James St Club
 

Just heard that a planning application has been submitted to change the working mens club into function rooms for Asian weddings etc. That will cause traffic chaos around that area during an event.

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Ah ... thanks Firefighter ... we have queried this before, as knew already knew there was a function room but as it incorporates weddings, appears to explain it.

See application 11/08/0213:-

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/site/cu...08TO040408.pdf

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so was there never traffic chaos when it was a WMC when they had functions? or am i missing summat?

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We didn't turn up in Limo's Cashy. ;)

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So where does it say that it's just for Asian weddings?

Surely a function room is a function room?

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Well, the applicant could be a bit of a clue Gayle ... Mr. Nasif Yousaf. As muslims don't drink, they will be all turning up in their cars, unlike us lot who get taxis .. :D Are extending the car park. Suppose just a change of usage of the function room, but like you say, we do not really know, as H.B.C. do not have the facilities yet on their web-site to elaborate.

The decision is not yet posted (nowt unusual there) .. so decision may have been already reached !!!!

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bit pedantic i know but thats complete cobblers, i used to drink with a couple of muslims from work, of coarse they didn't drink at all when visiting friends n family.:rolleyes:

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Well in general Cashy, ya daft apath .. if the gossip as provided by Firefighter is true ( makes sense), then all friends and family will be at these 'functions'.

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how ya know he's Muslim?...he could be Hindu...:D

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I was actually talking to the fella who owns it (horses mouth) and he told me his plans also they are not applying for a drinks/gaming license so I guess not so many Ossy folk will want their eighteenths there anymore.

Your missing summat, they used the car park, go and watch one they are very eye opening but part of the celebration is about 100+ males in hired powerfull cars (usually merc convertables) driving around pipping horns with music blaring, then they go driving like idiots and we end up cutting them out, I can't remember such events when it was a WMC.

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go and watch one they are very eye opening but part of the celebration is about 100+ males in hired powerfull cars (usually merc convertables) driving around pipping horns with music blaring, then they go driving like idiots and we end up cutting them out, I can't remember such events when it was a WMC.[/quote]

No change there then, I thought that was just the idiot taxi drivers!

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I thought that they ferried all their family women in stretch limos.

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don't need to go watch one, have been to a couple at accy town hall, n never noticed a big traffic problem there.:confused:

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Yet another person trying to make a mole hill appear to be Everest!

If the guy can afford to buy it and is going to put it to use, for celebrations and people getting together what on Earth is wrong with that?

It's doubtful you will get an invite, they probably want to enjoy themselves.

If you are a genuine firefighter, shouldn't you be against fanning the flames, rather than pouring your flammable prejudice all over the place?

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Who the hell are you calling me prejudice, I haven't got a predudicial bone in my body and find all your comments offensive.

I don't care who wants to use the club or for whatever reasons, I am merely pointing out traffic problems associated with asian weddings. Blackburn Police have towed dozens of cars away due to poor parking ie fire appliances, ambulances etc unable to proceed down streets in Blackburn, its a massive problem and I have every right to be concerned as, as the rest of the residents in the immediate area.

I am just pointing out a potential traffic problem, it might never happen but it might.

People like you make me sick, as soon as anybody comments about other cultures you call people prejudice, thats why people are scared of commenting on problems with other cultures.

Maybe you should think before you start attacking people for having concerns on traffic issues in the area where they live, if our cultures weddings where so well attended I would have concerns about that too.

Get off your high horse.:mad:

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sorry firefighter ya didn't point out a potential problem that might or might not happen.---Just heard that a planning application has been submitted to change the working mens club into function rooms for Asian weddings etc. That will cause traffic chaos around that area during an event. is what ya said.

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Originally Posted by firefighter753 (Post 604609) Who the hell are you calling me prejudice, I haven't got a predudicial bone in my body and find all your comments offensive.

I am a person that read your conclusions and jumped to one of my own, I wonder which of us will result with the most accurate assumption?

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I don't care who wants to use the club or for whatever reasons, I am merely pointing out traffic problems associated with asian weddings. Blackburn Police have towed dozens of cars away due to poor parking ie fire appliances, ambulances etc unable to proceed down streets in Blackburn, its a massive problem and I have every right to be concerned as, as the rest of the residents in the immediate area.

But you do care, that's why you took the bother to post this thread.

Ossy isn't Blackburn.

You're absolutely right, it might happen but none of us know that it will happen.

I'm sorry that you are sickened by people like me, you commented and I wasn't scared to answer you.
Until there IS a problem your speculation is somewhat without grounds.

You have however every right to put your doubts and fears to the Planning Committee they may agree with you.

