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Bee 25-09-2011 18:57
The Gobbin Lamp
 
The Gobbin Lamp is to be restored :jimbo: :jimbo: :do-one: :do-one:;
Oswaldtwistle's Gobbin Lamp set to shine again (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Neil 25-09-2011 19:19
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The lamp sits in LCC land at the library.
There was a proposal a few years ago to move it across the road to Jubilee Gardens which is HBC land.

That was a very interesting Area Council meeting, one of the best I have attended :D

Tealeaf 25-09-2011 19:32
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I'll give it two weeks before its nicked for scrap.

MargaretR 25-09-2011 21:42
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In my 1940s childhood there wasn't a lamp there, although the phrase 'above t'lamp' was in use.
I was glad to see that the news article makes this clear
"The original lamp, a gas lamp, was removed many years ago and a campaign for its return saw two lamps, based on the original style, installed in the early 1970s, although only one of those now remains. "
It may well have been melted down for war munitions, just as house garden railings were.

jaysay 26-09-2011 08:44
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I'm not sure where abouts I live now above or below the lamp, I've a feeling that MargaretR and Mez might be just below and I must be just above

Bob Dobson 26-09-2011 09:11
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Jaysay - if you have to ask that question, then clearly you are a gobbin and, in my humble opinion, a Gobbin.

I am told that there are no photos of the original 'big lamp' , so if you know of one, I will arrange for it to be copied and made available.

The position of the big lamp is a source of embarrassment to me, as I wrote a book in the 70s in which I said that it was situated outside the Palladium. I had sought the opinion of Benita Moore before penning it. Luckily, the book went into a second edition and I was able to put the record straight. 'Big lamps' figure in the folk-lore of several Lancashire towns, marking the line or position above or below which a resident is a gobbin or similar word meaning a person of little intelligence.

jaysay 26-09-2011 09:51
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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 936015)
Jaysay - if you have to ask that question, then clearly you are a gobbin and, in my humble opinion, a Gobbin.

I am told that there are no photos of the original 'big lamp' , so if you know of one, I will arrange for it to be copied and made available.

The position of the big lamp is a source of embarrassment to me, as I wrote a book in the 70s in which I said that it was situated outside the Palladium. I had sought the opinion of Benita Moore before penning it. Luckily, the book went into a second edition and I was able to put the record straight. 'Big lamps' figure in the folk-lore of several Lancashire towns, marking the line or position above or below which a resident is a gobbin or similar word meaning a person of little intelligence.
Think you got me wrong Bob, Where I live I think must be just above the place the lamp was situated, but I'm not 100% sure, I can't see through houses, but by my reckoning I'm on the boarder line, I was born bellow the Lamp by the way, a long way bellow:D

Bee 26-09-2011 15:31
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 935940)
The lamp sits in LCC land at the library.
There was a proposal a few years ago to move it across the road to Jubilee Gardens which is HBC land.

That was a very interesting Area Council meeting, one of the best I have attended :D
Here's the "move the lamp" thread;
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...amp-12391.html

Wynonie Harris 26-09-2011 16:03
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 936024)
I was born bellow the Lamp by the way, a long way bellow:D
and about four miles west! ;)

jaysay 26-09-2011 17:41
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 936052)
and about four miles west! ;)
If I've told you once I've told you a million times don't exaggerate:D

Wynonie Harris 26-09-2011 18:03
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 936062)
If I've told you once I've told you a million times don't exaggerate:D
You were the one who told me your were born in Blackburn when I was on one of my "support your local football club" rants! ;)

jaysay 26-09-2011 18:23
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 936069)
You were the one who told me your were born in Blackburn when I was on one of my "support your local football club" rants! ;)
Ya thats right but was brought up from being about 5 days old bellow the lamp in Ossy, but those 5 early days were enough to make me a life long Rover;)

Wynonie Harris 26-09-2011 18:43
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 936074)
Ya thats right but was brought up from being about 5 days old bellow the lamp in Ossy, but those 5 early days were enough to make me a life long Rover;)
Yes, well, I have given you special dispensation, so carry on with my blessing. ;)

Tealeaf 26-09-2011 20:04
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What exactly is meant by this phrase 'below the lamp'? The library stands on that part of Union road which roughly runs in an East-West direction. So is anyone north of the line where the lamp stands a Gobbiner/Gobbinlander? Or is it the other way round? Or is it something to do with it's position just by Union Rd, in which case it's totally meaningless - which is something to be expected from anyone from Ossy.

