Corona Virus

cashman · 31-01-2020, 08:57

i just heard two people from same family in britain have this horrible virus, hope they recover, but what amazes me, is the fact the government will not name them , cos of Patient Confidentiality, this to me is crazy in these circumstances,the point to me is, if they name them, then anyone who has had contact, is very likely to go for a test? surely? also if they are elderly then theres a fair chance they cannot remember everyone they have been in touch with. to me this Patient Confidentiality, in this instance puts the public at risk. what do you think?

taddy · 31-01-2020, 09:50

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Originally Posted by cashman

i just heard two people from same family in britain have this horrible virus, hope they recover, but what amazes me, is the fact the government will not name them , cos of Patient Confidentiality, this to me is crazy in these circumstances,the point to me is, if they name them, then anyone who has had contact, is very likely to go for a test? surely? also if they are elderly then theres a fair chance they cannot remember everyone they have been in touch with. to me this Patient Confidentiality, in this instance puts the public at risk. what do you think?

In rare instances like this I can only agree with what you say but the downside could be public panic and a rush on A.E. departments by people who have cough, sore thoat etc.

Margaret Pilkington · 31-01-2020, 11:37

Cashy, there will be a team who are very used to dealing with contact tracing....so it really is not necessary to publish the names or locations of these people.
Ask yourself if it were members of your family, would you like their names published?

Everyone regardless ,should be taking precautions at this time of year(flu season)
My own precautions are these:-
1) Wear gloves when you are out and about....touching surfaces that other people have touched when they have sneezed into their hands, is a fine way of picking up viruses.
Viruses can live on hard surfaces for more than 24 hours.
2) wash your hands before you eat....always. This is more effective than using antibacterial gel(this gel may be ineffective in killing viruses unles they are heavy on the alcohol).
3) steer clear of young children....they are good carriers of bugs and viruses.
4) if you have a cold /flu stay home.....don't spread the virus....use paper hankies and dispose of them sensibly....wash your hands frequently so that whatever you touch does not become contaminated with the virus.

The media are whipping up a frenzy about this issue.
If you look at the population of China and try to put those who are infected and those who have died into a percentage of the population....it is infinitesimal.
That is not to say we have to be cavalier.
They keep telling us that there is no CURE for this....but then there is no cure for the common cold or for flu...both are treated symptomatically.

cashman · 31-01-2020, 11:54

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Cashy, there will be a team who are very used to dealing with contact tracing....so it really is not necessary to publish the names or locations of these people.
Ask yourself if it were members of your family, would you like their names published?

Everyone regardless ,should be taking precautions at this time of year(flu season)
My own precautions are these:-
1) Wear gloves when you are out and about....touching surfaces that other people have touched when they have sneezed into their hands, is a fine way of picking up viruses.
Viruses can live on hard surfaces for more than 24 hours.
2) wash your hands before you eat....always. This is more effective than using antibacterial gel(this gel may be ineffective in killing viruses unles they are heavy on the alcohol).
3) steer clear of young children....they are good carriers of bugs and viruses.
4) if you have a cold /flu stay home.....don't spread the virus....use paper hankies and dispose of them sensibly....wash your hands frequently so that whatever you touch does not become contaminated with the virus.

The media are whipping up a frenzy about this issue.
If you look at the population of China and try to put those who are infected and those who have died into a percentage of the population....it is infinitesimal.
That is not to say we have to be cavalier.
They keep telling us that there is no CURE for this....but then there is no cure for the common cold or for flu...both are treated symptomatically.

To be perfectly honest if we were unfortunate enough to be involved and it was members of my family, i would not mind at all, safety of people comes first in my book.

Exile on Spencer St · 31-01-2020, 12:32

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Originally Posted by cashman

To be perfectly honest if we were unfortunate enough to be involved and it was members of my family, i would not mind at all, safety of people comes first in my book.

Trouble is, would any medics be able to reach you and your family through the throng of media vultures that would be camped outside your front door?

Margaret Pilkington · 31-01-2020, 12:47

I can understand that you are concerned about safety Cashy, but the professionals are also concerned in protecting not just the general public, but also the two people who are diagnosed with the virus.
The two people will be treated and quarantined, the contacts will be sought and likewise, they will be looked after and very likely put into quarantine to protect the public.

cashman · 31-01-2020, 13:16

i wonder cos if that was me then i could defo not remember who i have been in touch with for the last 2 weeks, not a hope in hell.

Margaret Pilkington · 31-01-2020, 13:27

These tracers are skilled in getting information....and they will not rely on the two people who are currently sick....they will look at how they travelled, they will have lists from airlines of who was on the flight, they will put out requests for people who are likely to have come into contact with them on trains, or in the hotel....and to be fair if the names were published, the people who may have been in contact with them on a train or a bus would not know who they were....how often do we give our personal details to a fellow traveller on a bus or train.
The Health teams are just as keen to prevent an escalation of the spread of this virus as you are to stay safe.

The situation is serious, but it needs to be put into perspective...and right now it is forcing the news of Brexit out of news bulletins(to a degree) and that pleases the mainstream media, who have had absolutely nothing positive to say about it from the outset....somfornthem this is a win.

cashman · 31-01-2020, 14:59

Brexit will never be out of the news, the media will see to that, today means not much, the next 12 months they will play and bitch like hell about how the deal is going.

Jimmy Clitheroe · 31-01-2020, 20:04

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Originally Posted by cashman

i just heard two people from same family in britain have this horrible virus, hope they recover, but what amazes me, is the fact the government will not name them , cos of Patient Confidentiality, this to me is crazy in these circumstances,the point to me is, if they name them, then anyone who has had contact, is very likely to go for a test? surely? also if they are elderly then theres a fair chance they cannot remember everyone they have been in touch with. to me this Patient Confidentiality, in this instance puts the public at risk. what do you think?

I think we need to leave it in the hands of the authorities. Involving the public would only complicate matters and may even endanger innocent people. I recall when a mob went on the rampage down in Portsmouth after some paedophile and attacked the home of a paediatrician. Could see a mob burning the poor folk's house - there are that many idiots about these days.

DaveinGermany · 01-02-2020, 15:35

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Originally Posted by cashman

i just heard two people from same family in britain have this horrible virus,

Just a side note to that, perhaps despite being in UK they are of foreign extraction? Just think how that would also play out in the papers. I admittedly don't see or hear much British news coverage except what I read daily online & have seen no mention of this, where did you get it from Cashy? Genuine question.

cashman · 01-02-2020, 16:23

was on the news here dave never said they were foreign though.

DaveinGermany · 01-02-2020, 17:19

Not saying they are, but a lot of media outlets don't mention (aren't allowed) peoples ethnicity in case of being slated as "Ist", unless of course it's a white male then they're fair game.

Margaret Pilkington · 01-02-2020, 19:24

Yes...they are Chinese..one is a student studying at York University the other is a family member visiting form China

DaveinGermany · 01-02-2020, 19:41

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Yes...they are Chinese..one is a student studying at York University the other is a family member visiting form China

Bingo, now if the majority of press had highlighted this the lefterists & sjw's would've been hopping up & down going apopleptic screaming racist & nazi reporters picking on some poor Chinky.