Labour Leadership Contest

[JCB]

Originally Posted by accyman

im beginning to sound like dear old jaysay but without the tory love lol

Jaysay would be having a field day on here today .

Perhaps a return to traditional Labour values will encourage some voters , like me , who didn't vote in the last election to start voting Labour again .

[accyman]

Originally Posted by JCB

Jaysay would be having a field day on here today .

Perhaps a return to traditional Labour values will encourage some voters , like me , who didn't vote in the last election to start voting Labour again .

that to me is labours biggest problem

they arnt labour any more

[cashman]

Originally Posted by JCB

Jaysay would be having a field day on here today .

Perhaps a return to traditional Labour values will encourage some voters , like me , who didn't vote in the last election to start voting Labour again .

Was thinking just the same meself.

[Wynonie Harris]

What; just like Michael Foot did?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

What; just like Michael Foot did?

yer beginning to sound like a closet tory to me mate.

[JCB]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

What; just like Michael Foot did?

I was thinking more of Clement Attlee , Wyn .

[Wynonie Harris]

Personally, I'd say Nye Bevan was a better comparison, Colin. And if I was a closet Tory, I'd have done what the other closet Tories have done, paid me three quid, joined the Labour party and voted for Corbyn as it's a sure way to keep the Tories in power for the next ten years!

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Personally, I'd say Nye Bevan was a better comparison, Colin. And if I was a closet Tory, I'd have done what the other closet Tories have done, paid me three quid, joined the Labour party and voted for Corbyn as it's a sure way to keep the Tories in power for the next ten years!

I think yeh may just be surprised wyn. the public are a strange animal.

[Margaret Pilkington]

The reason that this man has been elected as leader of the Labour party is not because he is good, but that he is the best of a very poor bunch.......which doesn't auger well for how the party will fare in the future.
It worries me that he thinks that Britain can do without any real form of defence and that he sees no reason why those men who went abroad to fight with ISIS against us needed taking out.......and that he has made remarks(according to the newspapers) which could be interpreted as support for terrorist groups.

I don't think he has done the Labour party any real favours. I don't think he has made them more electable
Being passionate is fine if you are passionate about the right things......and I am not sure that he is!
Yes the public are a strange breed...they can love you one week and hate you the next.
Let's wait and see shall we ?

[JCB]

Socialism cannot come overnight, as the product of a week-end revolution.

[hyndburner]

I started this thread a month ago, and have watched the leadership election with interest. I was actually shocked at the cynical way the other three candidates insisted on insulting the electorate with the traditional Westminster Bubble approach of never answering the question with a straight answer. I thought they might have got it that approach belongs in the past.

It got the treatment it deserved. Complete rejection. And Cameron and Co need to take note, because they still follow that line.

Jeremy Corbyn might or might not be the answer. He might or might not have the answers. But at least he brings a fresh approach of honesty and integrity which the other politicians don't have.

The next 6 months make for fascinating viewing!

[cashman]

Also i noted that he never attacked the other candidates, thats a novelty,I also noted the way Straw @ Blair and other big wigs insulted the Labour membership by attacking J.C. the public may be many things, but they know n insult when its yon.

[Margaret Pilkington]

It is a bad ploy to throw insults at your opponents,or to use derogatory terms, and it usually means that you have lost the argument or that you do not understand the fundamentals which are being discussed.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by JCB

Socialism cannot come overnight, as the product of a week-end revolution.

Of course, you are right, it took more than a decade for it to be systematically dismantled.......and to my mind it cannot be rebuilt in the same form again. Too much has happened and many people have lost faith and confidence in not just the Labour party, but politics in general.

[JCB]

Originally Posted by hyndburner

I started this thread a month ago, and have watched the leadership election with interest. I was actually shocked at the cynical way the other three candidates insisted on insulting the electorate with the traditional Westminster Bubble approach of never answering the question with a straight answer. I thought they might have got it that approach belongs in the past.

It got the treatment it deserved. Complete rejection. And Cameron and Co need to take note, because they still follow that line.

Jeremy Corbyn might or might not be the answer. He might or might not have the answers. But at least he brings a fresh approach of honesty and integrity which the other politicians don't have.

The next 6 months make for fascinating viewing!

When Ed Milliband resigned I did a bit of Googling to see which Labour politicians shared my views , and which I thought would make good leaders . One name kept cropping up.....Jeremy Corbyn .

There were some of his views I had problems with.....they have been mentioned on this thread.

About 3 or 4 weeks ago I listened to Any Questions on Radio 4 . Jeremy Corbyn was on the panel , and I was impressed by how he answered the questions , and with his approach to politics .

That got me into watching Youtube , which by then was full of interviews and speeches he had made at the hustings .

I found that he dealt with the "problem issues" in such a way that he put them into context.....something the media don't usually do......and I felt more at ease with what he was saying .

I must say that Trident is not a problem issue for me.....I wish Trident a speedy demise .

As you say he does bring a fresh approach of honesty and integrity . He doesn't go in for personal abuse .

Yes , for those so inclined , the next few months will be interesting .

After the debacles of the 1980s the Labour party learned its lesson the hard way . The trouble was it went to another extreme and ended up being smothered by control freaks .

This leadership election has given its voice back to ordinary Labour Party members.....those who have given their free time , often slogging their guts out to get Labour MPs into Parliament ......only to find that those MPs end up as lobby fodder for those at the top who think they have superior knowledge to those at the bottom .

From what I've learned of him over the last few weeks , Jeremy Corbyn intends to free the Labour party up . It will be messy at times . So what ? That's how democracy usually works sometimes . I think it will lead to a greater participation of the people , and again that will be messy at times , but it's good that people participate and are listened to .

Jeremy Corbyn shouldn't be underestimated . It's less than 3 months since he was nominated as a nobody candidate and today he's won with a record number of votes .

I have a hunch that Jeremy Corbyn will initiate an annual election for the leader , so that each year he will have to put up for re-election.....I'm probably wrong , but it would fit in with his way of thinking .

So am I being starry-eyed about Jeremy Corbyn ? Not really.....I can remember electable Labour leaders and those who went on to be Prime Minister.....Harold Wilson , Jim Callaghan , Tony Blair , Gordon Brown......that short litany removes any illusions I may be tempted to have about Labour leaders , but above all about the Labour Prime Ministers post Clement Attlee .

But give the man a chance .