MargaretR 26-09-2011 20:21
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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 936092)
What exactly is meant by this phrase 'below the lamp'? The library stands on that part of Union road which roughly runs in an East-West direction. So is anyone north of the line where the lamp stands a Gobbiner/Gobbinlander? Or is it the other way round? Or is it something to do with it's position just by Union Rd, in which case it's totally meaningless - which is something to be expected from anyone from Ossy.
The land is lower - think Tinker Brew.
Are you one of those people who thinks a trip to Scotland is all uphill?:rolleyes::D

Bob Dobson 26-09-2011 20:26
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I have always had the view that the Black Dog is at the top of Union Road, and so anything on that side of the lamp would be 'above', whereas on the railway station side it would be 'below'. The house numbers run 'up' from the Church boundary on Union Rd. That settles it. -nowt to do wi' bein' gawmless.

Tealeaf 26-09-2011 20:43
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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 936102)
I have always had the view that the Black Dog is at the top of Union Road, and so anything on that side of the lamp would be 'above', whereas on the railway station side it would be 'below'. The house numbers run 'up' from the Church boundary on Union Rd. That settles it. -nowt to do wi' bein' gawmless.
Sorry, Bob - but I'm not convinced. Union Road starts from the Church boundary with Market St at which point it runs in a southerly direction, gradually turning west until at Union Rd it runs roughly east-west until at Stanhill the same road runs in a North-West direction (towards Blackburn). I don't know therefore, what is above and what is below.

The Black Dog is some distance away from the lamp and is far closer to the old, alternative route between Ossy/Stanhill and Church (parts of that route still being a public footpath) so if you're now suggesting that the original site of the lamp was by the Dog then that complicates things even further.

Bob Dobson 26-09-2011 21:09
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I am saying that the early inhabitants chose to call the Church side of the lamp 'below' and the Stanhill side 'above'. I can see logic in this despite what the compass tells.
I am not suggesting that there was an early/original lamp at the Black Dog. I used that pub so that readers could picture what I was describing. I do think, without checking, that the Black Dog is at a higher point above sea level than the railway station and if so, folk would need to walk up to the Dog and down to the railway from the library.

Wynonie Harris 26-09-2011 21:13
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Having mixed with many Gobbiners during numerous visits to the Stop & Rest with my old fella back in the day, my understanding of the situation is this - "above" the lamp means the area from the library to Stanhill which is Gobbinland. "Below" the lamp is the area from the library to Church which isn't.

garinda 26-09-2011 21:41
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Albert Wilkinson/Mike Booth place the site of the lamp near where the library is now, and suggest a reason as to why those who lived above were Gobbiners. Though they offer no photographic evidence.

Why we're so very proud to be Gobbins! (From The Bolton News)

People still refer to the top and bottom of Ossy.

That's because of the mainly dowhill gradient, from Moor End down to Church.

Local myth is that the meandering route of the main road was laid down after following the path of a runaway pig.

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garinda 26-09-2011 22:25
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Probably, because Union Road does have many twists and turns, because the lamps near where the library is now, are on a relatively straight stretch, visible from the bottom of Tinker Brew, they would be a major focal point, and an easy place for locals to place a mythical boundary.

Some great photographs of the gas lamps, sited where the library garden now ends.

http://lanternimages.lancashire.gov....67&r=2&t=4&x=1

http://lanternimages.lancashire.gov....36&r=2&t=4&x=1

Lancashire Lantern

Tealeaf 27-09-2011 07:24
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It seems to me that those lamps are no more than an ornate decoration to the library, built with Mr Carnegie's money, in 1913 (if I recall correctly). Yet the inference is that the term 'Gobbiner' is far older than that (nineteenth, possibly eighteenth century) so I cannot see where the lamp connection is coming from, unless, of course, at some point in time there was another lamp which have served as a boundary marker or for some other use.

garinda 27-09-2011 07:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 936163)
It seems to me that those lamps are no more than an ornate decoration to the library, built with Mr Carnegie's money, in 1913 (if I recall correctly). Yet the inference is that the term 'Gobbiner' is far older than that (nineteenth, possibly eighteenth century) so I cannot see where the lamp connection is coming from, unless, of course, at some point in time there was another lamp which have served as a boundary marker or for some other use.
It was actually 1915, that the library was opened.

