Did Graham Jones do the right thing? - Page 9

jaysay · 01-11-2011, 18:47

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Originally Posted by garinda

No, I was saying I have a feeling this thread might have a similarly long and active life as those others I mentioned.

Certainly up to three and a half years.

Nae bother.

Oh I see longevity, to rival those threads, in might reach the heady heights of Video Jukebox, and today I met, threads

garinda · 02-11-2011, 07:06

Interesting how straightforward an issue this is seen as, and how it's being reported througout the world.

In countries with no hidden agenda.

'Back in 1975 people voted to join a Common Market. Since then it has developed without ever having had another referendum on what is now the European Union with its own national anthem, its own flag and its own parliament. European rules and regulations intrude into ever more areas of British life.'

'Polls suggest MPs calling for a referendum enjoy strong public support. A ComRes survey for ITV’s News at Ten found 68 per cent support the idea of a national vote on whether or not the UK should remain a member of the EU.'

The Canadian National Newspaper: Crisis inside European Colonial Union: Britain out?

jaysay · 02-11-2011, 08:57

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Originally Posted by garinda

Interesting how straightforward an issue this is seen as, and how it's being reported througout the world.

In countries with no hidden agenda.

'Back in 1975 people voted to join a Common Market. Since then it has developed without ever having had another referendum on what is now the European Union with its own national anthem, its own flag and its own parliament. European rules and regulations intrude into ever more areas of British life.'

'Polls suggest MPs calling for a referendum enjoy strong public support. A ComRes survey for ITV’s News at Ten found 68 per cent support the idea of a national vote on whether or not the UK should remain a member of the EU.'

The Canadian National Newspaper: Crisis inside European Colonial Union: Britain out?

Thats funny our MP said it would be neck and neck

garinda · 02-11-2011, 09:27

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Thats funny our MP said it would be neck and neck

Most polls are showing there's about 70% of the public who believe there's a need for a referendum to decide this issue.

Except in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

Not sure about there.

Perhaps a politican might come on and tell us.

jaysay · 02-11-2011, 09:57

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Originally Posted by garinda

Most polls are showing there's about 70% of the public who believe there's a need for a referendum to decide this issue.

Except in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

Not sure about there.

Perhaps a politican might come on and tell us.

Is that another name for Westminster Rindi

Acrylic-bob · 02-11-2011, 13:25

I suppose that it was always an unrealistic expectation to believe that Graham would vote in any other way than the way his party dictated. As others more sage than I have observed, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Can you really imagine Graham giving up the enormous amounts of fun to be had by being a whip? Can you imagine him having the temerity to say to the party "Fine, deselect me if you wish, my constituents come first". Call me a cynic, but I can't.

I cannot begin to hazard a guess why the Government and the opposition are united in wishing to keep the people of this once proud country bound to the autocratic dictat of a faceless, unaccountable, unelected bureaucracy. Can it be that, like the gracious Lords Kinnock, Mandelson, Patton and Ashton (Yes, I know she's a woman) they all seek a first class ticket for the Euro Gravy train in their personal political hereafter? Well, good luck to them. But I have the feeling that they had better be quick about making their reservations because it is begining to look as though that particular train is going to come off the rails in spectacular fashion a good deal sooner than anyone expected.

Acrylic-bob · 02-11-2011, 13:30

For anyone interested, I voted "no" in Rindys Poll and "out" in 1975. But then you probably all guessed that.

Acrylic-bob · 02-11-2011, 16:33

Poor unworldly Graham, opens his keyboard and puts his size nine right in it.....

(26-10-2011, 07:47. post No. 101 "Today's EU question: how would you vote? ")
"I raise my concerns with Ed and his team particulalry(sic) on the issue he has raised, migrant labour. It is far more effective to be inside the tent looking out and than outside the tent looking in. A foolish hero for (a) day, irrelevant thereafter."

