Couldnt agree more Mr Kipax, John played his football the same way he manages, with passion, we need some heart in football and a lot less moaning. When cur alex starts on refs its his passion for the game and yes he has been sent off this year. I dont think he should be held as an example to the young he's a football manager and Im sure his primary school kids dont go to the games, so in my opinion I say get off his back and let him continue to bring success to ASFC.