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Atarah 30-10-2010 12:16

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This may help to give you more of an idea. Catlows, as we knew it, would have been at the L.H. corner of the photo, i.e. top of what we know as Broadway, the Slaters Arms would have been at the opposite corner i.e. also top of Broadway.

Retlaw 30-10-2010 12:26

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This may help to give you more of an idea. Catlows, as we knew it, would have been at the L.H. corner of the photo, i.e. top of what we know as Broadway, the Slaters Arms would have been at the opposite corner i.e. also top of Broadway.

And attached is then street plan again.

Retlaw.

katex 30-10-2010 12:56

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Are there any 'photos of the Spring Mill anywhere ? Just can't imagine such a big factory and the Brass Foundry too.

Gremlin 30-10-2010 14:20

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Well at last I can say I know where the Slaters was. Much before my time I am sure.
The old cobble street looks a right good place to get your self black and blue with rolling down it after a few pints. Not to mention black and blue from the shady characters who would probably frequent the place.

Bob Dobson 15-12-2010 19:51

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Back to the reasons for streets being called what they are :- Can anyone come up with why Lydia St is so called? I think I have the answer, but want to consult before declaring it

Marsden St is said to be named after a local family.(1870s) Do we know owt about 'em?

I read an intersting statistic recently - Between 1850 and 1856 there were 62 new streets laid out in Accrington.

Retlaw 15-12-2010 21:20

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Back to the reasons for streets being called what they are :- Can anyone come up with why Lydia St is so called? I think I have the answer, but want to consult before declaring it

Marsden St is said to be named after a local family.(1870s) Do we know owt about 'em?

I read an intersting statistic recently - Between 1850 and 1856 there were 62 new streets laid out in Accrington.

Just checked my 1863 map, it shows the layout for over 70 new streets, most of them are named, including Lydia St & Marsden St.
Those houses in those 70 odd streets weren't built untill the 1890's & 1900's, so who did decide the names for the streets, 20 years or so before the houses were actually built. By the time they were built, the reason for naming could have been long forgotten
The only sure way is old estate plans, which would show the land owners, (very few of those plans still exist).
A lot of the new streets are on what today would be called Green Belt land, as such there would only be a few owners, so trying to give them the names of relatives of those land owners, it just guessing.
I only believe in documentary evidence, I once tried at the clown hall legal offices, they were really unhelpfull.

Some of the street names shown on the map were never used.

Retlaw.

garinda 16-12-2010 07:42

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Back to the reasons for streets being called what they are :- Can anyone come up with why Lydia St is so called? I think I have the answer, but want to consult before declaring it

Marsden St is said to be named after a local family.(1870s) Do we know owt about 'em?

I read an intersting statistic recently - Between 1850 and 1856 there were 62 new streets laid out in Accrington.

Since there are two streets named after daughters of Frederick Steiner, Emma and Lina Street, could Lydia Street have been named after another local woman, who was well known in certain circles, Lydia Ernestine Becker?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ker-51371.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...9pm-52408.html

Tealeaf 16-12-2010 16:04

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The late 19th century Mill owners of Accrington opted to invest in property construction and speculation at the expense of investment in their mills. Much of this investment involved vanity projects, such as naming terraced streets after family members. As such, technology lag led to relative higher costs and the loss of overseas markets when faced with more advanced American competition, resulting in the fast decline of the local textile industry.

A level Economic History. Question 1. Discuss. 25 marks.

Bob Dobson 16-12-2010 16:26

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I think that Lydia Becker appeared on the scene too late to be a nominee for a street name, and her connection with Accrington was not well known.

Retlaw is right - I am guessing. At this time, there is no way of proving the reason for a street name, but I think there is a pattern or method to the namings, and there is often no other explanation.
He is right too in that they were often named 20yrs before the setts went down or the houses built. If hargreaves had known in advance that John carter would be leaving Accrington under a cloud ( of misusing monies given him for a purpose and putting it to his private purposres), I doubt that he would have 'honoured' him with a street name.
He is right too in that some proposed street names either got changed or not used. Amongst them was Highfield St, which woud have been built near the top of Lydia St, Woodnook near to where (Mayor) Eli Higham's house 'Highfield' is. Maybe there's a connection between HIGHam and HIGHfield.


Is Tealeaf quoting something, or writing it himself? If a quote, I'd like to know where it is from. It has the ring of authenticity about it.

Tealeaf 16-12-2010 16:59

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Is Tealeaf quoting something, or writing it himself? If a quote, I'd like to know where it is from. It has the ring of authenticity about it.