I can't agree more, maybe I should think, just a second, (think, think, think....), Well I stand by my first post I think.

You have already said that the concerns you have about traffic might never happen.


Why has yours died? Is that why you need to use mine?
:rolleyes:

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Didn't pick up on the application that is was for function room 's' ... they separate the women from the men don't they ... LOL.

Although, the one and only I have attended as an invited guest, was put into the room with all the men, and at the head of the table too which was elevated on a stage. :o Felt like the Queen. Was transported by stretch limo too.

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Why should anyone be scared to answer a thread, most people have good points and I take on board their constructive answers.

You obviously want a reaction in the way you attack in your posts and your accusations, I don't want to start a slanging match so end of subject.

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What is the point of posting on here if we don't want a reaction?

In case you haven't noticed, it's not up to you when it's end of subject.

We don't agree, that in itself doesn't mean you're wrong.

You put forward your view and I countered with my view, still, we don't agree, that is life, but I've not said end the subject, I just say you are wrong in your beliefs of being right, instead of spitting out your dummy, convince me I'm wrong, don't tell me or others that's the end, there might be a few that agree with you therefore I'll be the idiot you think I am and you won't be the idiot I know you are!
:D

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fire fighter is correct , wherever asians get together in large numbers traffic laws go out the window , a friend of mine lives near one of their comunity centers and the cheecky swines go as far as to not only block the roads with double and tripple parking but often park that far onto the pavement outside her house that she cant ge out of her front gate,they even parked in her neigbours garden one time

so firefighter does have a point as anyone who lives near to where asians hold events or meet up becomes one huge traffic hazzard that usualy the police do very little to sort out

personaly i would send a team of traffic wardens and tow trucks to any large event wether it be an asian wedding , a christian wedding or a birthday party and make damn sure the roads are kept clear and the locals arnt bothered


you dont get so much trouble when they hold a wedding at the town hall because they know damn well they are on cctv,traffic wardens are more likely to be about and they dont want to block the road as they dont like the idea of their new mercedies getting hit by a bus trying to get past

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never seen a traffic warden on a sunday accyman.

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they used to be and i think they still are , i may be wrong as i dont go into town sundays much as im usualy recovering from saturday:D

besides they are still on cctv which the operators will tell the police if any blockages occur etc and the busses are still running


lets not forget it was only last year that HBC addmited that they GAVE UP trying to enforce parking laws down blackburn road as it was too much hard work

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There you go again name calling, keep your insults to yourself, whats the matter with you? and as a matter of fact I don't think your an idiot.

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Lets be honest here, the only reason people are concerned is due to the fact its something focussed on the asian community. The only dubious point is are people bothered due to racism, or the actual traffic problem it could cause.

In all honesty I think its great that the familes do get together for such an event, maybe we whites should hold the same respect and 'familyness' as they do. Then perhaps it wont be a question of who uses the facilities but rather the effect that it will have

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well said onlyme, agree completely.:)

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couldnt give a toss what asians do with their time ,what i do give a toss about is when i cant drive down a road because they are illigaly blocking it through ignorance and inconcideration for people around them and causing problems for local residents

surely amongst two asian families they can muster up a few taxis or if they have passed a british driving test be fully aware that you are not supposed to park two cars side by side on a public road

most right minded people would actualy think it best not to take the car because parking is lousey and arrange alternative transport but clearly as often is the case they prefer to dump their cars where ever they like as if it is their god given right to do so

mind you thankyou for proving the point that as soon as you have somthing slightly negative about anything regarding asians your a racist

also if you read my previous post i said i would put extra traffic wardens and tow trucks at any event to keep roads clear but lets face it asian gatherings are the worst offenders

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If you'd read the post correctly, I was not making a statement merely raising a question.

Ad have you ever parked around a school at home time??? Asians do not have the monopoly on cack parking.

I dont think this should be a case of nationality and race of customers to James St, more should the planning permission been granted. Does it matter what colour the punters are?? Surely if a function room holds, say 200 people, its going to cause an issue, no matter what colour/religion they are

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no as im not a pedophile but i acknowledge your point but lets be honest a lot of bad parking at collecting time at schools is caused by women who cant drive their big 4x4's ( seriously girls you may think you are driving well but clipping other cars and reversing up pavements just because your 4x4 can isnt good driving)

im not saying its just asians that park badly but if somone is going to start suggesting that objections are purely because it is an asian event then sory i am going to point out the obvious truth and that is that asian events on a whole cause a lot of traffic problems due to their lack of consideration to the people around them

firefighter raised a valid concern and it was suggested it was because the place was going to be used by asians , if he indeed is a firefighter is the next accusation going to be that he climbs ladders more slowly when rescueing an asian from a burning house ?

