moderation can be any worse? use of alcohol is down to plain common sense.

***Mr D*** · 07-12-2010, 09:18

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well come on then explain how alcohol in moderation can be any worse? use of alcohol is down to plain common sense.

From what I have seen / done, once you start having a few jars common sense goes right out of the window.

The Evidence is broadcast on 3+ Sky Channels every night.

The Use of ALL substanses could be described as "down to plain common sence".

cashman · 07-12-2010, 09:24

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

From what I have seen / done, once you start having a few jars common sense goes right out of the window.

The Evidence is broadcast on 3+ Sky Channels every night.

The Use of ALL substanses could be described as "down to plain common sence".

Disagree alcohol is legal= common sense, drugs are illegal use of = stupidity.criminal.