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I notice the tinker is now closed, another pub bites the dust.

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he landlord has taken over the Cross I believe, well if he hasn't yet he is doing

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The pub crawl is getting smaller:(

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do you realise that the only pubs in ossy now are:-
Blackdog
Rose and crown
royal oak
bay horse and then printers:eek:


whats happened to the pubs??
bad landlords thats what!
they are letting any tom, dick and harry run them:rolleyes:

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My god your right

FROM THIS

1. Commercial Hotel, built in 1834
2. Conservative Club, moved to roughly the present site in 1896 when they obtained a lease on the stone building at the rear, which was formerly Mrs Jacksons school (note angle bracket on wall). Pesent building dates from 1927.
3. Greyhound Inn, 45 Market St, Church. Built in the 1850's, with a number of typical victorian features, (note ashlar facade)
4. Rose Bud, 53 Market St, Church. Demolished end of 1960's
5. Musicians Inn, 61 Market St, Church. One of the licensed premises that few can recall. Original building lease 1820 shown on 1848 map, lost it's license between 1906 - 9 remained as a house until at least 1937.
6. Railway Hotel, 63 Market St, Church. A very substantial building erected in the 1850's by a local builder. Closed in the 1970's.
7. Railway Inn, 77 Market St, Church. Original building lease 1852, shown as a beerhouse in 1906, lost it's license prior to WW 1.
8. Royal Arms, 6 Union Rd, Oswaltwistle. This was built just after the turn of the century on the site of the old Thwaites Arms.
9. Fishermans Arms. 7 Union Rd, Oswaldtwistle. On corner of Clayton St, building shown on map of 1848, lost it's license prior to WW 1.
10. The Startled Fox, 17 Union Rd, Oswaldtwistle. A mid 19th Century beerhouse, now Famenco Cafe, lost it's license prior to WW 1.
11. Castle Inn, 23 Union Rd. A substantial three storey building only reduced to it's present state in 1980. (Water shot stone coursing).
12. The Printers Arms, 47 Union Rd. Early 19th century, shown as licensed premises in 1840 rate book. Owned at some by James Simpson, Calico Printers, Foxhill Bank. Story handed down that he paid his workers, when possible, in sovereigns-so that they had to change them in the Printers! Rear is Duncan Square, properties built by the Peel family to house there workers. (Named after Admiral Duncan, a colleague of Nelson's) Later known as The Green when property cleared.
13. Cricketers Arms, 52/54 Union Rd. Site now occupied by Badge Brow Service Station.
14. Carters Arms, 61 Union Rd. Now A second hand shop, note substantial buildings to the rear. Possibly stabling facilities for horses used at Moscow Mill, (or horse drawn tramway that passed down Collier St next to pub?)
15. Skinners Arms, 74 Union Rd, Built 1820's as speculative building by John Barlow, in 1837 shown as a beerhouse, lost it's license in 1905. Now J A Coliiers, Solicitors.
16. Rising Sun, 96/98 Union Rd, Lost it's license in 1903, later converted to shops. Demolished 1970's.
17. Prince of Wales, 97 Union Rd, Original building lease 1846, victim of 1960's clearance scheme, now St Mary's Court.
18. Masons Arms, 110 Union Rd, Formerly a beerhouse, now Wheels garage.
19. Horse Shoe, 111 Union Rd, Built 1851/2, demolished along with Prince of Wales.
20. Foxhill Hotel, 136/138 Union Rd, Built circa 1850.
(No licenced premises ever built between Straits & Tinker & Budget, ??covenants on land to prevent building licensed premises??.
21. Tinker and Budget, 218 Union Rd. Building lease 1820. (Origin of name never explained)
22. Bay Horse, 226 Union Rd. Former posting house.
23. Plane Tree, 236 Union Rd, Beerhouse. Property still standing 1981, now empty shop.
24. Grey Horse, 240/246 Union Rd, Built 1820, lost license 1903, demolished late 1970's.
25. Golden Cross, 251 Union Rd, Public house been on this site from 1780's, Known as Three Crowns in 1848.
26. Rose Bud, 253/254 Union Rd, demolished along with Grey Horse.
27. Old House At Home, 285 Union Rd, Early 19th Century, demolished 1913 to provide site for library.
28. Black Lion, 296 Union Rd, Lost license in 19112. Later became Irish Democratic League, now Royal British Legion.
29. Queens Head, 322/324 Union Rd, now Hothersalls chemist.
30. Miners Arms. 329 Union Rd, Built 1860's beerhouse, now private house.
31. Royal Oak, 334 Union Rd, One of the few licensed premises with date stones incorporated into building (185632. Star Inn, 336 Union Rd, Lost licence in 1903, has had numerous uses since.
32. Rose and Crown, 372 uUnion Rd, Built mid-19th century.
34. Black Dog, 384 Union Rd.Built 1820's

TO THIS

Blackdog
Rose and crown
royal oak
bay horse
printers


RIP to the pub trade.

