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Firstly I would be the first to admit that something was needed at these dangerous crossroads, however the minature version of whitebirk roundabout that is being built up there seems a bit over the top. How much money as the council spent on this junction when surely a set of traffic lights would of done the same job, and cost us tax payers a fraction of the money?

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Was looked into and that junction aint suitable for traffic lights, you need to see the lights a certain distance before you get too them and you don't get that there

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Thanks for answering my question K.S.H. they must of got some traffic light boffin to come up with that one.

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Got to admit that the cross roads do appear quickly when your coming from Guide

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I think Lancashire County Council are spending somewhere between £800,000 and £1,000,000 on it.

I have heard both figures mentioned over the last 3 years or more since they approved the scheme. It has already taken them well over 4 months from starting work and they are still not finished.

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rubbish, if they put those double decker lights on the approach from Knuzden and put the stop line before the corner on Lottice Lane it would have been fine. Its a 40 mph zone so you shouldn't be coming so quickly that you can't see them plus add a 'traffic lights ahead sign before them and you have no excuse.

As usual they like wasting money and time.

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that sums it up very well.:rolleyes:

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Depends on whether your approaching in a bog standard family car or a V8 4.2 death mobile, the owners of those things need their wings clipped for everyone else's safety at that junction! :D

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There you have it.

If people didn't go faster than that then we wouldn't have anywhere near the number of accidents that we do.

The accident that sparked this roundabout off was due to speeding. :(

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The chap from LCC said it did not meet current DOT requirements for traffic lights so it did not get them. Can't even blame LCC, they have to follow the rules as well.

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<fx:ian gets Julie to check his back for any sprouting appendages>

heh, even 4.2 litre V8 monsters can do 30mph and less when the squishy fleshy thing behind the wheel uses its brain. :D

Oh, hang on , wings on my back that would make me an Angel then!!!

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IIRC it wasn't. As I recall it the lad turned in front of a bus that wasn't speeding. It was bad judgment that caused that accident (which is often quoted as the main reason and good on his Parents for pushing so hard for it) but you also have to remember all teh others how have died or been seriously injured there. One accident would not have made LCC do the work, it is teh sheer number of accidents there that make it such a reknown problem. ( I worked at teh Brit for 3 years so know how many minors that wouldn't even get reported and I personally saw 3 or 4 majors in that short time.)


Then the rules are wrong and need challenging. Rules are never set in stone. They evolve and are reviewed and changed as necessary.

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The rules might need changing entwisi, but are you going to tell the jobsworth down in Westminster, the best of British mate:D

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It wasn't the bus driver that was speeding.

The young lad was speeding, the one who died.

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A NELSON school bus driver who was involved in a fatal smash at a notorious accident blackspot in Oswaldtwistle has admitted driving without due care and attention.
During the hearing, in Blackburn, accident investigator PC John Sutcliffe said that the school bus turned in front of Mr Jamieson's car as he drove towards Knuzden.

He said Mr Jamieson, a former Rhyddings High School pupil, had been driving at around 53mph 13mph over the 40mph limit on the approach to the junction.
Death smash: Bus driver admits charge

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THE parents of a man who died in a smash at a notorious junction have hit out after a £650,000 safety scheme was delayed.

Lancashire County Council has already approved the spending of £50,000 to buy three areas of land at the Britannia crossroads in Oswaldtwistle to build the "life-saving" roundabout.

But the scheme has hit delays. Although the money is in place there have been problems with acquiring the land.

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That don't surprise me one little bit:(

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So why was it not finished months ago???

They started work in November, could have been October but definitely mentioned at the November Area Council Meeting.

I pass almost daily and there is almost nothing done from one day to the next.

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They have built a little island on the left on the new lane side, i run past most mornings, thats biggest change in how many months

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Its getting on for 6 months now

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Their waiting for a photo call with Dorothy, Neil:rolleyes:

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perhaps they are taking so long in doing it so that it sinks into the thick head boy racers that are the cause of the majority of accidents up there that the road is actually changing

after they have zoomed past for a few months it may gradually sink in that they have to slow down

shoudla slapped a speed camera at the junction and made money instead of spending it , they would only zoom past once lol

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I would whole heartidly agree. This is absolutely one place a speed camera would be welcomed and seen not as a cash cow.

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You would need two, one in each direction. Or one of those reversible ones.

Next we need Lottice Lane resurfacing. It must be one of the worst roads in Hyndburn.

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Get onto your County Councillor Neil, mind you you'll have to pop over to Clayton to see her, we don't have a county councillor living in Ossy, well not at the moment that is:rolleyes:

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I was sat next to her for 2 hours at the last Area Council meeting and forgot to ask her what the completion date is and why it has taken so long.

