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Does anyone know anything about the two horses tethered up at the front of Wordsworth Close.? They have been outside in all weather for a few weeks. I see them on my way to work every day. Surely they should be in some sort of shelter in this weather, it's snowing and blowing a gale as I type, poor things.!

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Is it possible they belong to travellers/gypsies? Have they not got any rugs on even? :(

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Hi Sugarmouse, one has a rug on and the other has nothing. I've seen somebody taking food in buckets for them and then go. Think they may be travellers. They look a sorry sight in this weather.

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I've just had a look on the BHS website-having not seen them I can't be 100% sure they fall into the category of horses that should be reported as neglected.

"There are many reasons why a horse or pony should be reported to us. These include:
Significantly underweight or overweight animals
Lack of water or food
Overgrown or poorly-kept hooves
Obviously untreated injury or disease
Poisonous plants in the field
Unsafe field or stable conditions
Abandoned animals
Incorrect tethering...."

What do you think?
I've inboxed you their number-wasn't sure if I'm allowed to post it on here. It's freely available on their website though.

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They don't seem ill or anything, I'm just concerned that they have no shelter at all. Thanks for the inbox message.!

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If they are travellers' horses they're probably used to it.

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HBC have a policy on horses tethered on their land without permission. They serve notice and then have them removed.

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Just back from work so I haven't been able to look in to it yet but thanks for your replies. I'll post how it goes.

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Removing them to Tescos isn't much of an improvement. :rolleyes:

Seriously though, surely one of the animal welfare organisations should have a look see.

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It's blowing a blizzard outside, apparently the coldest March in fifty years, gonna get on this ASAP.

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the RSPCA might be a good idea WL

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is it wise to leave horses unattended so close to a tesco ?

joking aside unless they are having a trough of water left for them i would suggest they dont have water so qualify for neglect

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Just rung the rspca and explained the situation and they have said that as long as someone is tending to and feeding / watering them every day, which I think they are , then the fact that they are outside in the elements won't bother them. She said that a horse can be covered with a layer of snow but they have their own built in temp regulation system. Still feel for them.!

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I always feel sorry for them, too !
If they are travellers horses and/or are mixed breed or a hardy breed that is accustomed to being outside, Susie is right, they will quite possibly be okay outside.
You are right to be concerned though-it's nice to see that other people are concerned. I don't suppose you got close enough to see if their hooves were healthy or that they didn't have visible injuries or were underweight?

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They look okay, not underweight, I couldn't see their hooves as they are on grass so I'm hoping they are going to be alright. Still think they should have some shelter though.

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Possibly they are the same two horses that were tethered on the field bordered by Fairfield St. and Coal Pit Lane about a year ago .

Children play on the field and there were health concerns for them .

It took some time to have them removed because of lack of knowledge as to who were owners of the field .

I know that Cllr Pam Barton was involved with trying to solve the problem . She may be able to offer advice , and I am sure she would reply to any e-mail from those concerned about the present situation .

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Sorry , should have given you this link if it helps :-
Councillors - Pam Barton

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I once had stayed the night at my friend's flat, went outside in the morning to sit and read the paper and there was this horse nuzzling into me all of a sudden!

The flats had a communal grassy area all around them that was enclosed by a fence so I guess some travellers had decided to dump their two horses there whilst they weren't needing them.
They were both very placid and friendly-I was able to check them over and they seemed healthy if a bit scruffy. but I did feel sorry for them. Whoever put them there obviously didn't care much for their welfare, it wasn't a nice area and some unsavoury characters lived in those flats..

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it had a happy ending t hough Sugarmouse...the horse got to nuzle you and you checked it over...so not all bad eh?

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Yes I think so :)
It happens quite a lot near where I'm from-horses tethered in random places. These weren't tethered though . I like to think that their lovely temperaments meant that they must have been generally well treated. :)
I gave them fresh water and a few treats. Was slightly tempted to steal them!

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Where would you put them?. In your campervan?

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That's just it! I don't want them moved just for the sake of it. , I was concerned about them being outside in all weather's. But, as someone has mentioned recently the Dartmoor ponies live outside all year long in all sorts of adverse weather. I hope they are okay and that the weather warms up soon for them.

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Damn I never did think of that. Could have turned it into a horsebox :)

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They should never have been left there fouling up the land where kids play. I hope notice has been served and they are removed soon.

