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panther

10-10-2007 18:01

Homes at ‘pickle works’

Barratt Homes has applied for planning permission to create the new development at the former Peel Fold Mill in Stanhill Road, Ossy. The scheme will see 28 apartments and 31 houses built, some of which will be three storeys high.
The site, which is bounded by the former landfill site at Stanhill Quarry and the green belt at the edge of Oswaldtwistle, is known locally as the pickle factory

i cant think whereabouts thats gonna be:confused::o

WillowTheWhisp

10-10-2007 18:02

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Isn't it what used to be Escorts? Next to the Stanhill Club?

MargaretR

10-10-2007 18:05

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The planning permission was refused recently - Barratts are having a rethink about the height of some of their plans - 3 storeys was deemed 'not in keeping' with adjacent housing
I know this because my son lives nearby
Streetmap.co.uk- search results

WillowTheWhisp

10-10-2007 18:08

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My late husband used to work at that pickle factory.

flashy

10-10-2007 18:25

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my dads fiance lives right next door to the pickle factory, they are all complaining about it up there

panther

10-10-2007 18:25

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oh i know now!!;)

across from the pub!!

BERNADETTE

10-10-2007 18:27

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 480117)

oh i know now!!;)

across from the pub!!

That's it:)

WillowTheWhisp

10-10-2007 19:00

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Three storeys high would look a bit overpowering there.

cashman

10-10-2007 19:44

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 480141)

Three storeys high would look a bit overpowering there.

Barrets dont care,just glad someone does 3 storeys is daft up there.:rolleyes:

MargaretR

10-10-2007 19:48

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I have found pictures of Barretts 3 storeys from their website - dont know which of the two designs (if either) was refused. They do seem to reuse the same designs wherever they build

WillowTheWhisp

10-10-2007 19:55

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Neither of those look particularly inspiring.

mez	10-10-2007 19:57

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oh gosh another blot on the landscape, why oh why..........oh they call it progress to build little boxes

Gayle

10-10-2007 21:57

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Hang on - isn't there a big derelict factory there at the moment? Surely that's an eyesore in itself, plus it's been set on fire at least once that I know of.

Would you rather that stayed there?

WillowTheWhisp

10-10-2007 22:03

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But the derelict factory isn't 3 storys high is it?

panther

11-10-2007 08:49

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be a lovely view though wouldnt it:D looking out from this new building;)

broadhurst7173

11-10-2007 13:18

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i live near there and like gayle said it keeps being set on fire and general vandalism, but im not sure i agree with houses being put up either.

park381

27-10-2007 08:06

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Aye 3 storey not in keeping with the area, one of our local councillors made the same comment about an application to build on the old spring hill club site.
Strange though barnfield construction/HBC in partnership build that multi storey block behind scaitcliffe house, also plan to build apartment blocks in gt harwood.
What about the latest application from Taylor Woodrow Construction ltd relating to an access road to land adjacent to stanhill road :confused:

Seems there is a lack of consistency from HBC planning committee here. :confused:

LESLEY EASTWOOD

12-12-2007 13:51

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As a student in the early 70's I worked at the Escourts Pickle Factory in Stanhill Village. From what I can remember it was more or less opposite the Stanhill Pub. Could this be the site of the development. I've left the area now so I don't know if the factory has been demolished. I remember the Stanhill fete was held in a field behind the factory.

cashman

12-12-2007 14:49

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 480238)

Hang on - isn't there a big derelict factory there at the moment? Surely that's an eyesore in itself, plus it's been set on fire at least once that I know of.

Would you rather that stayed there?

so are you saying, build anything, cos its better than whats there?:confused: if so am surprised at that.:confused:

WillowTheWhisp

12-12-2007 18:19

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It's still there and still derelict but it would be nice to have something a bit more attractive than those proposed 3 story Barret block type things.

Gayle

13-12-2007 09:06

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 503230)

so are you saying, build anything, cos its better than whats there?:confused: if so am surprised at that.:confused:

No, I'm not saying 'anything' would be better but I have to say that I'm confused as to why this is a problem. There is a derelict and dangerous building there which they plan to knock down and they plan to build new houses, which Hyndburn needs. Barratt homes are nice and despite the bad press they got about ten years ago are actually of a high quality and they make them look attractive with trees and lawns.

The objection about three storey homes puzzles me because they still wouldn't be as big as the factory.

cashman

13-12-2007 10:23

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 503466)

Barrat homes high quality?:rofl38:wouldn't let them creosote a hen coit, but thats another story,lol high price for crap maybe, i would imagine 3 storey would be higher than the factory it dont look that high to me:confused:

WillowTheWhisp

13-12-2007 12:21

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The factory looks two storey to me too.