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ya dont honestly think thats made a big differance Panther? the Pub Trade is dying compounded by the smoking ban,i was speakin to the landlord of the cross axes at great harwood the other week, a decent guy ex RAF his takings are now down 75% since the start of the ban. he said it didn't make much differance initially,until the cold weather started. he also told me the " Brewery" had rung him up accusing him of (buying out) cos his barrelage was down, he had asked them to spend a bit on the space he has out back, to make a suitable area fer smokers,.... they said ok but we want another £2000 per annum rent:( obviously he had to decline.

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Theres also:

The Heys
The Stop & Rest
The Plough

although I admit they are a bit out of the way!

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Some of those in that long list closed due to actions of The Temperance Movement
..that was another load of 'do gooders' :rolleyes:

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Those are just the ones on Union Road, not the whole of Ossy.

As Lolly pointed out, there's The Heys, The Plough and The Stop and Rest.

There's also The Hare and Hounds on Blackburn Road, The Brewers, Thwaites Road
The White Bull on New Lane.

They are not on the main 'crawl' though, are they? That crawl is getting smaller. :(

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Got to disagree there! The landlords are fighting an uphill battle. End of the day, the only money to be made in the pub trade is either managed houses (where the landlord gets a wage) or freehold

Dont think I have set foot in a pub since the smoking ban, and sure i'm not in the only one

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It saddens me to see all these pubs shutting. The ones that do food seem to be ok for the time being but our local boozers are going the same way as the post offices, they will be a thing of the past soon.:(

It's funny how all this was never a big issue before the smoking ban.

Labour were always the party for the working man, or so they say.

You can't get more working class than having a pint and a fag in your local at the end of a busy day at work. They didn't do the working man any favours with this smoking ban, did they? They have completely destroyed the licensed trade in my opinion.

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I resent that remark panther I dont class myself as tom dick or harry. nor do i class my husband as such who before I met him was the second longest running tennant of the tinker. The first being Jessie.

The top and bottom of pubs closing today is that breweries have got too greedy and concentrate more on managed houses than tenancies .
Yes there are bad landlord/ladies but they arent really behind the pub closures. they come from the breweries draining every penny they can from any sorce they can.

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Theres also the Rhoden in Ossy

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Why's no-one mentioned the Golden Cross? is that shut at the min??

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yep so is tinker:(

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Look at post 2 in this thread:rolleyes:

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alright i missed that one:o

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how could you have missed it when you said on post 4 it was due to bad landlords?

And its the title of the thread?

***goes has a lie down***

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stop picking on me ya bullies...:(

LOL....oh shutta ya face, im tired:p....

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sorry hun, reading back that came out really quite harsh, and wasnt meant so!

Been feeling like i'm going mad all day so your post topped me over the edge lol

Sorry!

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:alright: apology accepted!, ;)

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Its a smoking shelter.

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why not build it round the back?

they are taking their time with it arnt they..??
should have done it months ago...lol, summers coming now...i hope:rolleyes:

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I thought that aswell Panther. They are loosing a lot of space around the front, thats great to sit in the summer. I haven't been in for ages so haven't had a chance to ask Martin. Will try and find out though.

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I asked Martin why the smoking shelter wasn't being built round the back. He said it's because if it was round the back he wouldn't be able to keep an eye on who was coming in and out of the pub.

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The area at the front looks to be cobbled, so the pub probably own it.
(if they were council owned - cobbles would have been whipped up and sold off by now :D)

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I hope it looks ok when they done!, is it gonna be some sort of outhouse with roof etc...?
I think it may look daft round the front:(

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I would think they have park, be a bit daft not to, as you do need PP on these shelters

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It does happen, and in Hyndburn


Pub Told To Pull Down Bandstand Smoking Shelter (from Blackburn Citizen)

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Thats crazy, must have thought that he would get retrospective planning permission, and it don't always work. Didn't know the Citizen was still going havn't had one at my gaff for years park, mind you I havn't missed it

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The Black Dog has got planning permission.

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Well, of course, understand Park querying it .. looks like HBC thought the same initially :-

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/site/cu...11_07_0161.pdf

Then a new application, although a little obscure as to exactly where :-

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/site/cu...007%200563.pdf

Could have missed summat of course ..need to see the actual plans.

Sure all OK though.

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Apparently planning permission was refused initially because of the materials they were going to use to build the shelter. They changed the materials, re-submitted plans and permission was granted the second time.

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OK ... thanks Lilly, just doesn't say exactly where on the second application .. sooner HBC get the plans attached to applications the better .. really behind with this one.