Why notice needs to be served must be some stupid legal thing, I think they should just take away any horse tethered on land without the owners permission

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Spot on, theres too much namby pambying about these days wi complete wasters.:(

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Ya Neil could never understand why HBCs hands were tied when moving gypsies on, it took around 2 to 3 days to get an injunction, but was only for that one site on that day they could move somewhere else and park up without any problems, a nonsense if you ask me.

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That's the fault of the courts not the Council though. I know for a fact they work as fast as they are allowed to by law.

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I know that Neil, wasn't having a pop at HBC for once, its the law that's a nonsense and not fit for purpose:(

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As a Ward Councillor I tried to get help from the RSPCA when a horse was tethered in poor conditions at the rear of Stone Bridge Lane & Catlow Hall Street, Oswaldtwistle. Several residents felt sorry for the horse and were feeding it. The RSPCA were not at all sympathetic. They said that the residents should stop feeding it as otherwise it was not possible to assess the conditions under which the horse was kept. I was later told that HAPPA, a horse charity whose nearest branch is in in Burnley, checked on the horse every few weeks. I wasn't satisfied with the response I received. One older lady who was feeding the horse was so worried about it that she could hardly sleep at night.

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Can you blame the RSPCA for not wanting to get involved? They know who will own the horse just like everyone else does who sees them tethered about the Borough.
As a Local Councillor you must have heard about the problems HBC have had when they try and remove horses. Even the Police don't want to be involved

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The RSPCA in my opinion will only act fast if they are on the telly or you tell them it is very urgent as the animal is in pain. About 2 years me and several other people contacted the RSPCA on a lot of occasions about a border collie kept in a " rabbit hutch" for want of a better description .The wooden box was less than 2 ft square with a 6 inch square piece of netting in the front. It was when we had two or three hot days together and the dog had no access to water or food and was lying in it's own muck. I checked on this dog every day .It was on a track parallel with the A56 Accy By pass.I checked on this dog every day as we walked that way. Eventually, ONE Saturday morning it had managed to get it's nose out and the netting was very near getting into it's eyes. I rang the RSPCA from there and gave them directions. When I got home an inspector was waiting for me. I went up with her in her van and she was disgusted. What happened from there I do not know.

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I often watch programs on Animal Planet which follow Americas equivalent of our RAPCA, these people don't stand any messing what-so-ever, they are also armed and have powers of arrest, if they find animals are being miss treated in any way, people regularly get jailed for animal cruelty

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sorry wrong thread

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The RSPCA have not got the same powers of our American cousins If they had we might not get as much animal cruelty

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http://www.4smileys.com/smileys/viol...it-smileys.gif They don't mess about Frank, they deal it out in spades if you treat animals bad

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Hi i know its awful seeing those poor horses in this weather.not only that countless times ive shouted at heartless kids for throwing things and winding them up.ive seen a man at times moving them round..the field is full of 'crop circles now.lol:)

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I've seen them getting jumpy when the local numpties decide to race their motorbikes around. Also, well done for solving the mystery of crop circles.!

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Its not the circles that bother me, its the mess the horses leave behind making the area unusable by the rest of us.

I still say they should be removed as soon as they are left somewhere without permission. The owner should have to pay a large fine and the cost of removing and housing the horse. If they haven't paid after 7 days then its burger time.

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Quite right Neil, if people don't have their own land to graze horses they shouldn't keep them. By putting them out to graze on public lands is not only disrespectful to other people who may want to use this land, but as you say they also leave a mess behind them too:(

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Was it last year 2 horses were on that land on Fairfield Street?
I am told it stunk when they finally went making it unusable by the kids.

I would be interested to know what illegal horses cost HBC each year and if they spent that money on keeping the grass short would it stop the grazing problem.

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Very interesting Neil, maybe our council mouth piece can let us know;)

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That used to be you :p

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You always got the right info though:rolleyes:

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Yes , that's correct . I referred to it in #16 .

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Dream on yeh clown.:D

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Give me that cashy if I didn't dream life would be a mere fog waiting for a wind to blow through,http://www.4smileys.com/smileys/craz...ie_iek_104.gif

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Or should that be cr@p circles?

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Just a note to let you know the ponies have now moved back to the field opposite Whiteash school. Although one of them was seen inside the grounds of the school the other day.! Cheeky buggers.!

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yep, still tethered inside the school, no wonder travellers are so popular