I wrote it myself. It boils down to the argument that many self made 19C industrialists took their eye off the ball and instead of maintaining investment in British industries (not just the Lancashire textile industry) decided to spend their money elsewhere, in everything from American railroad stocks through to fake castles in Scotland (think of Bullough).

Possibly someone will write - or has already wrote - a PhD thesis on this theory and how it applies to Accy. I dunno. What is for certain is that there was a massive housing construction boom in most northern mill towns around the latter part of the 19th century, coinciding with new mills being built but those mills contained very little in radically advanced technology from 50 years earlier - think of the standard Lancashire loom and compare it with the stuff the Yanks were starting to build.

So is it a case of the mill owners seeing the writing on the wall, and deciding to invest their money elsewhere, or were they just stupid? Either way, the likes of Accy is still paying the price.

MargaretR 16-12-2010 17:31

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I saw that explanation of the decline of the cotton industry in a TV documentary
...I think it was one of the 'Time to Remember' series, but not sure of that.

Tealeaf 16-12-2010 17:46

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There's nowt new or unique in the explanation in a recent cheap TV documentary - arguments have been made about this going right back to the beginning of the last century and maybe beyond.It's all there in any respectable economic and social history book of the last century. Try some serious reading for a change, instead of what is the latest government UFO coverup.

steve2qec 19-12-2010 14:14

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Hi, can anyone shed any light on this?....I've got my Grandad's WW2 army paybook and inside his address is given as Tremmelling St. was/is there such a street in Accy or did he mis-spell Tremellen?
Thanks,
Steve

Retlaw 19-12-2010 14:35

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Hi, can anyone shed any light on this?....I've got my Grandad's WW2 army paybook and inside his address is given as Tremmelling St. was/is there such a street in Accy or did he mis-spell Tremellen?
Thanks,
Steve

Tremellen St, on Blackburn Rd, near the Old Grammar School.
He didn't write that, but some cloth eared clerk who didn't understand the Lanky dialect. His writing will be where he signed his name. In 1914 very few children had more than a few years education, from the age of 9 or 10 he could have been working in the mill on half time, the other half at school.
Ancestry has hundred of mis-spellings on documents.

Retlaw.

steve2qec 19-12-2010 18:46

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Thanks Retlaw, I thought as much.
Although this was 1938 - when he enlisted in the TA. I think he had a decent education but he was originally from Yorkshire, so who knows!!

JCB 19-12-2010 19:13

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I saw that explanation of the decline of the cotton industry in a TV documentary
...I think it was one of the 'Time to Remember' series, but not sure of that.

Yes I recall the documentary . Even that it was on on a Friday night .

The mill owners were too wedded to the Lanacashire Loom that modernisation passed them by .

steeljack 19-12-2010 20:21

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Yes I recall the documentary . Even that it was on on a Friday night .

The mill owners were too wedded to the Lanacashire Loom that modernisation passed them by .

Not to sure about that , seem to remember my Grandma talking about using Northrop automatic looms , know she used to run 8 looms which I think was normal for a weaver , wether they were 'Lancashire' or 'Automatics' or both ,I dont know.

MargaretR 19-12-2010 21:04

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I remember my dad going for tackler training on Northrop automatics at Whitebirk, and my mother eventually weaving on them, but the whole mill wasn't converted to them.

In that Tv programme I mentioned in an earlier post, the biggest advances in textile machinery were in spinning - and both weaving and spinning technological advances were late being implemented by Lancashire mill owners.

Put simply - the customers found that cotton fabric produced by those advanced machines could be bought cheaper - the market was lost.

cashman 19-12-2010 21:24

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Not to sure about that , seem to remember my Grandma talking about using Northrop automatic looms , know she used to run 8 looms which I think was normal for a weaver , wether they were 'Lancashire' or 'Automatics' or both ,I dont know.

there were automatics around, but in the minority as i remember it. think the owners were too sodding tight to convert em all n missed the boat.:confused:

Bob Dobson 08-01-2011 19:30

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Back to street names: Foster Street is off Burnley Rd, one street down from Pennyhouse Lane/ Queens Rd. In the 1870s(?) a David Foster lived in a house at the corner Foster St & Burnley Rd., so maybe there is a connection there. The Peel family would have given the OK for the street's name, but I don't yet know what the connection with that family is.. I do know that it has nowt to do with Foster's fireplaces, Are there any Fosters in Accrington now who could throw light on this? I imagine that if there are, they will be proud to say that the street is named after their ancestor.

