Small Beer?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Really...you have read into the post something which isn't there. People see what they want to see....if you feel outraged by a comment then you will see something sharp even if the poster was NOT intending the response to be sharp...it is your own feelings that cause you to interpret things in this way.
The Internet is a very difficult medium to get across subtle nuances......when the question was asked......was the beer free?
Retlaw came back with a comment which I replied to.
If something is being sold then that is a commercial venture.......what was not clear in either the article in the paper or in the thread, was HOW the venture came about, and How it was being managed.....if you read my response to Dusty Mears in her enlightening thread which documents ALL those things very clearly then you can see that much of this information was missing.
I do not know how you make decisions on things......I make decisions on the information to hand.....if all the information is not there, or the information is skewed(for whatever reason)then it is fair to say that decision made will also be inaccurate.

My REAL concern was that this was an enterprise being undertaken by a large brewer to maximise profits by using the names and images of the men who fought in this conflict, and donating little to the actual cause.
If that makes me contradictory....or seemingly to 'gob off' rubbish.....or be a 'scrimshanker'.....which, by the way is a naval term for someone who shirks their duty(which to anyone who knows me, is ludicrous), then so be it.
As I said in the other thread....had the full information been available then I would have made NO response, other than to say 'well done'......and wish them every success.
Now, that is it from me. I feel I have adequately and accurately outlined my opinion and thoughts on this subject.

[Michael1954]

And I am entitled to my opinion. This is a thread that should have quietly died down, especially after Dusty Mears' thread. Did she feel the need to write the thread because she didn't think her efforts were being disrespected or discredited?

[keith higson]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

Suggest you read the full story of the Pals Ale -
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ale-67363.html

IU have read the story but am still of the opinion that nothing untoward was said about Retlaw or any of his family. Amen

[Michael1954]

Originally Posted by keith higson

IU have read the story but am still of the opinion that nothing untoward was said about Retlaw or any of his family. Amen

Unless I'm missing something, I don't recollect that anything untoward was said about Retlaw and his family. It was more about the rather tasty commemorative ale.

[RainbowSix]

Having just read this thread, I cannot see anything negative being said about the venture or the efforts of those involved.

IMO Dusty & Walter need to calm down and not take offense at everything people say, also to allow people to say stuff - after all that is what the pals fought for - the right to do so. (Dare I remind Retlaw that he too has posted derogatory comments about others before - pot-kettle-black.)

I do agree that it is a commercial venture if a brewery is involved, even if profits go to a charity.

What I would ask though, is where the heck I in Accy can go and buy some of this beer?
I am afraid that a walk back from the house of commons in Londinium or the West Minster would be a walk too far for me.

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by RainbowSix

I do agree that it is a commercial venture if a brewery is involved, even if profits go to a charity.

Every one keeps rabbiting on about a commercial venture because a brewery is involved.
What the ell are we supposed to to brew it ourselves in a bucket in the back yard. We are talking about 100's of bottles and the glass makers don't work for nowt either.
The labels were done at cost by Caths friend in aid of the Pals, all the pictures on them are from my collection.
Them at the brewery have to make some profit to stay in buisness. My father always told me. "Them asul work fur nowt ull steal, watch em close".
I still don't get why we should have to explain every detail about the Pals projects to all and sundry. Why no comments on the banner on Broadway, Cath and I got our heads together about it 2 years ago, the pictures are from mine and Bills collections.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by RainbowSix

What I would ask though, is where the heck I in Accy can go and buy some of this beer?
I am afraid that a walk back from the house of commons in Londinium or the West Minster would be a walk too far for me.

The Forts Arms in Clayton has been selling them for ages if you draw a blank there Rainbow6 the Irwell Valley will tell you local stockists or get this'll up there they brew a great range of real ales on draught and well worth a trip.

[Margaret Pilkington]

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I still don't get why we should have to explain every detail about the Pals projects to all and sundry. Why no comments on the banner on Broadway, Cath and I got our heads together about it 2 years ago, the pictures are from mine and Bills collections.

I said I had posted my last to this thread....but if you really want to know the answer to your question.....then here goes.
Because Retlaw, the Devil is in the detail....and the Observer must have thought so as they gave very sparse mention to the volunteers...preferring to base the story around a great grandfather of our local MP......when it should all have been about how the enterprise came about....it should have been more about the input of the volunteers, about what they were doing to make such a success of the venture....it is they who should be lauded.....for keeping the legend alive.

I don't know how you make decisions.....surely from the information you have at hand...if that information is incomplete, skewed or biased, then the decisions you make about a subject will be wrong.

I am sure the banner on Broadway has been mentioned more than once, and I know for sure that I put pictures of the banner on here.
When I have been out and about in town I have seen people admiring it, taking pictures of it and complimenting it.......you might not have seen this or heard it, .....you KNOW that you have brought these men to life and to the attention of the town......and that in itself is your reward.

Now that I have said that I am done.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by RainbowSix

What I would ask though, is where the heck I in Accy can go and buy some of this beer?.

The Information Desk in the Town Hall has them R6
I got two packs this morning, had to use the old DP charm on the young lady on the desk because it was outside of licencing hours but got them.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

The Information Desk in the Town Hall has them R6
I got two packs this morning, had to use the old DP charm on the young lady on the desk because it was outside of licencing hours but got them.

Dont understand that "D" thought licensing hours were a thing of the past?

[Neil]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

The Information Desk in the Town Hall has them R6
I got two packs this morning, had to use the old DP charm on the young lady on the desk because it was outside of licencing hours but got them.

Nice of you that, someone does you a favour and you blow them up on a public forum!

[Michael1954]

Originally Posted by Neil

Nice of you that, someone does you a favour and you blow them up on a public forum!

I don't get this. Has DtheP47 done something wrong?

[RainbowSix]

DP, how much was the beer then?

And have you drunk 8t yet? was it any good?

[RainbowSix]

By the way Retlaw & family, whilst you may be getting your knickers in a twist over what the rest of us think is nothing, what this & t'other thread have done is advertise the small beer that's been produced & where it can be obtained from.

So there has been & will be a few more sales of it supporting the pals fund.

Have some consolation in that old fella.

[shillelagh]

there is a stall selling it outside the town hall on the corner across from the tank and jeep today ... dusty is there selling it .. they've been busy .. had to send out for more ale ...