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lets hope not eh? lol

And incidentally theres an white bloke that parks on the zig zags outside school every bloody day....

Like i say the point i am trying to make is that the council should have looked at the maximum occupancy of the function room, and decided if the area could handle the traffic this will cause.

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yup

the should give lollipop ladies the power to hand out fines for parents parking on zigzags etc and give them a commisuon on every ticket issued ,infact i think parking wardens shoud be able to issue the 3 points that go with parking on zigzags but currently they can only give a fine

pitty eh :(

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Your quite correct Onlyme every event can cause problems and inconsiderate parking at schools, football clubs etc is a major problem for emergency services.

The area around St Mary's church on a sunday morning was a problem but we approached the priest after a fire appliance was hampered responding to a house fire on Hawthorne Avenue and the problem got better, but I'll not go into that or I will be accused of being prejudice against catholics.

I am sincere when I say this is not a race issue, just a concern that these events are so well attended that the parking becomes a real issue, and the roads around James St are narrow and tight at the best of times. If people park to near a junction for instance a fire appliance has no chance of turning into that street.

James st club in its hay day was licenced for 600 but never got that full, and if there was a function on 90% of people walked or got taxis the rest parked on the car park, traffic issues were never a problem.

Nothing would suprise me Accyman the way people on here twist things and make it sound like its race that you have an issue with, I say again Inconsiderate parking due to well attended events is the issue here nothing else. And I would like to state that I will always put my life on the line and enter burning buildings no matter what colour, sex or shape the victim is as fast as I possibly could, even you 'Less', the only thing that would slow me down is not being able to get a fire appliance into or down a street due to inconsiderate parking.

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No change there then, I thought that was just the idiot taxi drivers![/quote]

they have been holding them there without permission then, because a few times we have seen what you explain about the cars and music, the cars are really something else they turn up in, top of the range money cars, so they have started already. this started last year.

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What a load of twaddle this all thread is!
All Asian weddings are not the same, all Asians dont use the same mode of transport to get to their weddings. Infact they are very like no Asian weddings, some will want to have limos but not all. If it is just for weddings the club is going to be u sed mainly in the summer months and will be quiet at other times of the year. surely it is better that the building is used than not used? Would people rather see it fall apart from neglect? How long has iot been empty now?
Thinking about it I can't see it being that big a hit with weddings as there are no grounds outside for pictures

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I agree onlyme on the parking, but I may be wrong in thinking that before planning is granted parking HAS to be concidered by law, I'm sure if I'm wrong Accy Webs resident planning officer katex will put me straight:D

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Eew hek Jaysay, raising me above my limited knowledge .. :eek:

Would think that parking will be one of the highest priorities for passing/not passing these plans Jaysay .. they do intend to amend the structure of the car park, but without a visit to Scaitcliffe House, can't tell to what extent (another plug to get them to put these up on their web site :rolleyes: )

Really don't think will come up as an issue though .. look at the parking around the Civic Theatre when there is an event. Wonder if any of the residents have objected on these grounds ? Would be the only objection I would imagine.

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Civic theatre is a different kettle of fish kate, both the civic theatre and the surrounding houses have been there years, and as far as I can remember parking as always been a problem, I lived in Monarch Street upto leving home in the mid sixties, and my Father lived there until he died 5 years ago, and there has never really been a change of use as the theatre part has always been used for events. James street is different, there needs to be planning permission for change of use and as you say and I thought parking has to be concidered

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There is a simple solution to all this nonsense about illegal parking in big Mercs. It's called a screwdriver, which just happens to stick out of your bag as you have to squeeze past said vehicles.

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Shock horror Tealeaf:eek::eek:thats illegal isn't it:confused::D:D

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Hi, I live just round the corner from the club and can see what problems would be caused, i think something needs to be added if the planning is going to be approved, 1st there will be a problem parking and they should monitor this when functions are on also when the club is not being used it should be open to local residents for community meetings etc and posibly a centre where the teenages could go at night...just a thought, Frank

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When the people of Stanhill opposed the planning application for Barrett housing, one of their many grounds for objection was problem parking - ie the development did not provide enough on its site and inevitably main road parking would increase.

I suggest that a document signed by nearby residents be sent to the planning committee - pointing out that the new users of the club are not expected to be alcohol consumers and are therefore far more likely to arrive in cars and park

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There is a purpose built Youth Club not very far from James Steet, and a community centre next to that, you have also to remember that this will be privately owned.

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See there is an Planning Application for change of use to Restaurant and Function Hall from Snooker Hall on Richmond Road, Accrington... Mr. Nazakat Ali. Wonder if for the same type of purpose as per St. James's Club ?