Bob Dobson 22-03-2011 08:17

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Lister Street is one named by Frederick Steiner and is one which shows his family links to the Lister family of Gisburn, one of whom was Baron Ribblesdale. I don't know what the exact relationship was, but I've just learned that, through it, Accrington may have a link to the census system. Thomas Henry Lister (1800-42) was the first Registrar General, and responsible for bringing in our system of civil registration of births, marriages & deaths. . He was also a famed novelist.Apparently, he had 'appalling handwriting'. His brother was the baron.

Atarah 22-03-2011 08:21

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Hmmmm, not too sure about the Lister explanation there Bob. Let me have a think. Something ringing a bell that the connection was something to do with the family solicitors????

Bob Dobson 22-03-2011 09:25

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There is certainly a family connection , but, as always, what cannot bew proved is that Steiner ( nwho owned the land) did name the strteet in honour of that connection. ( I merely suggest that he could have done)

Steiner's grandson, James Frederick Maximilian Hartman ( the family had dropped the second letter n at the end) married the daughter of Sir Thomas Villiers Lister of the Foreign Office.

Atarah 22-06-2011 19:33

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Someone is after finding out how EAGLE STREET in Accrington was so named. Anyone any ideas?

Tealeaf 22-06-2011 19:45

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Remind me - where is Eagle Street? And what are the names of the adjacent streets?

Atarah 22-06-2011 19:53

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Down by the railway station, Cannon Street is off, then Willow Street nearby, THE RAILWAY PUB AT THE BOTTOM tee hee

steve2qec 22-06-2011 20:15

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Maybe to commemorate the capture of a French eagle during the Napoleonic wars?
Probabily not the reason but it would make a good story.

Bob Dobson 23-06-2011 08:37

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Retlaw thinks that the Railway pub was previously called the Spread Eagle. If this were so,then it is easy to link the street name with the pub, and vice versa. It is a possiblity but there is no evidence other than what a census enumerator wrote, to prove the pub's change of name.Thwaites' brewery have failed to respond fully to a request for the deeds to be examined. Equally so, the Spread Eagle pub further along Blackburn Rd has not produced deeds either. It is a question which is going to take a long time to resolve.It would be most unusual for a pub's name to be changed so early in its life, but if the Thwaites family owned land by the railway station before it was built, then they would have influence in the choice of street names. They owned several pubs between the Town Hall and the railway viaduct, thus excluding other breweries.

I have no other suggestions as to why the name was used.

There are Eagle Streets in Blackburn, Nelson & Ossie.

Bob Dobson 07-10-2011 18:37

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Union Rd, Ossie was previously ( I don't know when the change was made) called Warren Lane. I have long thought this was related to rabbit warrens, but I now suspect it had summat to do with the Warren Family, who were Lords of Lower Darwen and held lots of land. I have not yet got them connected with any Ossie land, but it is a possibility. I cannot put my hand on David Hogg's books, which might tell me.

Bob Dobson 02-02-2012 12:18

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I suspect that Monk Street, off Blackburn Rd next to Park Rd & Princess St, is named in honour of William Monk, a leading Methodist in the town and one of the founders of the Mechanics Instituite. He was a self-employed tailor and it may be that he was Frederick Steiner's tailor. Steiner was responsible for the naming of most of the streets between the Church boundary and Frederick St, including Steiner St. as he owned all that land on that side of Blackburn Rd. Most of those streets have been mentioned in earlier postings.

Up Bash, Scott Ave is named in honour of George Scott, who farmed White Croft Farm, where the street is. He got planning permission in 1922. Nearby is Hurstead St, named after Hurstead Farm, Bash, also owned by the Scott family.

As previously mentioned, some streets have been re-named: Poulton Avenue was Moss St until 1925.

Up Bash, there is Haworth St , & Halliwell St. I have long thought that it was Haworth because it overlooked Haworth Park, but I have learned that planning permission for the street was granted to a B Haworth in 1932. Who was he? Likewise, who was J Halliwell, a builder (?) who laid out Halliwell St ?

Bob Dobson 02-02-2012 13:22

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I suspect that Monk Street, off Blackburn Rd next to Park Rd & Princess St, is named in honour of William Monk, a leading Methodist in the town and one of the founders of the Mechanics Instituite. He was a self-employed tailor and it may be that he was Frederick Steiner's tailor. Steiner was responsible for the naming of most of the streets between the Church boundary and Frederick St, including Steiner St. as he owned all that land on that side of Blackburn Rd. Most of those streets have been mentioned in earlier postings.