I was always told by the people who remembered what was there before the Carnegie library, that this is where the 'owd lamp' was situated. Though as Bob said earlier, there's no photographic evidence turned up...yet.

garinda 27-09-2011 07:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 936163)
It seems to me that those lamps are no more than an ornate decoration to the library, built with Mr Carnegie's money, in 1913 (if I recall correctly). Yet the inference is that the term 'Gobbiner' is far older than that (nineteenth, possibly eighteenth century) so I cannot see where the lamp connection is coming from, unless, of course, at some point in time there was another lamp which have served as a boundary marker or for some other use.
I agree the term Gobbiner predates the library lamps, and perhaps even any street lamp, which were used as a mythical marker to divide the town.

It's highly doubtful the term goes back to the eighteenth century. As most of the town wasn't built then. The mines weren't opened until the 1840s, and the town before then was centred around the Straits, before the rapid expansion of new houses that were built from the 1860's onwards for the people who came to work in jobs associated with the textile mills.

Bob Dobson 27-09-2011 08:22
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It is likely that the first lamp would be gas-fired,and when it was installed it would be viewed as a major step forward by the townsfolk.I haven't time to look at David Hogg's books on Ossie, but the date of the coming of town gas may well be in there.

A run-away pig? Never heard this but like it. However,. more likely to be a rabbit, as Union Rd was called Warren Lane before the name Union was adopted, probably to celebrate the joining with other townships in the Blackburn Poor-Law Union.

jaysay 27-09-2011 08:58
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 936112)
Having mixed with many Gobbiners during numerous visits to the Stop & Rest with my old fella back in the day, my understanding of the situation is this - "above" the lamp means the area from the library to Stanhill which is Gobbinland. "Below" the lamp is the area from the library to Church which isn't.
Thing that is a very good description of a Gobbin Wyn, maybe you could explain in a little plainer English, which could, maybe, enable Tealeaf to grasp it, but I won't be holding my breath:D

Tealeaf 27-09-2011 09:19
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 936173)
I agree the term Gobbiner predates the library lamps, and perhaps even any street lamp, which were used as a mythical marker to divide the town.
The problem is the term 'Gobbin' - meaning someone thick - is a generic (Lancastrian) dialect word and as as such is not just applicable to the dwellers of Ossy (however much as an apt description). I don't know how far back it goes - nor it's scource. It may be an invention of the early industrial revolution (which in North East Lancashire's case is 18C, not 19C) or it may go back well further than that - maybe early English, maybe Scandavian in origin.

Therefore we can't stick a time line in there and say 'Lamp - 1915 - Gobbiner ' or even 'Lamp - 1850 - Gobbiner'.

jaysay 27-09-2011 09:23
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Well I'm not really all that bothered where the demarcation line is between Gobbiners and none Gobbiners really, just make sure where the boundary is that separates us from Church:D

Gayle 27-09-2011 11:37
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I was told that 'gobbin' is the name for a small sliver of coal. As the truck carrying the coal went through town there were little slivers of coal which would fall off the truck. The really poor people would pick these up because they couldn't afford to buy coal. They became 'Gobbiners' and therefore 'Gobbiners' came synonymous with poor and badly educated folk.

I was also told that the 'big lamp' is in that position because it marks the top of the last mine that was closed in Ossy.

MargaretR 27-09-2011 11:47
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I have websearched Town Bent colliery.
The carts of gobbins travelled to the top of New Lane and down through the town past the lamp. So the site of the lamp could not have been the 'last colliery that was closed'

Bob Dobson 27-09-2011 12:20
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In coal mines, the 'gob' is an area close to the coal face which has been excavated then filled with the rock taken from aboive and below the coal seam. I reject the notion that this nicknames for Ossie residents is linked to that, as there are very few nicknames for Lancashsire townsfolk which are industry-linked, but lots of examples of words like gobbin & gawby being used as terms of derision for inhabitants who are perceived by others as being simpletons. There are several examples of 'big lamps' being used in the nicknaming process, and two of them are actually called ;The Gawmless'.

garinda 27-09-2011 16:01
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How embarrassing.

The name Gobbiner's likely derived from old French.

