Robert Peel
 

My dad always told me that Robert Peel was born in Oswaldtwistle in the house off the road up the top of Stanhill. (On the right opposite Kemp Delph but a bit further on). All the history books/sites tell me it was Bury instead!! Anybody sort this one out?

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Hope this helps

Robert Peel

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think your Dad is getting him mixed up with James Hargreaves the chap who invented the spinning jenny
Spinning Jenny - James Hargreaves

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The manor belongs to Sir Robert Peel, Bart. Peelfold, where the first Sir Robert Peel spent his early years, is in Knuzden-Brook. Bellthorn House, Stanhill House, Knuzden Hall, and Mount Pleasant are chief re-sidences.

GENUKI: Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire genealogy

I always thought his family lived only at Peel Fold, but your Dad may be right with a Stanhill connection.

In the C18th a Gothic horror writer lived in Stanhill Hall, but whose name escapes me.

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The Peels are said to have come to Blackburn from Craven (fn. 15) about 1600 and engaged in the cloth trade. (fn. 16) Robert Peel in 1731 purchased an estate in Oswaldtwistle, known then as Oldham's Cross, (fn. 17) and since as Peel Fold. His grandson Robert (1723–95), while farming in Blackburn, was led to join a calico-printing business, and invented a process of block-printing; he made other improvements and greatly extended his business. Riots and factory-wrecking caused him to move to Burton-on-Trent, but on retiring he lived at Ardwick. The descendants of his eldest son William still own Peel Fold. The third son was the above-named Sir Robert Peel, created a baronet in 1800. (fn. 18)
From: 'Townships: Oswaldtwistle', A History of the County of Lancaster: Volume 6 (1911), pp. 404-09. URL: Townships: Oswaldtwistle | British History Online. Date accessed: 11 June 2007.

Townships: Oswaldtwistle | British History Online

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Whoever he/she is, it's a good job they don't live there now. After all the sheenanigans over the teacher at St Christopher's, they'd probably be hounded out of the area!

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We're a nice tolerant bunch in Stanhill, Wynonie!
I didn't know about the gothic horror writer, but Moorwell Mansion House in William Westall's "The Old Factory" is supposedly modelled on Stanhill Hall.
James Hargreaves invented the Spinning Jenny is what was Stanhill Post Office.

Stanleybabe :)

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i live in the village where sir robert peel is buried he is in the vaults with all the peels drayton bassett near tamworth staffs

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It seems there may be more than one famous robert peel, the robert peel - bury connection is the robert peel who founded the police force, hence the early name for policemen being 'peelers', there is a statue of this robert peel on the wylde in bury.

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Sir Robert's grandfather, also Robert Peel, was born at Peel Fold in Oswaldtwistle, before moving down market to Bury.:D

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I thought Robert Peel was the reason they were called 'Bobbies'

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It is. Sir Robert Peel, grandson of the Ossy born Robert 'Parsley' Peel.

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That is also true Gayle.

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i thought they were originally called peelers
after robert peel :confused:

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yes its the same buried at drayton bassett church the peel family home was drayton manor now a pleasure park he was prime minster for queen victoria and started the police i/e peelers or bobbies the last peel died in the 2nd world war at sea in the royal navy. he was the last in the line

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The following account was written almost 150-years ago, and gives a contemporary picture of the Peel Family, as published in Hoggs' Instructor in the Autumn of 1852, within two years of the death of Prime Minister Peel.

The Peel Family

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Thanks for the link

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Had never heard of this local connection.

Wonderful article - shows what a chage there has been from the age where Britain was becoming "Great" to the debacle of todays British "Statesmen".

What a change in values!

PM Robert Peel's Father said of his own father: "... he so accurately appreciated the importance of commercial wealth in a national point of view, that he was often heard to say, that the gains to the individual were small compared with the national gain arising from trade."

"Seest thou a man diligent in his business, said he,
he shall stand before kings."


No nepotism, in favour of manufacturing and trade in the National interest, personal gain not a prime concern...I wonder where and at what point these values fell along the wayside.

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Hard to say.

Harder still, to admit they did.

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Sorry to go so far off thread!

19th century Great Britain become the first global economic superpower, because of superior manufacturing technology and improved global communications.

Globalisation is probably at the root of any loss in nationalistic and human values, there are some who believe that the current recession which is hitting the industrialised world will eventually lead to a de-globalisation e.g. the possible break-down of the Eurozone, and a return to Nationalistic principles.

The past has always shown that any Empire which over-stretches itself eventually implodes.

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Garinda have you got this photo ?

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Thanks very much, I have seen that photograph. I saw it on the Lancashire Lantern site.

It's taken from in front of the Methodist Chapel on Nab Lane, looking towards the cottages, just next to where the now demolished Noel's pickle factory stood.

Hargreaves lived in what's now the old post office, and where he's thought to have invented his Spinning Jenny.

Photo of Stanhill, the Post Office c1955 - Francis Frith

I remember it as where I used to buy my sweets, off a nice lady called Doreen.

:D

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Great photo Wadey

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Does anyone know exactly where the Old Tower, was at Peel Fold, and when it must have been demolished?

I know the area fairly well, but from the photograph, can't work out where it's location was.

Lancashire Lantern | Subjects | Item

The only other information states...'This was a land mark for many years but was of no significance other than it was built by Roger Baron of Cabin End who died in 1820.'