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Presumably there will be a bye-election soon in Ossy following the sad loss of Jean Lockwood. Does anyone know when it will be and who's standing?

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It's the 23rd of this month Gayle.

It's a Labour Tory contest. Dorothy Westell for Labour and Judith Addison for the Tories

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23rd July Gayle Judith Addison is the Tory Candidate, and a woman form Clayton le Moors is Labours choice, the one that PB roasted at county in May

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Not my ward, but if it was Dorothy Westell would get my vote.

She's worked tirelessly, and successfully, for the desperately needed improvements to the Heys playing fields.

Though I've heard someone (no names) has tried to claim the victory as his own.

(No suprises there then.)

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Naughty, naughty Jaysay .. you know full well who it is ... object to that slightly :whack:... Dorothy is lovely and worked hard within the LCC for Oswaldtwistle. Agree with Garinda, if my ward, wouldn't hesitate to put my cross against her name on the voting form.

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Let's have a thread wander. Isn't it Dorothy Westell's daughter who's married to the world's unfunniest comedian?

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Yes, she is married to someone well-known ... and they are both lovely people. Whether you consider him un-funny is just a matter of taste Yerself .. nothing to do with Dorothy's capability of becoming a councillor once more .. :p

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judith for me.

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I've met Judith and she's a nice lady, as is Dorothy but neither party seems to be putting up a fight - they're both two very nice ladies of a certain age. Surely, it would make more sense for either party to have put up someone who was different from the other, offering a real alternative battle.

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I just want some one from my town to represent me from whichever part but preferably Tory, Dorothy maybe nice but ain't it time to call it a day when your in your mid 75s. Ossy Con Ass have a local rule, which is, if you want to stand as a candidate to represent an Ossy Ward on HBC you MUST live in Ossy end of. Speaks volumes For Ossy Labour party when they can't field a local candidate. The reason I just used Clayton Woman kate is simple, during an election campaign I will never ever use an opposition candidates name never have ever will, in letters leaflet or even now on sites like this, which didn't exist when I was active, why publicise your opponents name, people don't remember whats written on leaflets or in letters, but they do remember names. I can remember the chap who printed our leaflets in the 80s early 90s always telling me, a political leaflet is only as good as it takes to read between the front door and the Dust Bin, people DO remember names:rolleyes:

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Dorothy is a very nice lady, I have spoken to her many times. I can't understand though why anyone at 75ish would want to stand as a Councillor.

I don't think I have met Judith so can't comment about her.

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I sort of agree with that. Only sort of because it is LCC land and they should have fenced it off years ago to prevent the motorbikes and 4x4's going on it.

The only improvement so far that I am aware of has been the removal of what I believe was an unsafe building.

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Jaysay my sweetie .... did realise what you were up to .. not that naive.. :p
I know, 'Woman' is PC, however, has that undertone of insult. On the Clayton abode .. we have covered this before, and shown that many Tory councillors live out of their ward .. (the current Tory Mayor as an example).

Didn't quite realise how old Dorothy was and I have myself pontificated about politicians being over a certain age .. only M.P's though, not locally. She appears to still have a very astute and active mind.

Can't find any info. on Judith Addison ... she is no spring chicken looking at the odd 'photo I have found.

Anyway not my bye-election but, if it were, probably would consider both candidates, and find out as much as I could about both of them as, like most people, tend to go for the person in local elections.

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Judith has just retired from her job with HBC recently, she was in the electoral department for many years.

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Money is now in place to build proper changing facilities, renew the drainage system, and resurface the all weather pitch, besides the fencing, all thanks to Dorothy's hard work.

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...and as for councillors living in the ward, I have it on very good authority from a mutual friend, and a neighbour of his, that a certain someone didn't even know where the Heys playing field where, and had to ask as to it's location.

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If all publicity is good publicity, including bad, you little chum Cllr. Britcliffe owes me big time.;)

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Was this not a standard tactic of Mussolini's fascist party in Italy in the 1920's, Stalins USSR and of the National Socialist Party of Germany? Airbrush out the opposition and then they'll go away. I always thought of Jaysay as an old-fashioned democratic Tory...now I have a vision of him with as a man with a mustache, goosestepping up and down Union road in Ossy.....has anyone reported any sightings? I will offer lots of Karma for any piccys.