I think they are using it as a fill in job to make it as cheap as possible. I feel sorry for the people who live up there. Living next to that mess for all these months is out of order.

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i suppose its good if tehir kids are bob teh builder fans in which case it will be like a 2 year long play for teh kids to watch through tehir windows at this rate lol

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It is due to be completed 15th June Neil ... so a few weeks as yet.
Think the council have been cautious on this one to get it right as very controversial and, of course, the land acquisition took time.

Does say includes road reconstruction on Lottice Lane, not sure to what extent though ?

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Kate, they started work in early November 2008 if not sooner. Weeks have past with no work being done. Nothing to do with cautious, all the planning was done well over 3 years ago. Yes they said delays were down to acquiring the land.

I want to know why it has taken so long to build it? June will be 7 months plus to build a roundabout. I bet it would not have taken that long if the roadworks were in the middle of Preston :(

Whoever is responsible for this work should be explaining what is taking so long.

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Maybe if our County Councillor Dorothy Westell lived in Ossy and used the junction almost daily as I do she would have kicked ass and had it sorted months ago.

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No idea Neil, but this was what was estimated for length of time it would take when it was proposed to go ahead in August, so they must have foreseen a lengthy construction somewhere along the line. Suppose would have to access details of the actual engineering plans, etc., to find out why.

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I still suspect the duration is down to cost. It is rare to see more than a couple of people working up there. I think the contractor is doing bits when he has spare blokes from other jobs.

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Possibly they could be waiting for the other utilities to attend ? Just a guess like.

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Could it be the completion date will be Wednesday 3rd June Neil:rolleyes:

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Ossy has been unrepresented since 1993, we actually should have a county councillor who lives in Ossy not bloody clayton, they have their own

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If thats the case kate its down to lack of forward planning, but there again its only Ossy ain't it, they don't give a stuff:(

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i will look forward to using this roundabout and encountering teh same amount of idiots that dont give a stuff or know how to use one just liek teh big one in accy center

its ok putting a roundabout there but people dont even slow down whe approaching them anymore which explains why theres so many accidents on accy center one

unless the are puttig traffic light on this roundabout liek at blackburn i cant see teh accident rate dropping

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[QUOTE=jaysay;708014]Ossy has been unrepresented since 1993, we actually should have a county councillor who lives in Ossy not bloody clayton, they have their own[/QUOTt

The two Tory Councillors for Barnfield ward in Acrington both live in Ossy. Do you think that's wrong as well?

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I do.
I think it is better if they at least live nearish so are more aware of the day to day issues around their ward.

I gave an example of where things might have moved faster if Dorothy was using the junction as much as I do.

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I'm not sure that it comes down to where the Councillor lives. If you take Ossy it's a massive County Council area. The County Councillor could live at the bottom of say union rd and still be along way from the britannia crossroads.

The problems at that junction have been well known for along while. And what people want from their County Councillor, is that he or she works hard to get the problem rectified, irrespective of where that councillor might live.

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This is going off thread but I don't honestly know what my County Councillor does. Thats the problem. LCC don't come across as doing anything. People always blame HBC when things are wrong because they think "The Council" is HBC alone.

I know what my ward councillors do. They come to the Friends of Rhyddings Park meetings and try to help us out every way they can to improve things.

I have emailed my County Councillor on the topic of school zig zags and the issue was quickly sorted. I suspect that was more to do with me badgering an LCC cabinet member and asking the engineer responsible by email, why he had put children at risk by his actions - that soon got him moving :)

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i think thats a great idea P.B. would be fine- outa the way.:rolleyes:

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The point I was trying to make is that people want County Councillors, Local Councillors to deal with the problems in the areas they represent.

Dorothy Westell, even though she may not live in Ossy has been extremely effective over the years in getting a lot of problems solved that matter to people in Ossy.

And that in my opinion is what good local Councillors should be about.

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You two do talk a load of crap at times.

Dorothy was chairperson at most of the planning meetings re. Britannia, and would have done her utmost to see that this project was done to suit all residents in the area. Don't think it matters whether she lives there or not, only 10 minutes drive away, and issues no different than they are in Clayton. A road in trouble is nationwide.

Nowt to do with elections Jaysay ! Has been going on for months ... always political to you, ain' it ?

Forward Planning ?... suspect this is one controversial road improvement that has had the heaviest forward planning ever, in order to get it right. Who doesn't 'care a stuff' about Ossy ? .. Ossy gets lots of attention. !

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So would you like to explain why the work on the ground started in November 2008 and will not finish until June 2009.

They could have put a third lane on the M65 in that time.

