Gun Control - Page 3

jaysay · 23-07-2012, 10:02

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

So you believe that too

Did you know either of them personally?

I don't supposed Kes does but the fact that this atrocity is on the anniversary of the Swedish even holds some water, and that's not a conspiracy either, its a fact

susie123 · 23-07-2012, 10:06

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Well they tried a total ban on handguns in this country over 12 years ago, what good it did I don't know, certainly wouldn't have deterred the criminal, but it did stop genuine shooting enthusiasts from carrying on with the sport

A point I made on the previous thread on this subject, my brother being one of those affected and he had been a hand gun shooter all his adult life.

susie123 · 23-07-2012, 10:10

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Originally Posted by jaysay

I don't supposed Kes does but the fact that this atrocity is on the anniversary of the Swedish even holds some water, and that's not a conspiracy either, its a fact

It was in Norway John but apart from that yes it does seem rather more than a coincidence.

jaysay · 23-07-2012, 10:12

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It was in Norway John but apart from that yes it does seem rather more than a coincidence.

Norway Sweden there all descended from Vikings:There's a fine line between them susie

kestrelx · 23-07-2012, 10:13

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

So you believe that too

Did you know either of them personally?

No I didn't know them!

Another puzzle is this guy Holmes does not seem to have an Internet presence which is unusual for a young man studying science!

MargaretR · 23-07-2012, 10:22

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

No I didn't know them!

Another puzzle is this guy Holmes does not seem to have an Internet presence which is unusual for a young man studying science!

He may be an actor like the people mentioned in this video

kestrelx · 23-07-2012, 10:46

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

He may be an actor like the people mentioned in this video

Well Margaret I don't see the similarities of that woman that the maker of this video claims! I then found another video he made that says David Icke is Richard Branson!

MargaretR · 23-07-2012, 10:49

I agree that some of his claims are outlandish and 'way over the top' (even for me

), but his method of mapping ears has convinced me that SOME of what he reveals is true.

You believe what you feel comfortable with - that is your right.

kestrelx · 23-07-2012, 11:05

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

I agree that some of his claims are outlandish and 'way over the top' (even for me

), but his method of mapping ears has convinced me that SOME of what he reveals is true.

You believe what you feel comfortable with - that is your right.

Well I certainly don't think that Icke and Richard Branson are the same - no way! If I had the will I could take photos of many people who all look similar and then try and bend it so I say they are all the same people acting. Many people do look the same and this guy is simply stretching his imagination to make them into dopplegangers!

Is this guy making these vids "paranoid dellusional"? That is he is deluded that people are acting and conspiring in a way that they are not...

gynn · 23-07-2012, 11:18

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Originally Posted by susie123

Why ask Eric? What's your take on the matter? Do you really think "preventing the Colorado shootings from happening again" is realistic? Dream on!

errr....I think you'll find it was me who STARTED this thread by giving my take on the matter. We've tightened the gun laws in this country, and while we haven't prevented the occasional incident, we have at least ensured that it is kept to a minimum.

Of course the Colorado shootings will happen again, but that shouldn't stop us from looking for ways to make it as hard as possible for these idiots to build up an arsenal of arms.

susie123 · 23-07-2012, 11:56

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So how do you propose preventing the Colorado shootings from happening again, Eric? Shrug your shoulders and say "Oh well, boys will be boys"?

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errr....I think you'll find it was me who STARTED this thread by giving my take on the matter. We've tightened the gun laws in this country, and while we haven't prevented the occasional incident, we have at least ensured that it is kept to a minimum.

Of course the Colorado shootings will happen again, but that shouldn't stop us from looking for ways to make it as hard as possible for these idiots to build up an arsenal of arms.

Thank you... I do know that you started this thread, I have been reading from the beginning. You seemed to be asking Eric if he had concrete proposals to deal with this as he is a gun owner and I just wondered if you also had any more ideas that you wanted to put forward as you were not very specific in your first post.

Eric · 23-07-2012, 14:44

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Originally Posted by gynn

So how do you propose preventing the Colorado shootings from happening again, Eric? Shrug your shoulders and say "Oh well, boys will be boys"?

Maybe more like "nut bars and whack jobs will be what they are". Maybe one should look at problems other than guns. But, I do agree that certain kinds of guns ... assault rifles and hand guns come to mind ... should be kept out of the hands of the public. Oh, and you can't prevent mass shootings. It's a fact of modern life, and not only in the US. Norway doesn't seem to have the cowboy mentality, but they had an even worse event. And the death toll at Dunblane was worse if I remember correctly.

Burningman · 23-07-2012, 16:11

Your nuts if you want to relax gun laws in the UK.
I live in Oakland. CA, and we had 105 gun homicides last year... just in our city!
9000 Murders by Gun in US; 39 in UK
It is WAY out of control in the US, and the gun lobby are a powerful lever on politicians. The second amendment was written 250 years ago and strangles any progress on this tragic mess.

susie123 · 23-07-2012, 16:24

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Your nuts if you want to relax gun laws in the UK.

I don't think anyone is suggesting going down that route...

susie123 · 23-07-2012, 16:49

1987 Hungerford 16 deaths
1996 Dunblane 17 deaths, 16 of them children, making this a more emotional subject
2010 Cumbria 12 deaths

In all three cases the gunman committed suicide. These crimes span a period of 25 years. Dr Harold Shipman killed over 200 people over his working life of 20 odd years and killed himself in prison. Has anyone any good ideas as to how we could prevent or legislate for such occurrences??

Breivik in Norway shot and killed 69 people where gun laws appear to be very stringent.

Sensible article here about gun laws, especially the part about teaching children to shoot.
Shotguns aren't the problem – criminals are - Telegraph