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I seem to remember Graham Jones making a big noise about living in the area in the recent local elections. He certainly let it be known which candidates didn't live in the ward they were applying to represent.

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Well I've said on many occasions that I think that the ward should be represented by someone who lives there, or at least in the case of Ossy to at least live within Ossy if not the ward itself.

I sort of feel that if you're trying to get on the Council and you're going for any seat that means that you want to be on the Council more than you want to represent your area. However, in Dorothy's case it's slightly different as she did used to live in Ossy when she was elected to LCC (I think) and has only recently lost her LCC seat so she's been active in Ossy for a long time.

Perhaps, the other argument to 'age' is that we want representing by someone who has the time to do it - if they're retired then it means they can attend meetings etc without having to juggle a job as well.

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House prices have fallen enough already, without us having to have Cllr. Britcliffe living in our actual ward.

:eek::D:eek:

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Dorothy was involved yes but she certainly did not do all the work herself. St. Mary's Football Club and Rhyddings School have raised most of the money from what I understand. I was at a presentation about The co operation between Rhyddings and St Mary's a while back.

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Dorothy didn't live in Ossy anytime during her tenure as on CC or HBC she lived in Spring Hill but never Ossy, as for juggling jobs Judith is retired and actually lived in Ossy many years

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I know someone who lives in the ward who has been aggressively approached by both women for their vote.

Aggressive as in keen, not as in a threatening violence.

:D

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I didn't mean it like that - I'm sure both ladies are putting up a fight and are both going to work hard if they get in. I just meant that both ladies are of a similar age and similar enthusiasm for the role, probably similar capability too so it doesn't seem much of a contest in some respects.

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Thats reassuring Gayle me being in the same age group as you, you've made me feel a hell of a sight younger:D:p

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I know, thats why I wanted to set the record straight.

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I do feel Neil, that this is not doing Dorothy's bid for election any favours ... 'build 'em up, knock 'em down tactics'. Statement was made that she had worked hard for Heys Playing Fields, you negate it by stating that it was due to joint efforts between Rhydding and St. Mary's. Of course these two bodies have worked hard towards this project, no denying that, but all funding did not come from this area as per report here, which I am sure was fought for by Dorothy :-

http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/counci...A&FILEID=38742

All psychological clever stuff.

We having no past history of the opposition, so can only speculate what she may be capable of.

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Please don't forget that this is LCC land that they should have fenced off many years ago to prevent the abuse of it by cars, 4x4's and motorbikes. Also don't forget how much money LCC have to play with each year and how long this has been going on for.

The Football association would appear to be stumping up half the project cost (if they are lucky).

I did not say Dorothy did not work hard, I just wanted people to realise it was not her lone crusade and that she probably only got involved because the other bodies who came up with the idea went to her.

I would have been impressed if she had arranged for the full £1 million to have been made available for the project.

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I prefer to deal in facts, rather than wild assumptions.;)

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Why do you know she started the whole project off and got everyone else involved? :rolleyes:

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I've never posted that she did.

I said she worked tirelessly for this cause, which she has, and was instrumental in it's success.

Fact.

(See the difference between fact, and posting wild guesses?) ;)

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I live near Heys field.
I saw Mrs Westell visit the site several times and she took the trouble to keep us (nearby residents) informed of developments.
I got the impression that she is a politician who cares.

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All politicians care, its about what we have to be careful about :rolleyes::D

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Interesting to note the small piece in the Observer... Dorothy quotes that she has always been interested in Ossie (no mention of the Labour party); whilst Judith quotes that she has always been a Conservative voter, and now an opportunity to stand sooner than she thought.

Ok...possibly certain quotes extracted by the reporter .. but the way the report has been presented speaks volumes to me.

I am not canvassing for either side by the way... trying to be objective.

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Then why does she not stand as an Independant and be more objective?

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That was my point Royboy ... party before the people maybe ?

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No mention of the Labour Party, kate:rolleyes: you want to see her leaflet, In over 40 years in politics I have never seen a leaflet from an official political party candidate which doesn't say they are the party candidate, no mention of Labour (except the imprint) , no Red Rose emblem, no Address, and a statement saying that she is paying for the leaflet and campaigning out of her own pocket, just as if she is trying to convince people she is an independent, or is it she is just ashamed to be associated with Labour:rolleyes:

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I don't think that anything would have gone out of Labour office without it being approved - mostly because Graham Jones handles all the printed leaflets. So I suspect that it is a Labour tactic rather than it being Dorothy's own statement.