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Its bound to be political when politicians are involved kate, so Dorothy was Chairman (I bloody hate this PC chairperson malarkey) I'd sooner see somebody with an engineering background, its like putting me in the Chair of the local knitting group, a bit useless really

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I like Dorothy a lot and I'm sure she's got the best intentions in mind for Ossy but the fact is she doesn't live there. I think a councillor should live in the ward they represent - I think an important part of being a councillor is representing your neighbours and trying to benefit your own area.

I was offered the opportunity of standing for a 'safer' seat but it wasn't the one I live in. I strongly believe that you need to live in your own constituency to be able to represent but Jaysay before you have a go at Cllr Westwell for not living in her constituency take a look at the Conservative party on HBC - they don't all live in their own ward, do they?

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it could be taking so long because the land up there may be prone to water logging and extra precautions have to be taken to prevent the new road surface crumbleing away or other geological matters

if time was wasted sorting out buying the land needed to expand teh road for teh roundabout yu can hardly blame teh land owners holding out for as much money as they can because i sure would if somone wanted to buy my land - that is if this is teh case anyway

or it could just be teh old classic leaning on shovels too long lol

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No idea Neil .. not privy to the schedule of works, just pointing out that this was the estimated time it would take before the project started .... not delayed (as yet LOL).

Don't be daft Jaysay, this is why we have councillors, the engineers and planners do all the work first and their professional reports are put forward to our representatives whether to go ahead or not ... same in politics at all levels... :p

Exactly Gayle, felt like pointing this out myself, but Jaysay will have an unreasonable excuse for them ... :D

They include :-

Susan Haworth ... lives Clayton, represents Altham.
Kathleen Prattt ... lives Accrington, represents Baxenden.
Jennet Liddle ... lives Clayton, represents Rishton.
and the best :-
Paul Barton and Tony Dobson, both live in Oswaldtwistle and represent Barnfield.!!

Course there are some labour councillors too, but irrelevant in this discussion with Jaysay and the Dorothy Westell point.

:p

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It is rare to see anyone up there to actually lean on a shovel.

I do hope they do improve Lottice Lane Kate. It is far too narrow at the top for the traffic that uses it since the M65 extension.
It would be nice if the footpath was continuous as well. It ends at the bottom of the hill. Reappears at the Britannia. Then it disappears before the bad bends at the top of New Lane. I have walked from the Britannia into Ossy, it is very dangerous walking on the road around those bends.

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now yer being unreasonable Kate, jaysay like all good torys is just trying to cloud the issue.:D

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Would appear you were not far out Accyman, taken from the minutes of meeting 27th February, 2009 :

Britannia Crossroads
The Chair informed the meeting that works at Britannia Crossroads had been slightly delayed
due to the recent severe weather conditions and unforeseen drainage problems which had
subsequently been resolved.
It was reported that the contractor was currently working on the surface water drainage in the
area to the east of the junction and also in Haslingden New Road near Greenfield Terrace. As
the Haslingden New Road drain would be brought up the carriageway towards the Britannia
Arms it was noted that temporary traffic signals would be required until the works were completed

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It was months ago that the temporary light were there.
It should have been obvious about the wet conditions. Just to the side of the houses is very often a pond, you can tell by what grows there.

I did notice they had 2 weeks off at Christmas ;)

At this rate that wall will need re-pointing before the roundabout is finished :rolleyes::D:D

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all this talk about crossroads is bringing back memories of Benny lol

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Well, bit of light hearted, if not all that particularly witty, digression ... :rolleyes:
Was well into my anorak mode then .... :D

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if you play along you can be miss diane and if your realy nice mick can be benny :D

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Love role playing .. :D

No, musn't go off thread ... this is a serious subject which concerns the whole of Hyndburn.

Just to get back to it ... on that report there was the addition that the parents of the young lad that lost his life there requested a memorial which was being discussed with the engineers ... thought that was a lovely thing to do as a reminder to us all of safer driving.

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don't think that idea will get off the ground kate, nice thought but theres many places were fatal accidents have occured, floodgates springs to mind.:)

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Understand your comment Cashy, but how many have resulted in an £800,000 improvement ?

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I don't think you can say that is the only reason for the roundabout.