Up Bash, Scott Ave is named in honour of George Scott, who farmed White Croft Farm, where the street is. He got planning permission in 1922. Nearby is Hurstead St, named after Hurstead Farm, Bash, also owned by the Scott family.

As previously mentioned, some streets have been re-named: Poulton Avenue was Moss St until 1925.

Up Bash, there is Haworth St , & Halliwell St. I have long thought that it was Haworth because it overlooked Haworth Park, but I have learned that planning permission for the street was granted to a B Haworth in 1932. Who was he? Likewise, who was J Halliwell, a builder (?) who laid out Halliwell St ?

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The above should read Haworth AVENUE Thank goodness I spotted it before Atarah got onto me.

Retlaw 02-02-2012 14:47

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The above should read Haworth AVENUE Thank goodness I spotted it before Atarah got onto me.

She'l still get thi because thar associating it With the
HOwArth Park.

Bob Dobson 29-04-2012 20:17

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Now for a street name with Accrington connections but not in Accrington :- In Blackpool there is a Yeadon Way, in Chorley there's a Yeadon Grove and in Skelmersdale there's 'Yeadon' -nowt follows it. These are all named after Accringtonian Harry Yeadon, an Accrington Grammar Schol lad now in his 80s who became Lancashire county's chief surveyor and bridgemaster, a post in which he succeeded Sir James Drake, another AGSOB.

Bob Dobson 14-12-2012 20:59

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Let's walk up Burnley Rd from the bottom.....Bradshaw St East is probably named after Aaron Bradshaw, a consulting engineer born up Stanhill who died 1899 aged 57. He was Briiliant. Amongst other things, he supervised the sinking of Scaitcliffe Pit, worked for Steiner and was on the first town council. His connection with Steiner is why there is a Bradshaw St in Church and a Bradshaw St West near to it, just over the border at the bottom of India St. Atarah tells me that he had a fine house, which he built, at the bottom of Willows Lane. Atarah is due credit for her work on our street names.

Next on the left is Arnold St, named after Arthur Arnold, a Salford MP, who in the 1860s gave assistance, probably to the Peels, which helped the development/improvement of Accrington.Unusually, there is some documentary evidence of this 'reward' - he referred to it in a speech in Accrington c 1884.

Next comes Addison St. I am now of a mind that this has nowt to do with an English man of letters of that name, but may have summat to do with a John Addison, works manager at Broad Oak. He lived in a fine house up Hollins Lane but I cannot find out much more about him. The Peels often rewarded local men with the honour of a street name.

Bob Dobson 16-12-2012 09:21

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The city fathers in Dundee, where the Beano and Dandy were published, have announced that they are naming a new street as Bash St in the Beano's honour.There wil be a children's playschool in it,so those attending will be in The Bash Street Gang.

Barrie Yates 18-12-2012 08:18

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The Bash Street Gang.

Thought that was the AGS Class of '52:D

pifco 07-01-2013 15:33

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Was Peter Street (which no longer exists), named after the builders son or relative, or was it ever called St. Peter Street as it ran off Brown Street opposite the original St. Peter's Chapel and School where Wolstenholme Funeral Service now stands. There are not any other streets in the area with people's names.

Bob Dobson 07-01-2013 15:49

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I cannot come up with a quick answer, Pifco except to say that I don't know. However, I will spend some time on it when next in the library, - later this week hopefully.

Wynonie Harris 07-01-2013 16:57

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the original St. Peter's Chapel and School where Wolstenholme Funeral Service now stands.

I never knew St Peter's School was also a chapel? When was this and which part of the building was the chapel?

Bob Dobson 07-01-2013 17:08

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It was common for a school to be built which incorporated a room to be used as a chapel. St Annes did the same.Educating the children was seen as very importatnt, and so a school was built before a church.

cmonstanley 07-01-2013 17:57

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what was orange street named after:confused:

Retlaw 07-01-2013 18:55

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I never knew St Peter's School was also a chapel? When was this and which part of the building was the chapel?

There are several references to St Peter's School in my WW1 files, also a mention of St Peter's Sunday School, St Peter's Church has a WW1 War Memorial. No locatiion is given for the school.

Bob Dobson 07-01-2013 19:01

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what was orange street named after:confused:


I don't know,but 'Lime' is just across the road. I'll have a look to see if there's a possible link . It is often the case that one landowner owned the land that two streets with similar names ar built on.