So spare us the burning martyr bit Graham and the evasion and equivocation. The fact is you sold us out. The people you were born and brought up among, who placed their trust in you to represent their views in Parliament, because they thought that you were a decent guy who had their interests at heart, you sold us out to the ohh so 'principled' and decidedly 'un-shabby' Ed Milliband. Dear God! I wonder what your price was? Hope you made sure you got it in writing. I also wonder if your new best mate will put himself out to find you another seat after the next election? You know what they say, Graham; never trust the word of a politician.

jaysay · 02-11-2011, 18:15

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Poor unworldly Graham, opens his keyboard and puts his size nine right in it.....

(26-10-2011, 07:47. post No. 101 "Today's EU question: how would you vote? ")
"I raise my concerns with Ed and his team particulalry(sic) on the issue he has raised, migrant labour. It is far more effective to be inside the tent looking out and than outside the tent looking in. A foolish hero for (a) day, irrelevant thereafter."

So spare us the burning martyr bit Graham and the evasion and equivocation. The fact is you sold us out. The people you were born and brought up among, who placed their trust in you to represent their views in Parliament, because they thought that you were a decent guy who had their interests at heart, you sold us out to the ohh so 'principled' and decidedly 'un-shabby' Ed Milliband. Dear God! I wonder what your price was? Hope you made sure you got it in writing. I also wonder if your new best mate will put himself out to find you another seat after the next election? You know what they say, Graham; never trust the word of a politician.

We don't now Bob

Margaret Pilkington · 02-11-2011, 20:05

In a word 'No'....he didn't make the right choice.....what is more, I think that someday he might regret his choice.

The politicians would like us all to believe that we cannot survive if we left the EU(scare tactics).......that jobs would be lost. Speak to the people at Bombardier in Derby and see what they think.......being part of that great trading market didn't do much for their jobs.

And as for that toady Nick Clegg and his tirade against those who think we should pull out of the EU.......he was an MEP so he is banned from doing anything other than promoting the EU in a positive light...regardless of what he really thinks of it. Anyway, I guess when his time in British politics comes to a close he will be looking to jump on the lucrative gravy train that is the EU.

cashman · 02-11-2011, 22:45

Seems the cats got his tongue.

been online tonight.

jaysay · 03-11-2011, 09:01

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

In a word 'No'....he didn't make the right choice.....what is more, I think that someday he might regret his choice.

The politicians would like us all to believe that we cannot survive if we left the EU(scare tactics).......that jobs would be lost. Speak to the people at Bombardier in Derby and see what they think.......being part of that great trading market didn't do much for their jobs.

And as for that toady Nick Clegg and his tirade against those who think we should pull out of the EU.......he was an MEP so he is banned from doing anything other than promoting the EU in a positive light...regardless of what he really thinks of it. Anyway, I guess when his time in British politics comes to a close he will be looking to jump on the lucrative gravy train that is the EU.

He wouldn't do that would he Margaret, politicians don't do that,

do they

jaysay · 03-11-2011, 09:03

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Originally Posted by cashman

Seems the cats got his tongue.

been online tonight.

Probably took another look at the straw poll, and then went for a drink to drown his sorrows

garinda · 03-11-2011, 09:37

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Probably took another look at the straw poll, and then went for a drink to drown his sorrows

Ignore questions or not, it's not going away.

At least until there's a satisfactory answer.

As to why Graham publicly stated on here, that he had no problem with a referendum, as it would 'settle the issue democratically', then two weeks later voted against it, and denied us this right.

I'm sure this is of no great concern to him.

Even though, as the poll shows, it is to his constituents.

He might even be laughing about it, whilst quaffing champagne, at some swanky London do, with the party elite.

jaysay · 03-11-2011, 09:40

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Originally Posted by garinda

Ignore questions or not, it's not going away.

At least until there's a satisfactory answer.

As to why Graham publicly stated on here, that he had no problem with a referendum, as it would 'settle the issue democratically', then two weeks later voted against it, and denied us this right.

I'm sure this is of no great concern to him.

Even though, as the poll shows, it is to his constituents.

He might even be laughing about it, whilst quaffing champagne, at some swanky London do, with the party elite.

Ya and sod the real elite, the local electorate