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b rawlinson

15-05-2010 14:58

German V1 flying bomb crash-oswaldtwistle 1944

I am interested in finding details of the crash of a german V1 flying bomb (doodlebug) carrying propaganda material that crashed in oswaldtwistle in late 1944,where the crash site was and when-anyone know? :)

SPUGGIE J

15-05-2010 16:58

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How the hell did it reach Ossy its range was only 200 miles or so? Or was it one dropped over the North Sea from a bomber as it got to the coast.

b rawlinson

15-05-2010 17:53

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one also crashed at brindle near blackburn in 1944,extended range was 400miles plus.

b rawlinson

15-05-2010 18:00

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they were also launched from modified heinkel 111s from the north sea as well.

cmonstanley

15-05-2010 19:38

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there talkin about ones in london on channel 4 now.

Retlaw

15-05-2010 22:05

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Originally Posted by b rawlinson (Post 815005)

Must have been an error of judgement, or some ones having you on, what would have survived a crash that would be readable, anyway Gobbiners can't read.
Retlaw.

MargaretR

15-05-2010 23:00

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My dad was an AFS auxilliary fireman in wartime.
I recall him talking of a bomb that set the moors ablaze, but the talk was that no housing in Ossy got hit.

cashman

15-05-2010 23:17

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 815049)

My dad was an AFS auxilliary fireman in wartime.
I recall him talking of a bomb that set the moors ablaze, but the talk was that no housing in Ossy got hit.

seem to vaugly remember someone saying was towards the "Coach n Horses":confused:was to young though to be interested n probably too drunk.:o

david1

15-05-2010 23:29

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Originally Posted by b rawlinson (Post 815005)

Hope you post your findings on here , i will be intrested to read it !

b rawlinson

16-05-2010 07:10

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christmas eve 1944 heinkel squadron 1/kg53 launched 45 V1s from over the north sea against Manchester,many people were killed in the oldham and tottington area.several V1s carried no warhead only propaganda material in a hope it would survive a crash landing.I now understand the oswaldtwistle one possibly crashed near the old quarries off the grane road but not confirmed yet.One also crashed at gregson lane bamber bridge. I also believe the ossy site has been investigated by an ww2 aircraft research group.

jaysay

16-05-2010 09:43

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 815047)

Must have been an error of judgement, or some ones having you on, what would have survived a crash that would be readable, anyway Gobbiners can't read.
Retlaw.

Well I'm okay then I was born bellow the Lamp:D

DaveinGermany

16-05-2010 10:07

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As part of the 2nd Group "Gruppe II" (LEGION CONDOR) from October 1944 they where reformed into a carrying "V-1 Träger" Unit, to enhance the weapons distance. As from November 1944 they flew missions against England As part of the 3rd Aviation Division

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...4-iikg53-1.jpg

DaveinGermany

16-05-2010 10:31

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The name "Legion Condor" was bestowed upon KG 53 on the 12th June 1939 in recognition of their exploits in Spain from October 1936, where German Military assets were deployed in support of General Franco during the Spanish Civil War.

service of the unit was roughly :-
1936-39 Spain
1939-40 Poland
1940-41 France & England
1941-44 Russia
1944-45 Germany & England

south aussie

22-05-2010 09:49

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 815047)

Must have been an error of judgement, or some ones having you on, what would have survived a crash that would be readable, anyway Gobbiners can't read.
Retlaw.

I lived above and below the Lamp,and could read well in both locations!:tongueout

DaveinGermany

27-05-2010 08:01

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Having looked a little more & got some info from a German site, which led me back to this, hope it helps.

WW2 in Northern England - Air Raids, V1 Flying Bombs and Aircraft crashes

garinda

27-05-2010 08:08

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I don't know what type of bomb it was, but the town centre was definitely hit by some kind of bomb. It landed in a work yard, somewhere behind the Royal Oak public house in Oswaldtwistle.

Can't help with a date, but I know it was towards the end of the war. My grandmother heard and saw the bomb drop, as our family bakery faces that pub.

So the town was bombed, but sadly I can't remember anymore details.

garinda

27-05-2010 08:14

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 818398)

I'm sure she said it landed in Thomas Street, and thinking back there was a work yard, between the Royal Oak and where the New Inns pub is.

If you Google map 'Thomas Street Oswaldtwistle', and go into Street View, the yard is where the little car park is now, on the left-hand (north) side of the street.

garinda

27-05-2010 08:23

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By the way, there was no talk of any propoganda material, when the bomb landed in the Thomas Street area.

bondi38

28-05-2010 14:44

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Gary what was it called i remember it was a works that made wood barrels i seem to remember but the name escapes me.

garinda

28-05-2010 15:38

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Originally Posted by bondi38 (Post 818724)

Gary what was it called i remember it was a works that made wood barrels i seem to remember but the name escapes me.

No, it wasn't the barrel yard. That backed directly onto the infant's playground at Moor End school...and stank!

This was a smaller yard on Thomas Street. It was behind the Royal Oak, and had high cement rendered walls, and big gates that opened on to Thomas Street.

That's where I always thought the bomb my Granny saw and heard, fell.

bondi38

29-05-2010 15:02

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will ask my mother she is 95 born in 1915 lived at back of john haworths as a girl so she may come up with the answer but we lived opposite the irish league then but i was only 6 so will let you know when i go down on monday

jaysay

30-05-2010 09:21

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Originally Posted by bondi38 (Post 818724)

Gary what was it called i remember it was a works that made wood barrels i seem to remember but the name escapes me.

