Harvey Street Youth Club
 

:mad:The noise level that comes out of there when the youth club is on is ridiculous:
Local people have made several complaints.... nothing gets done:

I am talking just loud... I mean really loud:
Don't know what the youth leaders are doing .... but they are not doing their job:

I have seen kids drinking and smoking outside.... and judging by the used condoms found in the alley way ..... they are not dancing the Hokey Cokey ( still they are taking precautions) well done:

and they wanted support for an alcohol free pub ...... don't think so::mad:

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I picked my son up from the scout hut last night and was shocked to hear this noise coming from the nearby youth club.

What a racket! No way should it be so loud, there's no need for it.

If you live near there you have my sympathy, that would drive me mad. :mad:

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Sorry to hear that.:(

Have you tried getting help from your local councillors?

Also there's the Enviromental Office at H.B.C., who deal with noisey neighbours, whoever they are. Their details are on the link below if you haven't alreeady tried them.

A to Z of services - Pollution control - noise

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yes we have sent letters and the like..... so in the end you sort of just give up to it:
I know one of the leaders come on this site... so maybe He / She ...will see that people are not happy....

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If you got no joy from Enviromental Health I would try your councillor. If you are in St. Andrews ward, Peter Britcliffe will be your councillor too. Don't wait on the off chance someone sees your troubls on here, call him. I know people who have and he will do everything he can to help.

As a ward councillor he's very good. I've no complaints there.:D

Give it a try. His numbers on the link below.

Councillors - Peter Britcliffe

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Wish I'd have seen this thread earlier as Martin the Youth Leader was in my place at lunch time, will give him a bell tomorrow and ave a word

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Magpie has just emailed PB John so hopefully will get looked into! It is bad, ive seen and heard for myself!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Reece asked me a few weeks ago if he could start going to that youth club, i'm ever so glad i said no

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I have been in the near area from three years now... and I personally would not want to send any of my kids there..... make of it what you will: its not just the noise.... it the whole thing:

and yes I know not all kids are the same and a few ( althought there are more than a few ) spoil it for the others....

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i didnt know anything about the place so thats why i didnt let him go, we dont even live in Ossy, some of the kids in his year at school go so thats why he asked to go

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amazing how the local community wanted the youth club but now its noisy and they cant hear eastenders.... people complain, where else are they supposed to go ?

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My thoughts aswell, if they were on the street making alot of noise, maybe damaging property, than you would all say well there is no where for them to go! Now thier is they complain it noisy etc. I know which one i would rather have.

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Well half of them are not in the centre…. They are on the streets drinking, smoking and also copulating in the back alley….
I have no objection to the youth club : However they should keep the doors shut if they insist on playing music at the level they do:
We are not talking loud , we are talking VERY LOUD at levels , whereby if it was a pub it would be shut down….

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Not next door to you... you would'nt.... you try putting a six year old to bed at 19.00 with the noise that comes from there....

or sitting out in your garden in the summer with thump thump thump.... scream moan moan.... ( maybe pleasure moans ) who knows....

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Where's a PCSO when you need one?? Surely this should be in their remit??

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Well as some one who worked tirelessly to get that Centre on Harvey Street, with the Youth Support Group, and still have contacts with the place, I feel rather sad about this problems, as I said in an earlier post I will try to speak to Martin today

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Why do they have to play such loud music? :confused:

It isn't just loud, it's extremely loud. :mad:

Can't they show some consideration and not have it blasting out like that?

There's really no need for it and then everyone would be happy.

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I agree ....... if they just kept the noise down, I guess we could put up with all the other ............. that goes with it:

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maybe they need loud music to keep rythm going during the sex they are having round the back or even to cover up the noise made by said act :D

i heard sex down the back alley can be painfull and could imagine loud music could be needed to cover the screams lol

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was not too bad this week..... at least the doors were kept shut: keep it up thank you..... :-)

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That's good to hear.:)

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a few years ago it was not that bad but buy the sound,s of it things have got out of sorts, i hope you can get it sorted soon.try to get to talk to some one what run,s it.

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The dispersal order that Cllr Britcliffe signed last week covers Harvey St, so the police have the power to disperse large groups hanging around. May be, that was enough to keep them inside.

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Does the order just cover Oswaldtwisle Gayle?

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The one that I know about just covers Union Road area of Osw, including streets coming off it I think.

There may be others around the borough, I just don't know about them.