I can remember the LCC traffic chap saying that he did not think that a roundabout will be the end of accidents at that junction :eek:

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and hes probably correct its not as though there arnt accidents on roundabouts and like i stated earlier accrington town centers big roundabout is a good example of plenty of accidents which are caused mainly by numpties that dont nkow how to use a roundabout or simply dont care to use them correctly and boy racers seeing how fast they can go around the roundabout with their new improved lowered suspension before zooming into mcdonalds carpark:rolleyes:

i suppose with the rondabout there will be slower impact when teh accidents occur but there will still be accidents just not as fast i guess :)

no way should there be a memorial my sons uncle died in a car crash in whalley and his family put flowers down at the crash site like most other people do when they loose a loved one in a car crash and that is quite surfice in my opinion or we would end up having the country littered with memorials if we started putting them up for car acident victims, may seem harsh but realistic

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Love roll playing do ya kate, my kind a gal:D

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i dont think she meant the recreation of the battle of hastings jaysay ,i dont think she would be pleased at you turning up with your shiney helmet and mighty sword in your hands .... but then again :eek:

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:yelrotflm:yelrotflm:yelrotflm

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I'm waiting to see what kate has to say about that accyman:rolleyes:

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He should be careful with Kate after she has had a few drinks, I saw her in the park last year ;).

She might take his mighty sword in her hand and polish his helmet for him :eek:

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his pink helmet looks polished enough to me :confused:

http://socalskateshop.com/images/pro...PinkHelmet.gif

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:yelrotflm:yelrotflm:yelrotflm I have lost wee now! :D

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Is that a Jewish helmet Accyman ?

I'll be your Guinevere, if you will bring your white charger Jaysay.
These posts going to get deleted I think ... :eek:

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Unfortunately I haven't got the white charger anymore kate, its a broken down old nag these days:s_cry::s_cry::s_cry::D

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Aw bless. http://planetsmilies.net/animal-smiley-4960.gif

See there will be a 30 m.p.h. restriction at this junction from 19th May until 15th June, so take care.

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It has been set at 30mph since they started work in November 2008

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Yeh, you right Neil .. didn't read the LCC notice properly in the Observer, seems is an extension of the original notice .. which was made on the 19th May 2008 and is an extension of the order now until 15th June, 2009 which was the new completion date specified lately .. hopefully. Sorry.

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They are just temporary road works type signs.

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You tend not to read things properly when you get to a certain age kate, the only thing is I got to that age a lot earlier than is normal:rolleyes:

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ive never found these cross roads dangerous, mainly because i watch what im doing and concentrate, seems a waste to be fair, if i can make it across on my mountain bike why cant a car ?

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Maybe you have been lucky. It is mainly fast cars coming up from Knuzden that are the problem in my opinion.

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Because a bloke on a bike can out accelerate a(most) car 0-20mph? add in you are about a foot or so taller and have a lot better visibility down towards Knuzden than a bloke in a car means you have a lot better odds to start with.

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We also have to remember entwisi that there are drivers who have trained with the Kamikaze school of motoring too:D

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Had a walk round today and have put some photos in The Gallery under "Streets" looking pretty good

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beacuse an absolute fortune must be blown to prevent idiots from killing themselves or others

2 speed camreas would not only stop them speeding but hopefully get them off teh roads if they did because most of teh idiots are boy racers who only need 6 points before a ban

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The way Accrington Magistrates treat disqualified drivers makes me wonder why anyone bothers with licences and insurance

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You gotta' admire Cllr. Britcliffe's cheek, taking credit for summat Dorothy Westell oversaw. Lottice Lane resurfacing was included in the budget for the Britannia Roundabout project ... :rolleyes:

Oswaldtwistle road resurfacing is welcomed (From Lancashire Telegraph)

“I really do welcome the news that this stretch of road is to be re-done after I brought it to the attention of Lancashire Council Highways department. I’d like to say thank you to the people of Oswaldtwistle for getting in touch with me to let me know that it was in a dreadful state and worn away. “I’m really glad that the work is going to be re-done as it would have been a real shame to sink the ship that is the new roundabout for ha’penny worth of tar.”

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And just in time for tomorrow ;)

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Sorry, don't understand ... is it the official opening or summat ?

Gotta' admit though .. he's good, very good .... :rolleyes:

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i wouldn't say good more lying weasel.:rolleyes:

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Mwoah .... I love my interpertor ... :D

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As one Labour Councillor once said "We're in control we'll take the credit":rolleyes:

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No its the Ossy Area Council meeting tonight. I think it will be renamed to some other meeting but the same difference.

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A meeting to rename it Britcliffe crossroads?

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Don't be silly, it is the usual 3 times a year Area Council meeting.

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What a good idea Margaret, as a little thank you for the work he's done for Ossy over 26 years:mosher::mosher::mosher::mosher:

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Why not rename Oswaldtwistle "Britcliffe Land",
thats where the arsehole lives.

Retlaw.

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Its been that for years Retlaw:D

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retlaw thats not nice p.b. done a lot for ossy & hyndburn thank you.

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lets get it right lol