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Take a look at these gravestones if your a veggie you now know who to blame

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James Simpson was only 48 when he died. I wonder what he died of.

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Unbalanced diet.

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to the ressurection mourn?
okay?

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No, that's "resurrection morn" as in morning. Meaning that here lies buried (whoever) until the morning of the resurrection. It's not asking people to mourn the death until that day.

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oh okay then
what will be inscriped on your gravestone?

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nice one willow

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I'm not sure that I get the point of this thread. Maybe I am just being a bit slow today, my brain never works well in sub-zero temperatures. Would some kind person kindly explain. And while we are at it, why do all the memorial stones in the pictures appear to be laid on the ground, as though they have been knocked over?

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I put this on on behalf of tealeaf
two of the stones have been knocked over 1 is upright and its the tallest in there
it was just becouse we went for a walk on friday and started out in the church yard
well...... the stag was first port of call

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Don't worry, A-B; we're all getting a little slow. The underlying point of this thread - like most on here - is curiosity and debate. Of the 3 memorials above, the most contentious must surely be that of Simpson. Not only was he the president of the Veggie Society, he was one of the founding members and the first president. In other words, he was the great-granddaddy of all these do-gooding, interfering animal-rights, anti-hunting scumbags that are so busy ruining other peoples lives . Of this arsehole Simpson. then Church can certainly not be proud. Oh, by the way - his monument towers above all the others in the graveyard - typical of the holier than thou attitude of the middle-class liberal rubbish of today.

The sailors headstone lies flat. Note the date though....1919. Royal Naval action in 1919? Against who, and why? I'm surprised you did'nt pick up on that.

The penninsula war veteran headsone may or may not have stood upright. However, it was probably the best preserved headstone in the Church Yard and I am not aware of a similar one in such condition in other churches within Hyndburn, so Mick took the piccy and we stuck it in.

The reason some headstones do lie flat, especially in Church Kirk, is Health & Safety; there was a young girl killed while playing in there about 15 years ago when one of the large uprights went over, so many have now been laid flat, but not Simpson's, which is the first on the right as you go in the entrance.

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The headstone tells us that he was in the navy and that he died in 1919 aged 26, but does it necessarily tell us that he was killed in during some kind of Royal Naval Action? He may well have died in service from something which happened aboard ship. Or he may even have died of wounds received earlier. Possible?

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This won't anwser your question willow but may add a degree of interest for some. I would agree that Able Seaman Eastwood most likely die of his wounds. Perhaps Andrew would have a little more information about this chap. All Rights are those belonging to Andrew Jackson...

"EASTWOOD, Able Seaman F., J/69111 (H.M.S. Bacchante, Royal Navy); s. of Mrs. Margaret Eastwood; d. 14th February 1919 (26); bd. Church (St. James) Churchyard. [3, 15]"

http://www.btinternet.com/~a.jackson/church.htm

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The military gravestone for dear old Fred says he was serving in HMS Bacchante when he died or it would not be on his gravestone.

It does not mention any Naval Action and could have been due to an accident onboard the ship or that he died of a disease.

Any member of HM Forces is entitled to a Military Gravestone if he / she dies whilst serving.

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I don't know much about WWI when it comes to the navy but I have seen memorials dedicated to the 1914-19 war as opposed to 1914-18.

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I can't access his Navy Records as they are only in Micofilm. But look at this web site:

http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/cer...asualty=375602

Commonwealth War Graves Commission web site.

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Action was carried out up to 1919 in NW Russia...Murmansk to be exact, supporting the White Russians against the Bolsheviks! (something similar to HBC)

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Have you seen this bit?

http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/cas...asualty=375602

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just had a nosey through a couple of navel sites, & the h.m.s. bacchante was part of the 9th cruiser squadren in north west africal 1917 till it was sold for scrap in 1920. the later editionn of the bacchante was sold to new zealand & renamed wellington its now out of commision, there have been a few ships of that name .

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Yes I have Willow, its on that site in 2 different formats. But I still can't get any deeper into RN records for 1907-1923.

mez So it's quite likely that he could of died through disease. W. Africa was known as the sailors graveyard due to Yellow fever and Dengue fever. Poor lad!

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No closer to finding any more information about the man, but I thought you might be interested in this shot of the late Able Seaman Eastwoods Ship. H.M.S. Bacchante c. 1914-1920.

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interested in ships have a gander at this its THE LANCASHIRE WITCH,passenger ship of 1863 who took a load of lucky sods to new zealand.http://www.rootsweb.com/~nzlscant/lancashire_witch.htm

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[QUOTE=staggeringman]interested in ships have a gander at this its THE LANCASHIRE WITCH, passenger ship of 1863 who took a load of lucky sods to new zealand.

I your right their Staggeringman, regretably I know a few b****rs that should have been on it, but missed it. lol.

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Dammed interesting Staggeringman.....it would make a great novel or even a film. Lots of follow-on history as well.

Great stuff! :engsmil: :engsmil:

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I was mainly referring to the bit where it describes him as "Commonwealth War Dead"

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I think the title "Commonwealth War Dead" originally was used as a catch-all term so that those that died whilst serving could be buried properly. It was also used to emcompass any other serviceman who died whilst serving in what are described as "minor incidents" between the wars, and after WWII.

The Commonwealth War Graves Commission looks after all graves of those who were buried under that scheme, and I'm not sure if laying down a gravestone (without expressed approval) is against their rules!

Maybe a heads-up to them would result in the re-erection of the gravestone in Church Kirk!! That would set the cat amongst the pigeons!!

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Sadly there are all too many who don't have graves, particularly from WW1. Due to the spread out nature of my mother's family (my granny could run fast when she wasn't pregnant!), I had an uncle, Thomas, who died in 1917 (my mother was born in 1913). There is one anomaly - my uncle was Thomas Pendergast, and there were TWO Thomas Pendergasts who died of wounds around that time. So far as I know, there were very few Pendergasts in Accrington, I thought we were the only ones. I would love to know which was which.

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This might not make much sense because I'm quite woolly today. I think I'm coming down with something. I can't think straight and it's definitely taking me far too long to type a basically simple post.

However, I'll give it a shot.

These two Thomas Pendergasts, are they on the website? Have you checked there for parents names? Your one will be the one with your grandparents as his parents. Or is that too obvious and you've already tried and no parents listed?

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I got that info from a friend who is involved with the Commonwealth War Graves Commission. Andrew Jackson put Uncle Tom onto his website, but I am not sure if he has the Army number. I just wondered who the other one was ....

I will check Andrew's site, and see if I can come up with a definite.

If you're coming down with something - Whisky, hot water, a squeeze of lemon, three cloves, and a teaspoon of honey - it may not cure you, but it tastes good!

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Is there a version without the whiskey? :se_jump:

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Yep - use brandy instead!

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it's interesting what turns up when you ask a few questions:

http://1914-1918.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=26109

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Hi new member here,
but i do like that grave pic of and a quote "Told you i was ill" - pmsl

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