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Ahhh was just wondering why so many were congregated outside the fair last night with nobody moving them on. I do understand that it isn't a problem here ninety nine percent of the time but it was a bit scary to see such a crowd. Would have been okay if they weren't goading each other and spoiling for a fight.

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Talked to Mr P B ( things have got a lot better with the youth club ) so fingers crossed they keep it up..... I don't want to spoil their fun, just to ask for not so much noise: also I guess it keeps some of them off the streets ( for a while )

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I think they need to revise their opening times.

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The facility on Harvey St is run by Lancashire County Council - apparently they have a policy throughout Lancashire about opening times and won't open at weekends.

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Are they open this week? I heard they were shut for the Easter holidays. Do you have a link to opening times for the Centre - I have failed to find one yet.

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I don't have a link - I was told about opening times by a policeman. Have you tried on LCC website?

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You would make someone a rubbish secretary :p:rolleyes::D

I will have a look again, I find most Council websites naff.

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I'm Friends of Rhyddings Park's secretary - that doesn't make me your personal lacky! Find yourself a new slave. :D

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Shut it or I will start asking you where the minutes are from the last meeting :p

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They're still in my book.

But I have booked the meeting room.

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Maybe we could have our meetings at the youth club, if its open and not too noisy. Well I doubt they bang drums all night :p :D:D

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HERES A LINK WITH OPENING TIMEShttp://yps.lancashire.gov.uk/hyndburn/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=7574

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There is a chance that the Youth and Community Centre could be opening on Saturday, if they can get the finance that is

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Thanks for that.

Anyone know what ages junior, midi and senior youth club is for?

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for a while all was ok ....
however back to square one now.... ( but not the noise level)
its time to shut the flipping doors.... or shut the club : there are many people in the area not happy with it:

God knows what strangers to the area must think....

also we would all like to enjoy our gardens during the summer light evenings... but alas no:

unless you like bang bang bang .... kids shouting : I could go on. but I have a headache from having to listen to the rubbish they call music mmmmmmm music:

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There were a lot of kids hanging round outside the scout hut at the beginning of the week. I think they were from the youth club as they kept wandering up and down from there. There were quite a few couples 'canoodling' as someone put it. :eek::D

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not to mention getting drunk... smoking and so on: makes the town look great to visitors: NOT : we have been in touch with little and large ( cpt) and also The man himself Mr B .... but nothing's being done:

its the old people I really feel for there..... that live near it and next door old people were trying to play cards.......

like I say forget sitting out in your garden unless you enjoy the noise.....

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Funny thing I was young once:rolleyes:

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You have a good memory :p:D

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Yes you was young once,but did you get up to the things like they do nower days

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i must admit, i probably got upto a hell of a lot worse than these kids when i was 'young'

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i suppose having definative things occur when young make bee young easier to remember...

like teh invention of teh wheel for example :D

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The police were paying a visit tonight when I went to collect somebody from Hipping Vale next door. I think it was community police as opposed to real police ;)

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That place has been troublesome since I was a kid. Adults complained about it then too.

Its a hard one really because we all want our young uns off the street but we also want them in a safe envioroment

If these kids are drinking and having sex where are the police .

I think the guys who run such places can only be responsible for them if they are inside the premises (Might be wrong) but if thats the case then they are powerless to whats happening around outside,
Perhaps its time to shut the doors if local residents are affected so badly or at least time for relocation.

GOOD LUCK .

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I was next door at Hippings myself yesterday. When we were leaving at about 9pm there was a huge group of young people outside the youth centre. I couldn't see any alcohol but I agree they were being loud. But, isn't that what young people are? Even when my two are trying to tell me something from school they can't keep their voices down or when they're in the paddling pool in the back, they are screaming and laughing really loud. Kids are loud.

If they're behaving reasonably well and they're in a safe environment shouldn't this be a good thing - they could quite easily be sat in Rhyddings Park terrorising the ducks or outside the Co-op terrorising old folk trying to shop. At the youth centre they are at least, policed in some way by the people who run it and known by the police who visit regularly.

I think the main issue is the time it goes on for. My neighbour, who lives further up the road, has a direct line of sight to it and he says it goes on until very late. Fortunately, for me the trees muffle the sound so I can't hear it very well.