Gayle

13-12-2007 13:28

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Factory ceilings are a lot higher than house ceilings!

yerself

13-12-2007 16:13

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I think it's an ideal place for a panopticon. :D:D:D

WillowTheWhisp

13-12-2007 16:42

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 503528)

Factory ceilings are a lot higher than house ceilings!

Well it didn't seem a lot higher when I went in there, up the steps and into the reception/office area. That would equate with the upstairs of a house.

cashman

13-12-2007 19:24

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 503556)

Well it didn't seem a lot higher when I went in there, up the steps and into the reception/office area. That would equate with the upstairs of a house.

give up willow, i have.:rolleyes:

park381

23-12-2007 16:21

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 480096)

The scheme will see 28 apartments and 31 houses built, some of which will be three storeys high :confused::o

28 apartments, wow, one of our Councillors in the "local press" indicated that Hyndburn was becoming a town full of apartment blocks which was not good for the image of HBC. That was after the planning committee had turned down yet another development of you guessed " apartment blocks" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Not counting the development behind Scaitecliffe towers, but still the developer there is Barnfield in partnership with HBC :D:D

MargaretR

10-01-2008 23:13

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Residents Fight Homes Plan (from Lancashire Telegraph)
The council has withdrawn opposition to Barratts plans.

"The scheme will see 28 apartments and 31 houses built, some of which will be three storeys high.

The site, which is bounded by the former landfill site at Stanhill Quarry and the green belt at the edge of Oswaldtwistle, is known locally as the pickle factory.

The public inquiry and appeal will take place at Hyndburn Council's Scaitcliffe House offices in Ormerod Street, Accrington, on Tuesday, February 12, starting at 10am

park381

11-01-2008 07:24

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 515433)

I think there has been a directive from HM gov to all Planning authorities regarding the refusal of applications which the gov say has reduced the number of houses built over the last 5 years. Why else would HBC planning officers do a 'U' turn. Shall have to find out more information

WillowTheWhisp

11-01-2008 08:17

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Nothing wrong with building more houses - just why do they have to be 3 story?

Gayle

11-01-2008 08:36

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 515469)

Nothing wrong with building more houses - just why do they have to be 3 story?

More houses on the same space of land!

I'm not saying that as a positive because I don't particularly like the idea of a three storey house, but even so, I'm sure that's why the developers do it.

park381

11-01-2008 10:06

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 515475)

More houses on the same space of land!

I'm not saying that as a positive because I don't particularly like the idea of a three storey house, but even so, I'm sure that's why the developers do it.

3 storey means more floor area in the house, and as you say on the same plot of land as a normal 2 storey house, also at not a lot of extra cost to the builder.
My son lives in a new 3 storey house in St Helens, they have finished up having a conservatory built on at the back, to save them keep going up to the 1st floor lounge.

WillowTheWhisp

11-01-2008 11:08

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I've seen some with a garage and utility room on the bottom and then lounge kitchen etc on level one and the bedrooms above that so I suppose it does save on ground space.

park381

11-01-2008 12:18

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Thought I had seen an article regarding the number of new homes built, this may be why HBC have decided not to oppose the appeal by Barratt homes as indicated by HBC's Development Control Officer in the Telegraph

see article
Developer Welcomes Building Regulation (from Lancashire Telegraph)

park381

13-01-2008 15:14

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Have spent a little time searching through HBC's website, in the main the planning section. The initial application by Barretts 11/07/0213 was recommended for acceptance by HBC's Planning Officers, it was turn down by the Planning Committee, HBC will not apose the appeal.

What I have found is posted as a link below, so much for the objections of the villagers

The document is well worth a read, very interesting.

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...pla_report.pdf

park381

28-01-2008 15:08

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The latest report on the subject, looks like its all done and dusted.

Villagers In A Pickle At Plan (from Lancashire Telegraph)

garinda

28-01-2008 18:07

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Originally Posted by park381 (Post 515516)

There were lots of three story houses built in the C18th, as hand-loom weavers cottages, though not in Stanhill.

Personally I can't wait to see the back of the 'pickle factory'. It should never have been passed in the first place, and any housing will be an improvement on that eyesore.

park381

28-01-2008 18:42

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 523142)

I don't disagree with you on that one, but think the residents of stanhill will have a different view on the subject.

garinda

28-01-2008 18:48

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Originally Posted by park381 (Post 523182)

I don't disagree with you on that one, but think the residents of stanhill will have a different view on the subject.

As a former Stanhill resident that is my opinion, though as you say, might not be the opinion of all those johnny come latelys.

park381

29-01-2008 06:50

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 523184)

As a former Stanhill resident that is my opinion, though as you say, might not be the opinion of all those johnny come latelys.