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I think you should have to state which party you represent. It should be bold and obvious.

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It also mentions that Judith trained as a preacher.

To me religion and politics make uneasy bedfellows, as in the case of the odious Mr Logan, formerly the Rev. Logan.

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Come of it Gayle, it actually says on the leaflet that she is paying for the leaflet and all campaigning out of her own pocket, if that was the case I'd sure as hell won't my say as to what was going out in my name, if as you say its a Labour tactic, just goes to show what a deceitful desperate party they have become, oh yes and by the way, its printed in Black too the colour used by independents, what a dreadful shoddy show Labour are have become:(

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This is definitely a tactic by both parties.... Dorothy did say that she lost her seat on the LCC due to national issues, so this is probably why no big mention of her party.

Judith, on the other hand, is pushing the Tory party like crazy in the hope it will work again.

A shame really that most of the voting public will view it this way, and not consider which candidate will be the most useful.

Let's face it Jaysay, if the Torys put up a monkey, you would vote for it ... :D
(Know already how you are going to reply to this)

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So long as it was a good looking monkey:D
But seriously the Tories were in just the same position as Labour are now back in the 90s and there is no way would we ever put out leaflets without indicating the Party or without a Logo, which ever way you look at it is just a tad dishonest, you should never be ashamed of the party you represent. Who's the best candidate? Well to me its the one that actually lives in the town. I can remember in he 90s when we had Labour councillors foisted on us from the peoples republic of Spring Hill, there were 8 Labour councillors in all and Ossy got nout

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You can take it from me that the Tories have put plenty of leaflets out, without indicating which party the leaflet came from. They still do it in the ward I represent

Incidentally if Dorothy wins next Thursday the Council will go from a Tory controlled council, to no overall control.

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Well that's funny because all our leaflets are taken from the same template, and as for no overall control you lot will lie and cheat to try and make it happen, your just a bunch of Political Carpetbaggers

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Just trying to be helpful.

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Round and round in circles we go on this point, you ignoring the fact that there are many Tory councillors sitting on our council who are also Carpetbaggers.

carpetbagger (plural carpetbaggers)

1. (politics, chiefly US) A candidate who runs in a district where he or she has not previously held residence.

At least Dorothy was born and bred in Oswaldtwistle !

Funny, but I still do appear to have a great leaning towards Peel Park Ward, where I was born and bred, rather than the Clayton-le-Moor's one where I have now lived for the past 45 years. :confused:

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That could be why the people of Hyndburn, who don't live in Oswaldtwistle, i.e.the vast majority, have twice rejected your little chum Britcliffe in General Elections.;)

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If Britcliffe had have won in 1997 or 2001, even I would have thought he had divine intervention, especially after the boundaries were gerrymandered:rolleyes:

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So we can expect you standing in Pell Ward then kate, as an independent of course:D

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Well, would feel that I had justification to care about the people there in improvements to an area that gave me so much. :p

Anyway, will be nice to you today seeing as it's your birthday ... :D

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Brings an all new meaning to the saying "be gentle with me kate":D

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Well, the voting for this will have ended at 10pm this evening.

I haven't voted as I don't live in Immanuel Ward, I was in the library earlier, it was used as a polling station today and there weren't many coming in to vote whilst I was there. It's a shame. :(

I suppose some people will be on holiday but I think there may be even more apathy than usual what with the recent MPs expenses scandal.

I wonder what percentage of people did vote. Will find out soon enough I suppose.

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Wouldnt be surprised if we have another protest vote.One of the minor parties getting in.

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There were only two candidates standing, one Labour and one Conservative.

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Well my guess is a tory landslide in it

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You were always a good judge Ian, 133 majority is a landslide in Immanuel ward on a 32% poll, Believe Dorothy had a face like a Churchill Dog chewing a wasp:D

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Who told you that?

:rolleyes:

Still it's a little more imaganative than a 'silly cow'.

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It wasn't PB, he just told me the result at 10-50 last night

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So you have more than one bitchy friend in the political arena?

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Thousands of um Rindi, thousands of Um:D