Suella Braverman

[taddy]

[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1275508]They are replacing those who voted for Brexit by remainers.

How can David Cameron take up a cabinet position when he is not a currently elected MP?
He was a useless PM and he will be a useless foreign secretary.
Has Rishi got spit for brains?
It is looking like he has a death wish

Good for you Marge, you always say it as it is, please carry on doing so.

[taddy]

[QUOTE=accybeme;1275507]F*** Sunak, bring back Boris

I cannot agree with the F*** Sunak but I totally agree with the the rest of the sentence.

[accybeme]

looks like who ever wins the next election it's going to be a slow and determined return to european union. the 2019 referendum which both labour & conservatives said they would honour the result, which ever way the result went, both parties lied, we never got anything like what we voted for, freedom from european court of law, freedom to our boundaries, sunak is a snake his days are numbered

[ferret man]

Reform uk

[Margaret Pilkington]

So Voting changes nothing. It doesn’t matter who you vote for….because the politicians are serviced by civil servants who do their level best to thwart whatever government wants to do…well, that is unless it fits THEIR agenda.
There is no impartiality in these civil servants….and they are not elected by us.

If these civil servants want us back in the EU , then they will do their level best to see that this is what happens.

The mandarins in Westminster never wanted us to leave anyway because it means they have to do some work.
Had we stayed in the EU then all the civics servants have to do is follow the directives.

[MoreJoe]

Watching this play out from a distance (USA) I am reminded of the "Yes Minister" TV series but without the humor and with less that half of the intelligence.

-Joe

[Exile on Spencer St]

Originally Posted by MoreJoe

Watching this play out from a distance (USA) I am reminded of the "Yes Minister" TV series but without the humor and with less that half of the intelligence.

-Joe

Turns out that show wasn’t a comedy, it was a documentary.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by ferret man

Reform uk

i would love reform to get in but theres more chance of being struck by Lightening.theres more chance of me getting elected,i will not vote at all next time.in fact she has more balls than SUNAK.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Cashy voting for Reform will give Keir Starmer the keys to number ten.
It should not be so but that is the reality of things.
The only way for this not to happen is for them to bring in Proportional Representation, but I fear this would be beyond the scope of many voters understanding.

The other thing that may deter some voters is the need to take photographic ID to the polling station to be able to vote.

This was brought in to deter voter fraud, but it ignores the fact that most voter fraud is carried out on postal votes.

Providing photographic ID puts me off. I know…I know!
If I have the voting notification card with my address on it…then that should be enough.
I have yet to see anyone challenge someone in a burka to reveal their face so that their ID can be checked. That may sound racist, but it isn’t…it is just saying there isn’t a level playing field.

[cashman]

am well awhere of that i said as much. but i refuse to vote for SUNAK so i will not vote at all.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Cashy, I fully understand that.
I said when Sunak was made PM, he was a sneak and a snake…a back stabber who was not to be trusted.
He has proved this to be true.
He is a hollow politician who has given us only sound bites without any action.
We have had enough of these useless politicians who can talk the talk but not walk the walk.

I think I will find it very difficult to put my x against any name that is put forward…but then again this leaves us at risk of a Labour government.

[taddy]

Originally Posted by cashman

am well awhere of that i said as much. but i refuse to vote for SUNAK so i will not vote at all.

Cashy, I presume that you are a similar age to me and just saying that you will not vote goes against all the principles and advise that my parents (and) probably yours as well, taught me, the right of everyone in this fantastic country of ours to be able to put our views known and elect a government that the populace really want. if you do not vote then your views do not not count.
and you do not have the right to criticize other people who take the effort to cast their vote whilst you just sit on your A---, and press a few buttons on your keyboard.

[accybeme]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Cashy voting for Reform will give Keir Starmer the keys to number ten.
It should not be so but that is the reality of things.
The only way for this not to happen is for them to bring in Proportional Representation, but I fear this would be beyond the scope of many voters understanding.

The other thing that may deter some voters is the need to take photographic ID to the polling station to be able to vote.

This was brought in to deter voter fraud, but it ignores the fact that most voter fraud is carried out on postal votes.

Providing photographic ID puts me off. I know…I know!
If I have the voting notification card with my address on it…then that should be enough.
I have yet to see anyone challenge someone in a burka to reveal their face so that their ID can be checked. That may sound racist, but it isn’t…it is just saying there isn’t a level playing field.

photographic id would disqualify many older people from voting simply because if the no longer drive a car, no longer want to go on holiday abroad
they will have no passport or drivers licence and so no photo id

[ferret man]

Originally Posted by cashman

i would love reform to get in but theres more chance of being struck by Lightening.theres more chance of me getting elected,i will not vote at all next time.in fact she has more balls than SUNAK.

Cashy give the lightening a chance

[Exile on Spencer St]

Cashy,
Not voting for Reform because they’ve no chance of winning is like not supporting Stanley because they’ll never win the Cup.
If a party represents your own ethos and views more than any other, why would you not show you at least agree with them?
Personally I find the SDP’s manifesto(s) the most sensible on most things but they seem incapable of gaining any publicity.
As to those who think the world will be better under Proportional Representation, if you recall we had a referendum on this and voted against it, and there is probably a bigger chance of a woke coalition than one made up of common-sense parties.