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Old 15-12-2005, 15:53   #61
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Re: Reason for poor gates?
I'm not sure whether the admission cost is a major factor contributing to the low home gates but I don't think Burnley will help this weekend. They are having a 'Christmas Cracker' versus Watford. Adult admissions £10.00, concessions £5.00. It won't tempt me but will it persuade people to watch The Clarets as opposed to Stanley?
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As I Don't live in Accrington any more I don't feel able to respond to the stated question but I do try to make as many games as I can. As to recruting more fans why is it that on a Sat afternoon if you look outside the Superbowl or shopping centre there are loads of young adults Male/Female Asian/White, surely the club should be targeting these people to get them involved and giving the next generation of supporters a goal, as they are going to be the ones that carry and support the club in the future.



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Big article on back page of Observer.
As well as rallying cry from Eric, there are quotes from this thread, with some reasons we gave here on Accy Web.
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Surely the main reason is that the catchement area is minute, there is a premiership and a championship team within 5 miles, both of whom are suffering falling gates, and a general amount of apathy in general.

I am a regular down there but when I ask anyone if they are going it's either I'm going Ewood/Turf or I'm off down pub to watch dodgy channel showing Man U/Liverpool/Chelski/Arse.

The only thing I can think of to increase the attendance is continuet he form we are in and they will end up in the crowd as at the end of th=it all everyone wants to be associated with a winner!

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Quote:-if vitty is to do a piece for the Observer it needs to focus on not why the gates are so low, (we’ve had enough inquests on here)


You are dead right, Doug. I can see the negative headlines already, as most journalists go for the cheap "shock/horror" approach. What on earth does Garinda mean by "pm" - how can we get hold of this journo bloke?

Pm= personal message, it's not rocket science. I didn't ask him to write anything, just alerted him to this thread because he's very often in general chat thread asking for stories. I thought it could be a good way on doing a rousing piece away from the sports section, and hopefully alert more Accringtonians to the shame of the failing gates whilst in our attempt at re-entering the league.

Was trying to help, but because of some of the prima donna quops, and nasty comments with the karma reductions, I'll leave you to it. Sorry if I trod on anyones dainty little toes. Di-dums, and good luck.
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Blackburn Rovers spend a lot of time and effort getting school children to come. They frequently give away tickets to local schools knowing that if they can get the kids hooked, pester power will force the parents to bring them again and again. They send players along to give out prizes at prize day and for competitions and they will always support a local good cause i.e. signed shirts etc.
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Re: Reason for poor gates?
Although I would agree that it is a shame that the gate is low at this time I think that making suggestions that appears to target the population it in a manner that puts shame on the people of Accrington is a little strong. Publicity is the key too many a door and many successful clubs promote themselves far beyond the pitch. The Accrington Stanley of today stands in the shadow of a fascinating past that holds so many ups and downs, tremendous highs and giant killing lows from which we can all learn the odd lesson and like so many other areas of life we neglect our past and look only towards tomorrow and the hopes that it brings, yet the club as so much to offer local kids clubs, schools and armature associations, all that’s needed is foresight and a little commitment from those in a position to spend a few hours with those groups that would benefit from history tours around the clubs past, groups of school kids attending games as part of there own physical sports activity or education will promote future interest that will open the doors to a host of supporters of tomorrow. The same might be derived from a positive televised publicity promotion that builds on what the club as achieved this year and the future plans for this historic and future league club. The past is full of positives yet we prefer to concentrate on the negatives of the day, even when the clubs is sailing high there’s still those niggards that focus on the obvious negatives. Get them young, infuse them with pride and fill the ground, sit around doing now’t and it will sink before our eye’s. Any written or televised stories about this fantastic club must be positive and full on, Talk it up and paint the whole of Lancashire and that crappy world beyond Red and White.
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Pm= personal message, it's not rocket science. I didn't ask him to write anything, just alerted him to this thread because he's very often in general chat thread asking for stories. I thought it could be a good way on doing a rousing piece away from the sports section, and hopefully alert more Accringtonians to the shame of the failing gates whilst in our attempt at re-entering the league.

Was trying to help, but because of some of the prima donna quops, and nasty comments with the karma reductions, I'll leave you to it. Sorry if I trod on anyones dainty little toes. Di-dums, and good luck.
I don’t think anybody doubts your good intentions Rindy, but please think on that not everyone is up to speed on the keyboard or with the terminology of the forum. I still come up against the odd term or abbreviation I don’t understand.
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Blackburn Rovers spend a lot of time and effort getting school children to come. They frequently give away tickets to local schools knowing that if they can get the kids hooked, pester power will force the parents to bring them again and again. They send players along to give out prizes at prize day and for competitions and they will always support a local good cause i.e. signed shirts etc.
...which leads to the obvious question - why should Blackburn and Burnley be permitted to promote themselves in Hyndburn schools? Neither of these clubs are based in Hyndburn and they both have quite enough of the limelight in East Lancashire already. Who gives permission for this? Is it the council? If so, isn't it time they put a stop to it?
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Drum.........Brings more than it keeps away(if any really stay away just for the drum?)