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Second application indicates, lean to, flagged floor, boundary wall. Does not include a "glass canopy" seems a little vague don't you think.
I must agree with Katex, the sooner HBC attach plans to applications the better. BwD do that, all the planning documentation is there for all to see on line, including all plans.

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I see that work seems to have stopped with the smoking shelter.

This may be why
enf. No 85 looks like there has been a breach of planning regs.
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...ent_report.pdf

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Unfortunately the link ain't working, have had this prob with HBC web site before

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Try it this way then

Check for forthcoming committees, reports and agendas

Planning Committee

Enforcement report ↓

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Eeew yes Park .. wasn't you was it ? :D

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Certainly do agree Park .. (even though I smoke meself), but always thought it looked rather nice without anything extra really, would have been a shame.

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It's also reported in this weekend's Obserer that planners from the council are investigating a complaint about the Black Dog's smoking shelter/pavillion.

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What was the complaint? :confused:

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No, just says what little information that I posted.

You know I'd give you more details if I could Squirrel.:D

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Sadly doesn't say.

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Probably have better luck looking for planning applications up a tree...and nuts at H.B.C.:D

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Yeh, the only way to find out is to visit the Planning Office, and take a look at the enforcement notice. Or perhaps ask the Landlord ?

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I don't think a smoking shelter at the front of the pub is a very good idea, will everyone have to pass through it to get into the pub?

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Well, all the non-smokers will just have to go in the back way :D Only joking, before I get a barrage of abuse.

Would think may be set to the side of the door Jelly Baby, although it does say in The Observer, has been haulted after complaints, so maybe wasn't particularly the Development Control Department initially.

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Oh OK Parks,somebody could have 'squeeled' on them then. Or just badly misleading in the paper.

Pretty sure you can go and view the enforcement notice though.

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Just been past Black Dog, and apart from a small wall there doesn't seem to anything like an erection, (if you'll pardon the expression) at the front.

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I am pretty sure that anyone has a right to see an enforcement notice or anything else generated by the council
HBC did used to have a very helpful planning dept.
If you need any more info apply, by email, under the Freedom of Information Act. then they have to provide the data requested (unless it is private eg your asking how much someone in the council earns) within 30 days

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Whether we can view or not Park, hope you have better luck then I did on a reply to mine, asking why there are such big gaps on entering details of planning applications/decisions .. :rolleyes:

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The Tinker and Budget is opening again. When it shut all the regulars transfered to Ossy Social, I was in last night and one of the regulars is taking it on, don't know when its opening but they are working on it know. It appears that whilst its been closed someone's broke in and trashed it big style, ripped all the heating out (without turning the water off) took the led of the roof ect

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that pubs does need a total refurbishment, it looks a real eyesore, just like the old fire station :(

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thats obviously made it more "Upmarket":D

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So the lead off the roof and the copper piping all gone
Wonder who has been collecting scrap metal around here lately? :rolleyes:
Oh yes - those ****** who had a police caution last week

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The lead has been stolen off some roofs in Cannon Street over the weekend, somone knocked to ask if I saw anything.

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Yes............Here it is Bernie:

http://www.lancashireeveningtelegrap...ad_thieves.php

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Thanks for that Roy, don't know how that has happened without someone seeing it:confused: The traffic is more or less constant round here

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I thought something was going on at the Tinker, there's been people hanging around it for a few days - probably doing the work.

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They might also have been pikies waiting for the new piping and rads to be insalled:D

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"3. Greyhound Inn, 45 Market St, Church. Built in the 1850's, with a number of typical victorian features, (note ashlar facade)"
Have put a photo on The Gallery

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Came across this...

THE HISTORY OF SIGNBOARDS,

From the Earliest Times to the Present Day.

BY JACOB LARWOOD, AND JOHN CAMDEN HOTTEN. 1866

'Lower down still in the sphere of callings and professions the signs will take us. At Oswaldtwistle, Accrington, we meet with the Tinker's Budget. The budget is the tinker's bag of instruments ; we see the word thus used in Handle Holme:* — "A Tinker with his budget on his back, having always in his mouth this merry cry : — ' Have you any work for a Tinker V " and Shakespeare, in the " Winter's Tale : —

"If tinkers may have leave to live And bear the sowskin bitdget,"

This inn, then, is certainly very modest in its pretensions.'

http://www.archive.org/stream/cu3192...96556_djvu.txt

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Hello John how you doing

are you guys still on about pubs in ossy yet --FOXHILL-- is now open also the Tinker they have done a nice Job of the FOXHILL

Mick.

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A lot of pubs and clubs have shut because of the smokeing ban thats what i think.

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Maybe it's time for the new government to revoked the smoking ban.. it would be easy for them to do it because it would not need a vote in parliment.