Was next to Jacob Wards joiners, could even have been part of the firm, but not sure

south aussie

01-06-2010 10:46

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 819099)

Was next to Jacob Wards joiners, could even have been part of the firm, but not sure

The name of the company was Hartleys Cooperages
The old alcohol soaked timber from the barrels was great for burning on Bonfire night.

gholden

15-12-2010 16:16

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I was one of the many Ossy people that went to view the large blast hole in the ground made by the V1. My brother and I had also seen it passing over the town during the night. To say the hole was made by propaganda material is nonsense. It was quite close to a lonely house on the edge of the moors and the poor chap lost all his windows both from the house and from his greenhouse. There was no signs of the moors being on fire.
George Holden.

Tealeaf

15-12-2010 17:37

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Why would Herr Hitler wish to blow up a house on the grim and dark Ossy Moors?

jaysay

15-12-2010 17:40

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 869225)

Why would Herr Hitler wish to blow up a house on the grim and dark Ossy Moors?

Probable looking for the Royal Ordinance Factory near Lower Darwen

Tealeaf

15-12-2010 18:08

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 869226)

Probable looking for the Royal Ordinance Factory near Lower Darwen

I thought he might have been aiming for the strategicaly important town of Church and the V1 overflew. I'm quite sure that some records were retrieved from the Hitlers Berlin bunker at the end of the war. The transcripts, if I recall went summat like this:

Hitler: Die Russen sind an den Gattern von Berlin, kommen die Amerikaner vom Südwesten herein und Monty und die Briten gießen in Deutschland vom Nordwesten. Meine Armeen haben mich verraten. Etwas muß erfolgt werden!

Himmler: Nichts kann erfolgt werden, mein Fuhrer - alles ist verloren!

Gorbels: Sein zutreffendes - gehen Sie die Rückseite jetzt mit Frau Braun hinaus und erhalten Sie die Selbstmordpillen hinunter Ihre öffnung!

Hitler: Wartezeit! Was über die lebenswichtig wichtige Stadt der Kirche, nahe Accy? Nehmen Sie das heraus und das läßt Churchill denken!

Himmler: Ein schlauer Plan, mein Fuhrer!

Hitler: O.K.… Produkteinführung Flugkörper jetzt. OH- und stellen sicher, daß Sie nicht zu viel setzen Kraftstoff im Behälter….wir möchten nicht ihn auf dieser Scheißebohrung Oswaldtwistle vergeuden.

For those of you who are to thick to read German, here's a translation:

Hitler: The Russians are at the gates of Berlin, the Americans are coming in from the South West and Monty and the British are pouring into Germany from the North West. My armies have betrayed me. Something must be done!
Himmler: Nothing can be done, My Fuhrer – all is lost!
Gorbels: Its true – get out the back now with Frau Braun and get the suicide pills down your mouth!
Hitler: Wait! What about the vitally important town of Church, near Accy? Take that out and that will make Churchill think!
Himmler: A cunning plan, my Fuhrer!
Hitler: OK...launch missiles now. Oh, and make sure you don’t put too much fuel in the tank....we don’t want to waste it on that **** hole Oswaldtwistle.

jaysay

15-12-2010 18:12

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 869238)

And they said Hitler, Himmler and Gorbels were mad:rolleyes:

DaveinGermany

15-12-2010 18:44

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T that's abysmal ! Funny but abysmal ! :D I do read German :rolleyes:

Neil	16-12-2010 09:01

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 869225)

Why would Herr Hitler wish to blow up a house on the grim and dark Ossy Moors?

Because they were about as accurate as you are good looking, and we all know your day job is modelling before pictures :p

According to the font of all human knowledge, wikipedia, the V1 only had a range of 150 miles so how did it get this far?

V-1 (flying bomb) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neil	16-12-2010 09:10

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 869366)

According to the font of all human knowledge, wikipedia, the V1 only had a range of 150 miles so how did it get this far?

V-1 (flying bomb) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

May like this

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The trial versions of the V-1 were air-launched. Most operational V-1s were launched from static sites on land, but from July 1944 to January 1945, the Luftwaffe launched approximately 1,176 from modified Heinkel He 111 H-22s of the Luftwaffe's Kampfgeschwader 3 (3rd Bomber Wing, the so-called "Blitz Wing") flying over the North Sea. Apart from the obvious motive of permitting the bombardment campaign to continue after static ground sites on the French coast were lost, air-launching gave the Luftwaffe the opportunity to outflank the increasingly effective ground and air defences put up by the British against the missile. To minimise the associated risks (primarily radar detection), the aircrews developed a tactic called "lo-hi-lo": the He 111s would, upon leaving their airbases and crossing the coast, descend to an exceptionally low altitude. When the launch point was neared, the bombers would swiftly ascend, fire their V-1s, and then rapidly descend again to the previous 'wave-top' level for the return flight. Research after the war estimated a 40% failure rate of air-launched V-1s, and the He-111s used in this role were extremely vulnerable to night fighter attack, as the launch lit up the area around the aircraft for several seconds.

Now I know where the Argies got the idea from when firing exocet's at our ships.

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