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/reposit...french-077.gif

gobbin v • [Cf..Engl dial gubbins fragments]

gubbins [ˈgʌbɪnz]n Informal
1. an object of little or no value
2. a small device or gadget
3. odds and ends; litter or rubbish
4. a silly person[C16 (meaning: fragments): from obsolete gobbon, probably related to gobbet]

gobbon noun.LME-L16.
[Old French, app. rel. to gobbe and gobet: see GOB noun1, GOBBET noun. Cf. GUBBIN.]
A piece, a slice, a gobbet; a gob of slimy material.

jaysay 27-09-2011 17:39
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 936254)
How embarrassing.

The name Gobbiner's likely derived from old French.

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/reposit...french-077.gif

gobbin v • [Cf..Engl dial gubbins fragments]

gubbins [ˈgʌbɪnz]n Informal
1. an object of little or no value
2. a small device or gadget
3. odds and ends; litter or rubbish
4. a silly person[C16 (meaning: fragments): from obsolete gobbon, probably related to gobbet]

gobbon noun.LME-L16.
[Old French, app. rel. to gobbe and gobet: see GOB noun1, GOBBET noun. Cf. GUBBIN.]
A piece, a slice, a gobbet; a gob of slimy material.
Wasn't Tealeaf born Roe Greave Road;)

Neil 27-09-2011 20:18
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 936191)
Well I'm not really all that bothered where the demarcation line is between Gobbiners and none Gobbiners really, just make sure where the boundary is that separates us from Church:D
Is Church below the lamp then? :D

garinda 27-09-2011 20:46
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 936260)
Wasn't Tealeaf born Roe Greave Road;)
I heard he was found in an old banana crate, floating in some bull rushes, by the side of the canal.

http://www.msgking.com/wp-content/up...2/monkeys4.gif

Wynonie Harris 27-09-2011 20:48
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Coincidentally enough, I was sitting there this morning consuming a large sausage barmcake purchased from Martins, esteemed family bakers, ;) when I noticed what looked like a set of stocks. Is this where non-Gobbiners were pelted with lumps of coal by their Gobbiner neighbours?

MargaretR 27-09-2011 21:09
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 936325)
Coincidentally enough, I was sitting there this morning consuming a large sausage barmcake purchased from Martins, esteemed family bakers, ;) when I noticed what looked like a set of stocks. Is this where non-Gobbiners were pelted with lumps of coal by their Gobbiner neighbours?
In my childhood in the 40s the stocks were in Rhyddings Park - we used to play on them - don't know where they are now (I don't get out to look)

garinda 27-09-2011 21:11
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 936325)
Coincidentally enough, I was sitting there this morning consuming a large sausage barmcake purchased from Martins, esteemed family bakers, ;) when I noticed what looked like a set of stocks. Is this where non-Gobbiners were pelted with lumps of coal by their Gobbiner neighbours?
I used to look bewildered when I worked there as a nipper, and someone asked for a 'barm cake'.

I still view it as a suspiciously foreign Accy word.

Hope you enjoyed your sausage teacake.

:D

We were talking about the stocks today.
I think they are just Victorian whimsey, and were never used.

Though since they're there, never say never.

Seems a shame if they're never used for their intended purpose.

:rolleyes::D

garinda 27-09-2011 21:16
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 936336)
In my childhood in the 40s the stocks were in Rhyddings Park - we used to play on them - don't know where they are now (I don't get out to look)
They're at the end of the little library garden.

Where were they in the park?

They appeared at the library in the mid seventies, due to the intervention of the Ossy Civic Society. (Benita Moore, Winnie Hogan, and Cllr. Roberts.)

Wynonie Harris 27-09-2011 21:22
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 936339)
I used to look bewildered when I worked there as a nipper, and someone asked for a 'barm cake'.

I still view it as a suspiciously foreign Accy word.

Hope you enjoyed your sausage teacake.

:D

We were talking about the stocks today.
I think they are just Victorian whimsey, and were never used.

Though since they're there, never say never.

Seems a shame if they're never used for their intended purpose.

:rolleyes::D
I'll have to be honest with you, Gary, that's the first time I've ever been in the shop in my life. However, the barmcake was excellent - a veritable prince amongst sausage barmcakes - and excellent value at £1.85. Nice, friendly service too. I shall be returning!

As for the stocks, any suggestions? ;)

garinda 27-09-2011 21:30
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 936344)
I'll have to be honest with you, Gary, that's the first time I've ever been in the shop in my life. However, the barmcake was excellent - a veritable prince amongst sausage barmcakes - and excellent value at £1.85. Nice, friendly service too. I shall be returning!