From whats been quoted in the press there are 200 residents that have that opinion

garinda

29-01-2008 08:28

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Originally Posted by park381 (Post 523453)

From whats been quoted in the press there are 200 residents that have that opinion

There wasn't 200 people in the photograph they used in the press, and I didn't see M. Mouse.;)

jaysay

29-01-2008 09:40

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 523142)

Just a point Rindi i.e it should never have been passed in the first place. I actually think that the plans were passed before you were born, I can remembe my late father working on that building before I was in my teens, unless there have been more updates in recent years which I can't remember.

MargaretR

29-01-2008 09:58

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park381 posted this link
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...pla_report.pdf
In it it shows in detail the reasons why the residents object.

The reasons which hold most weight with me are
1- The high density development will increase the population substantially which will overload the mains services - water and sewerage - The sewerage system is already subject to flooding and overflow, and is not due to be replaced for 15 years yet.
2- The development does not make adequate provision for parking by the new residents who will inevitably resort to main road parking which is already causing problems at the present popluation level.

These 2 points have been overshadowed by the '3 storey' argument, but are valid reasons for objection in their own right.

garinda

29-01-2008 10:06

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 523489)

I know. I'm told the brick facade was added in the late fifties, ten years before I arrived.:D

I still think it's an eyesore. As for the planned new houses, I think it is inevitable, though I do totally see the need for them to be in keeping with the village, and not to overshadow the existing cottages, something the 'pickle factory' currently does.

park381

29-01-2008 10:40

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 523492)

The officers of HBC were quoted in the LET as indicating that the land was designated as industrial land and as such there was no control on hours of work, type of work etc. Therefore it would be better to allow the building of houses on the site. All of which in my mind adds up to a veiled threat to the residents of stanhill..... accept the development or have the factory refurbished and suffer the noise etc.

park381

01-02-2008 13:41

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From this weeks Observer, "the planning committee" again turned the Barrett application down. There will now be a public enquiry and the residents will get the chance to speak to the Planninng Inspector at the meeting

nikkival

11-02-2008 20:42

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I found a photo over the weekend from when my grandad used to work at Noels/Estcourts - he had one of the company vans - this is my mum modelling it! We think she was about 19 or 20 in the photo, so its probably from around 1970. Might just bring back a few memories for some of you who worked there or had family working there.

katex

12-02-2008 10:05

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Originally Posted by park381 (Post 515516)

You right Park ... doesn't always mean more rooms, but can give bigger rooms. My friend used to live in cottage type one off Revidge, and now my daughter lives in this type (terraced) which has been modernised. Still not huge frontage width wise, but go in front door, stairs lead up to 2 double bedrooms/bathroom, ground level is large lounge with down to floor window, giving excellent view, and downstairs from this leads to large kitchen with access to outside garden and separate toilet... tis lovely. Course she lives in Dewsbury with lots of hills so lent itself very well to building on slopes. Perhaps this is why proposed in Stanhill.

Think it quite good that residents can see the problems it will cause and hold it up for a while, however, feel Barrets will just 'tweak' their plans to overcome this .. agree better than what is there at the moment, think the Stanhill residents just don't want to share.

park381

12-02-2008 14:28

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 529953)

Course she lives in Dewsbury with lots of hills so lent itself very well to building on slopes. Perhaps this is why proposed in Stanhill.

Though the "pickle factory" was at the top of the hill, fairly level area, I think the reason behind the 3 storey houses are to increase floor space without increasing the building footprint, & to keep within the gov guidelines for houses per hectare :D

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Think it quite good that residents can see the problems it will cause and hold it up for a while, however, feel Barrets will just 'tweak' their plans to overcome this .. agree better than what is there at the moment, think the Stanhill residents just don't want to share.

From what was posted in the LET it would seem that Barretts did not 'tweak' their plans in any way for the second submission to HBC. I think the residents have put a very good case forward, the letters and emails to HBC are excellent, I hope they get a fair hearing at the appeal.

slater_scott

13-02-2008 16:25

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This might be of some interest;

Pickle Factory, Blackburn, 13-02-08 - UK Urban Exploration Forums

State of the pickle factory

Andym

29-02-2008 15:21

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That thread's been removed, you might want a look at this one:

Pickle Factory, Blackburn, 15-02-08 - UK Urban Exploration Forums

katex

19-03-2008 22:36

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Originally Posted by Andym (Post 538444)

That thread's been removed, you might want a look at this one:

Pickle Factory, Blackburn, 15-02-08 - UK Urban Exploration Forums

Looks like it will have to rot for a little while longer Andym :-

Residents win homes battle - News - Accrington Observer

Cannot understand how they describe Stanhill as a picturesque village >>>>>>>>>> runs away from backlash.

park381

21-03-2008 13:50

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 548702)

I think it is great news for the residents of Stanhill, and just shows that Large companies can be stopped in their tracks.

Good on the Planning Inspector for turning Barratt's appeal down :D:D

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