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Well to all intents a purposes the music stops at 9-45 each evening, this week has been exceptional, with very warm weather, probably the reason young people were outside. Martin the youth leader and his staff are working hard for these young people, in fact the last time I saw him, last Monday or Tuesday, he had worked 19 days without a break. Back in the late eighties a lot of people who did give a damn about young people in Ossy gave up countless hours of their own time lobbying for this facility and raised thousands of pounds to equip the centre when it was finally built. Catering for the needs of young people today has never been harder, but people like Martin are making a difference and I for one applaud his attempts to change attitudes towards the youth of Ossy, It may just help if from time to time he got some positive vibes instead of continually getting negative ones

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Sorry Jaysay, I didn't mean to come across as negative - I was trying to defend the young people and trying to point out that it's a good thing that they have somewhere to go. Perhaps it didn't come across like that so apologies.

I think it's important for young people to have these facilities and I know the hard work that people like Martin put in.

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I agree Jaysay it is hard to cater for todays kids and I applaud anyone who takes on the task of trying to occupy them (I personally couldnt)

What i was trying to say that if it is as bad as some residents are saying then rather than close it down altogether relocate. . We were lucky as kids we not only had Harvey st on a friday night but also Lock st which were great . they did allsorts to keep us busy inc have a local netball team.

However Harvey street had to close its doors back then purely because of the trouble that spilled out onto the streets.

Like I say its a tough call.

I just hope than rather than lose it altogether for the kids some compromise with the residents can be made.

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I don't care what the kids do outside... or to each other: don't care if they drink , smoke whatever:

What I do care about is the noise level.... its just too loud: if they shut the doors and turn it down just a bit... would make me happy...

If it was a pub it would be shut down....

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Magpie, have you got kids who use the youth club?

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no....but if i did i would not want them in there.... oh and i can stand noise... i am a musician... but this is way ott

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what are they doing? shouting or just talking loudly?

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No need to apologies, I didn't take it that way at all Gayle, its just that there is quite a lot of negative criticism, at a time when there is so much effort going into helping young people, and I find it very sad

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I think you got your answer when you complained a week last Thursday Magpie, when there were 4 community police officers on duty. That night there were 131 youngster in the club that night, 131 youngsters that weren't running a mock through the streets of Ossy. The noise levels have been monitored and are quite acceptable and as I've been informed your own daughter actually uses the youth club, so actually you have the opportunity to actually go along and give a hand and help to make that difference, god knows Martin keeps asking for positive input so now's your chance, you never know you may just enjoy it

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Think your info is definately suspect there Jaysay seeing as Magpie's daughter is 30! Case of mistaken identity me thinks! :D

Best Regards - Taggy

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Why is it she keeps saying her daughter can't get to sleep with all the noise:rolleyes:

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Hi Jaysay, having just checked her posts i cant see one where she says that mate?

Best Regards - Taggy

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this reads like she could be refering to having a child but isnt specificaly saying its her child or what sex it is

i didnt look any further for more beacuse its A.M and i dont do trawling through long posts in the mornings :)

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I think she's just commenting on the experiences a few people are having who live in the immediate area are going through, quite a number of people are concerned about it and discuss the situation. Its a difficult situation, and ive no doubt that the youth leaders are trying their very best, and are probably, by and large, doing a very good job. I dont know what control or powers they actually have, its mainly i think where they congregate outside on the road, and the passage by the side of the centre. I personally drove on Harvey St not long ago, and had to stop in the middle of the road, because a gang of teenagers were stood in the middle and wouldn't move, and i got a mouthfull of abuse when i asked them to move so i could drive on. I see it mentions in this weeks observer that the Police have been monitering the situation with regards to Teenage boozing, not just in Oswaldtwistle, and that a 14 year old boy was handed a "Youth referal form" (not sure what that is), after he was found drunk in Harvey Street! Dont think there would be too many complaints if the teenagers used the actual venue rather than just hanging around outside it, other than the issue of soundproofing, because the noise levels when the windows and doors are open, is definately louder than what would be allowed at an adult venue ie a pub!

Best Regards - Taggy

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the majority of booze related problems and vandalism in teh harvey street area are not linked to the club but from drunken kids forced into teh area by the exclusion zone,aslo these drunken and vandalism occurances happen on days when teh club is shut

i also drive past teh club a hell of a lot and have seen no such instances infact i walk down t side of itto nip to my mates and have yet to see anyone having sex infact teh sex could be happening by older kids after teh club is shut and its alittle darker or even some mucky sods on teh way back from teh pub