As for the stocks, any suggestions? ;)
Glad you enjoyed it.

There's no cabaret there on Tuesdays.

It's my mum's day off.

:D

Since Margaret mentioned they used to be up Rhyddings park, I'm more than ever inclined to believe they're the product of a Victorian industrialist's whimsical imagination, along with the folly, and the cannon that used to be there too.

Who would I happily see sat in 'em?

Me!

Free fruit and veg?

Bring it on.

:D

jaysay 28-09-2011 09:16
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 936336)
In my childhood in the 40s the stocks were in Rhyddings Park - we used to play on them - don't know where they are now (I don't get out to look)
Ya I remember them being there too Margaret, next to the sand pit, I actually thought I saw them in the library gardens whilst I've been out this summer and this has been confirmed by Wyn

jaysay 28-09-2011 09:18
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 936344)
I'll have to be honest with you, Gary, that's the first time I've ever been in the shop in my life. However, the barmcake was excellent - a veritable prince amongst sausage barmcakes - and excellent value at £1.85. Nice, friendly service too. I shall be returning!

As for the stocks, any suggestions? ;)
Ya somewhere for Tealeaf to sit when he visits Ossy:rolleyes::D

MargaretR 28-09-2011 09:26
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 936408)
Ya I remember them being there too Margaret, next to the sand pit, I actually thought I saw them in the library gardens whilst I've been out this summer and this has been confirmed by Wyn
I was in Rhyddings Park 3 years ago and noticed the sand pit had gone.
For persons who want to know precice location - it was on the opposite side of the path to the place where the playground has been built.

jaysay 28-09-2011 09:37
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 936415)
I was in Rhyddings Park 3 years ago and noticed the sand pit had gone.
For persons who want to know precice location - it was on the opposite side of the path to the place where the playground has been built.
Spent some happy hours in the sand pit when I was very young, seems sad that time have changed so that a sand pit is no longer considered an attraction for young kids

MargaretR 28-09-2011 09:40
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 936418)
Spent some happy hours in the sand pit when I was very young, seems sad that time have changed so that a sand pit is no longer considered an attraction for young kids
It wasn't really an ideal play item because some lads peed in it to simulate moats around sand castles.

Neil 28-09-2011 12:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 936415)
I was in Rhyddings Park 3 years ago and noticed the sand pit had gone.
For persons who want to know precice location - it was on the opposite side of the path to the place where the playground has been built.
You need to get out more its not been there for a loooong time :D

Bee 28-09-2011 13:06
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Here are the "move the lamp" LET Pages;
'Leave lamp alone' (From Lancashire Telegraph)
&
Ossie's Gobbin Lamp will stay put (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Bob Dobson 28-09-2011 18:21
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 936421)
It wasn't really an ideal play item because some lads peed in it to simulate moats around sand castles.
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How would you know that if you hadn't been watching and observing 'out of interest'?.

Gayle 29-09-2011 21:03
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 936344)
As for the stocks, any suggestions? ;)
I have a few suggestions for you but I'd probably get in trouble if I named names. Yes, you know who you are!!!! ;)

jaysay 30-09-2011 09:05
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 936787)
I have a few suggestions for you but I'd probably get in trouble if I named names. Yes, you know who you are!!!! ;)
Not friends with Neil anymore Gayle:D:D

Gayle 30-09-2011 10:19
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 936852)
Not friends with Neil anymore Gayle:D:D

Ha ha, no that would just be for fun. :D:D

jaysay 30-09-2011 10:32
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 936869)
Ha ha, no that would just be for fun. :D:D
Let me know if its happening and I'll move heaven and earth to be there:D:D:D

mobertol 12-10-2011 20:36
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"An Ossie "Gobbin"

...wasn't a simpleton as people seem to think.

"Gobbin" comes from the material found at Town Bent.When the Irish navvies were laying the main road through Oswaldtwistle they ran out of road material just at the lamp which stood where the library is. The irishmen found this other material at Town Bent and they called it "Gobbin". And now anyone who comes from above the lamp comes from "Gobbin Land" and is affectionately known as a "Gobbiner".

The Oswaldtwistle clog-dancers have a dance called the Gobbiner's Jig and two other dances they perform are The Ossie Jig and The Oswaldtwistle Hornpipe.
Oswaldtwistle is split into four; Top End (Gobbin Land), Bottom End (Below Lamp), West End and Stanhill. Each section of people are proud of their own area but they are even more proud that they all come from Oswaldtwistle itself."