Many people have talked a lot of sense on here..many have talked from the heart of a true stanley fan. We have a good hardcore base of fans that will grow slowly. We need to attract the casuals, burnley and blackburn fans that we have lost over the last 40yrs, people just looking for good entertainment on a saturday ETC,ETC

FIRST we need to attract them.... Then we need to KEEP them... HOW ????

Many people I dragged along last year to a few games have not come this year AT ALL so far.. They all quote £12 as the reason... These people can all afford it no problem...... It is the mental block of so many people, put the price up and straight away they ask WHY ??....WHAT DO I GET FOR MY EXTRA £2 ??

So if we get them there and they ask WHAT DO I GET EXTRA FOR MY £2 ? Toilets are the same, stadium is the same(the roof I keep promising them is still missing)Food is worse and dearer, Bar is bigger but still hard to get served at main times,mud is the same, football is great(but I can watch fantastic footy tonight for nowt). So getting them there is NO good if we cant keep e'm.

I am not moaning here just trying to look at it through the eyes of the audience we ALL want so badly to come and join us....

A........... We need to get people there, The best marketing is FREE marketing...that means US, talk and invite them, Vouchers in the press to tempt them,This saturday would have been a fantastic oppourtunity to offer a deal and tempt some. or give the 1,300 fans that pass through the turnstiles a voucher to bring a friend next game at a reduced rate. Be POSITIVE on the back pages of the observer, "Top of the league, havin a laugh" with a clever photo of the crowd havin a laugh.... Telling people off for not supporting ASFC is a bit negative (IMHO). As has already been said, Get into the schools, Regularly with vouchers for free kids with paying adults. By the time the kids have got home some of them and there mates will have got excited about going to a footy match with there mates . Positive press in the front (school visits would be ideal).

The above are mainly free, but all would be wasted if the parents are disgusted by the loo's or the kids mess there shoes and pants up in the mud,etc etc.

So to keep them there we need to do some things....... Toilets need a GOOD coat of paint, and good lighting, and keeping clean. Mud needs sorting, Our own burger bar would be good,Block built with ASFC staff providing GOOD food at the right price, and ASFC takes the profits Burger £1.50 - £2.00, cans 60p hot choc 60p etc.

If we did the above, then REALLY try and get them in, we stand a good chance of keeping a lot of them and building for the future. I even think the roof would wait a bit (but hope not)

The hardest part looks like it is sorted.................. FANTASTIC football
Well done to Eric and team, and Coley and team

We dont need to do too much more and we can really have something Fantastic to offer the CASUALS and keep e'm....


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Quote:-"Blackburn Rovers spend a lot of time and effort getting school children to come. They frequently give away tickets to local schools knowing that if they can get the kids hooked, pester power will force the parents to bring them again and again. They send players along to give out prizes at prize day and for competitions and they will always support a local good cause i.e. signed shirts etc."




A certain Clayton-le moors headmaster was surprised at the poor take-up of tickets for the last Rovers home game! The canny kids preferred to pay to watch the Reds!
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Sorry Redraine if I was a bit pithy about my answer as to what I meant by pn, I was still a bit touchy from the offensive comment someone gave me for my input into this thread via a karma comment. Vitty is the journalist who is a member on here. If you go to the member's list at the top of the page you'll find him under the V's. He did say anyone can contact him, and he's always on the look out for quotes.
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No one will find any parking near the Burnley or Blackburn grounds for less than £2. Take that into account and £12 seems pretty good value.
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<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 width=334 align=center border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Premiership: </TD><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Tottenham have the most expensive seats in England - up to £70.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Championship: </TD><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Leeds were criticised by fans and have seen crowds slump after a price rise this summer - up to £45. </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">League One:</TD><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Tickets to watch Gillingham cost up to £37.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">League Two: </TD><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Up to £20 for tickets at Bristol Rovers. </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Conference:</TD><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Main stand tickets at York City are £16. </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Germany:</TD><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Prices at Bayern Munich range from £15 to £33.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">France:</TD><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Tickets to see champions Lyons a maximum of £40 and minimum of £14.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Spain:</TD><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Tickets at Barcelona start at £30 and climb to £80. </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Holland: </TD><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">£8 to watch a league game at Ajax, where the highest prices are £30.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Italy:</TD><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Juventus prices start at £25, but their most expensive tickets are £120. </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">US: </TD><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">See DC United v MetroStars in Washington at the Socctoberfest and get two free beers, a free beer glass, and executive suite admission for £25.

Did some google reserch on parking, forget it in the Major Citys cheapest (secure) parking was Manchester at 10 quid.


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Did a google on Cheapest Ticket prices and in the Premier its Wigan who start at18 but have sold out every game at that price Championship/League1/ League 2 is Rochdale at 11 and they have a consession where 1 adult can bring in 2 under 16s for 2.50 ech.
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It is also £16 to sit and watch kidderminster if your an adult..
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