This information was given to Benita Moore by an old man who has since died. Extract from her book: Lancashire Lives, 1990.

jaysay 13-10-2011 09:20
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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 939570)
"An Ossie "Gobbin"

...wasn't a simpleton as people seem to think.

"Gobbin" comes from the material found at Town Bent.When the Irish navvies were laying the main road through Oswaldtwistle they ran out of road material just at the lamp which stood where the library is. The irishmen found this other material at Town Bent and they called it "Gobbin". And now anyone who comes from above the lamp comes from "Gobbin Land" and is affectionately known as a "Gobbiner".

The Oswaldtwistle clog-dancers have a dance called the Gobbiner's Jig and two other dances they perform are The Ossie Jig and The Oswaldtwistle Hornpipe.
Oswaldtwistle is split into four; Top End (Gobbin Land), Bottom End (Below Lamp), West End and Stanhill. Each section of people are proud of their own area but they are even more proud that they all come from Oswaldtwistle itself."

This information was given to Benita Moore by an old man who has since died. Extract from her book: Lancashire Lives, 1990.
I have the book mobertol, if I remember it was published by our own Bob Dobson, sadly Benita is no longer with us either

Bob Dobson 13-10-2011 09:34
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I distance myself totally from the myth about the navvies and the Town Bent material. I repeat what I wrote earlier - a gobbin is a simpleton., Couldn't be simpler. If you don't understand that, you're a gobbin.

I like the Ossie cloggers paragraph.

MargaretR 13-10-2011 09:40
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I suppose when you publish a book there is no guarantee that what the author wrote is accurate, and you are not required to check that it is.

mobertol 13-10-2011 11:49
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 939633)
I have the book mobertol, if I remember it was published by our own Bob Dobson, sadly Benita is no longer with us either
It's pubblished by Carnegie Pubblishing Ltd. of Preston -my copy is signed and was given to me by Benita as a Xmas present, she was a family friend. There is a foreward by the then Hyndburn District librarian, Brian Ashton -no mention of Bob Dobson as far as I can see Jay.

It is sub-titled "Interviews with and tales of some interesting folk from Hyndburn and the Ribble valley."

For those interested in Ossie there are interviews with:
The Duckett brothers -builders who lived in Fielding lane.
Harry Godbold from Miller Close (aged 93 back in 1990)
Bill Salmon ex-coalman from Ossie
Jack Holmes a retired miner
Jimmy Stephenson, past-owner of Ossie's "Potato Pie Shop".

A little annecdote which i like is the following:
A retired school-teacher's remeniscence. He'd taught in a local school and had given the children a list of words to choose from and told them to write a sentence using any one of the words. One of the words was "comfort", he was amused to find a little boy who had written:
"I've comfort rent" (I've cum fer t'rent).
I wonder if the little boy was a certain John from Ossie who is well known for his spelling feats even today!:D

mobertol 13-10-2011 12:05
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 939642)
I suppose when you publish a book there is no guarantee that what the author wrote is accurate, and you are not required to check that it is.
The book was written from recordings made by Benita Moore when she talked to old folks from the Hyndburn area.
It is an attempt to record and preserve people's recollections through oral history. The accuracy of the recollections depends on the person telling their tale.
It contains details of the local dialect, folk songs, crafts, trades and industries, descriptions of all areas of local lives and physical descriptions of places as they were in the early part of the Twentieth century, some of which no longer exist.
There are also some great photos -one of James St. Working men's Club in Ossie which was apparently known as the "Tin Hut"

jaysay 13-10-2011 18:00
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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 939666)
It's pubblished by Carnegie Pubblishing Ltd. of Preston -my copy is signed and was given to me by Benita as a Xmas present, she was a family friend. There is a foreward by the then Hyndburn District librarian, Brian Ashton -no mention of Bob Dobson as far as I can see Jay.

It is sub-titled "Interviews with and tales of some interesting folk from Hyndburn and the Ribble valley."

For those interested in Ossie there are interviews with:
The Duckett brothers -builders who lived in Fielding lane.
Harry Godbold from Miller Close (aged 93 back in 1990)
Bill Salmon ex-coalman from Ossie
Jack Holmes a retired miner
Jimmy Stephenson, past-owner of Ossie's "Potato Pie Shop".

A little annecdote which i like is the following:
A retired school-teacher's remeniscence. He'd taught in a local school and had given the children a list of words to choose from and told them to write a sentence using any one of the words. One of the words was "comfort", he was amused to find a little boy who had written:
"I've comfort rent" (I've cum fer t'rent).
I wonder if the little boy was a certain John from Ossie who is well known for his spelling feats even today!:D
Na couldn't be me was never a little boy:rolleyes::D

I knew Bill Salmon, his grandson is the proprietor of Hyndburn Cars (Taxies), The Duckett brothers were both in St Mary's Amateurs in the early days, and Jim Stevenson was a regular in the Stop and Rest, sadly all are now deceased. I'm nearly sure Bob did publish a book my Benita

Oh yes mobertol, just have a quick shufty at your original post, the spelling is very interesting to say the least;)

Bob Dobson 13-10-2011 18:10
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I did publish a Benita book - A Lancashiore Look. It was about her job on a mobile library in the outlying villages such as Hoddlesdon. The book I wrote which mentions Gobbins was 'Lancashire Nicknames & Sayings'. In the second edition I corrected what I had said in the first edition as to the location of the Big Lamp.
They broke the mould when Benita was born.She was a genuiine 'one-off'

jaysay 13-10-2011 18:18
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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 939706)
I did publish a Benita book - A Lancashiore Look. It was about her job on a mobile library in the outlying villages such as Hoddlesdon. The book I wrote which mentions Gobbins was 'Lancashire Nicknames & Sayings'. In the second edition I corrected what I had said in the first edition as to the location of the Big Lamp.
They broke the mould when Benita was born.She was a genuiine 'one-off'
I though you published a book for Benita Bob, because I doubt I would have had it, as you know I've bought quite a few of your publications, and your certainly right about Benita a very special genuine person a one off as you said

mobertol 13-10-2011 19:28
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Before the Lancashire Lives book i have, Benita wrote one called "Gobbin Tales" -I don't have it unfortunately -perhaps someone else on here does...Undoubtedly it's about Ossie from the title.

As to my spelling in the first post Jay -i don't see it -perhaps it's the rose-tinted lenses i like to wear...next week I'm off for an eye test -yet again. I will not hide the fact that i wear specs since the age of 2 (after measles damaged my eyes unfortunately).

Glad you remember some of the characters she writes about - she was certainly one on her own, shows the book has some relevance...In any case whenever i'm next in your neck of the woods i'll be sure to bring it with me and we can perhaps look it over together! I'll look forward to that day...:D

anzac 13-10-2011 20:00
Re: The Gobbin Lamp
 
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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 939726)
Before the Lancashire Lives book i have, Benita wrote one called "Gobbin Tales" -I don't have it unfortunately -perhaps someone else on here does...Undoubtedly it's about Ossie from the title.

As to my spelling in the first post Jay -i don't see it -perhaps it's the rose-tinted lenses i like to wear...next week I'm off for an eye test -yet again. I will not hide the fact that i wear specs since the age of 2 (after measles damaged my eyes unfortunately).

Glad you remember some of the characters she writes about - she was certainly one on her own, shows the book has some relevance...In any case whenever i'm next in your neck of the woods i'll be sure to bring it with me and we can perhaps look it over together! I'll look forward to that day...:D
I picked up 2 copies of Gobbin Tales recently in a charity shop in accrington for the pricely sum of 50p each. Very interesting books about the people who lived in Oswaldtwistle.

jaysay 14-10-2011 09:38
Re: The Gobbin Lamp
 
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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 939726)
Before the Lancashire Lives book i have, Benita wrote one called "Gobbin Tales" -I don't have it unfortunately -perhaps someone else on here does...Undoubtedly it's about Ossie from the title.

As to my spelling in the first post Jay -i don't see it -perhaps it's the rose-tinted lenses i like to wear...next week I'm off for an eye test -yet again. I will not hide the fact that i wear specs since the age of 2 (after measles damaged my eyes unfortunately).

Glad you remember some of the characters she writes about - she was certainly one on her own, shows the book has some relevance...In any case whenever i'm next in your neck of the woods i'll be sure to bring it with me and we can perhaps look it over together! I'll look forward to that day...:D
Ya didn't see the mistakes um, that's usually my excuse,:D Gobbin Tales is the one I have somewhere and its still for sale on the interenet


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