In the library is a wooden filing cabinet |( unde the St James St windows) which can be referred to. Atarah started this file going.

pifco 07-01-2013 19:10

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St. Peter's Day School and Sunday School Chapel was opened in June 1876 the size of the building was enlarged as it was being built due to the increase in the local population, which I presume was due to Howard and Bullough's Globe works being built.

Bob Dobson 07-01-2013 19:27

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St. Peter's Day School and Sunday School Chapel was opened in June 1876 the size of the building was enlarged as it was being built due to the increase in the local population, which I presume was due to Howard and Bullough's Globe works being built.


Bullough's was only part of the enormous expansion in the town's population. In an eariler posting, I said how many new streets were laid down in this mid-to-late part of the century. Plenty of work for stonemasons and those in the building trade.

Wynonie Harris 07-01-2013 20:17

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St. Peter's Day School and Sunday School Chapel was opened in June 1876 the size of the building was enlarged as it was being built

That could explain why it was such a strange-looking building, with sections looking like they'd been added on as an afterthought. I'm assuming that as you looked at it from the front, the section on the right, which had twin flights of steps going up to doors which had been permanently shut, was the chapel part?

pifco 07-01-2013 21:28

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I am not too sure about that but the room that was at the back of the building ie ran parallel with the back of Range Street between Eden Street and Brown Street was always known as the Chancel Room. The room behind the door at the top of the twin set of steps was divided from the other rooms by partitions that could be slid back to enable one large room to be used for dances, plays and bazaars etc. If you went in the door at the top of "the slope" which was lower down Willows Lane than the steps the classrooms that were to your left were the infant classrooms which were built out over the playground to form a sheltered part of the playground. This also added to the unusual shape of the building.

Wynonie Harris 08-01-2013 00:07

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I am not too sure about that but the room that was at the back of the building ie ran parallel with the back of Range Street between Eden Street and Brown Street was always known as the Chancel Room. The room behind the door at the top of the twin set of steps was divided from the other rooms by partitions that could be slid back to enable one large room to be used for dances, plays and bazaars etc. If you went in the door at the top of "the slope" which was lower down Willows Lane than the steps the classrooms that were to your left were the infant classrooms which were built out over the playground to form a sheltered part of the playground. This also added to the unusual shape of the building.

Seem to remember there were a few rooms along the back of the building? I don't recall the term the Chancel Room, but I'm assuming it was the staff room (got summed there a few times for a good telling off!). I remember the moveable partitions being moved back for a fair few whist drives, potato pie suppers and other such functions back in the day! A very strange building, but it has some happy memories! :)

pifco 08-01-2013 07:17

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The Chancel Room was the room between the staff room and the cloakroom that was at the Eden Street entrance, in the mid 50's it was Mr. Dixon's room and later I think a Mrs. Nicholson took over when Mr. Dixon left.

Wynonie Harris 08-01-2013 12:19

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The Chancel Room was the room between the staff room and the cloakroom that was at the Eden Street entrance, in the mid 50's it was Mr. Dixon's room and later I think a Mrs. Nicholson took over when Mr. Dixon left.

Right, I know which room you mean, it had big, high windows looking out over the backs of the houses on Ranger Street. When I was there, late 50's-early 60's, it was Mr Johnson's room, as Mrs Nicholson had moved to room at the front looking out over the playground.

Bob Dobson 08-01-2013 12:51

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Can we get back to the thread which is about street names?

Wynonie Harris 08-01-2013 13:09

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Can we get back to the thread which is about street names?

Yessir, Sergeant Dobson! It's a thread wander, the like of which Accyweb is renowned for. ;)

Bob Dobson 10-01-2013 22:31

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Orange St: I researched this in the library today. It was laid out in 1860s. Plans show that other nearby streets were intended - Port and Lemon. However, the Port was opposite to Pilot St, so is not drink-related. They were all on land owned by the exors of Rev Charles Whitaker, vicar of Downham. Thus it is clear who Whitaker St is so called. I cannot explain Stuart St as yet.Sometimes called Stewart St. Port St became Moss Hall Rd

Queensborough St was called Marshall St as late as 1885

Brown St was laid out in 1871 on land owned by John Hargreaves and called The Preist Heys Estate. This was name of a fine house up Willows Lane, further up than Richmond Hill Rd. Land adjacent was owned by St James' Church. Strange that Brown St was next to and parallel with Crown St. Peter St was on same land as Brown Street.

Bob Dobson 11-01-2013 20:17

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I am interested in Queens Rd . The name first appears in the 1911 census thiough I was expecting something in 1901 or even 1891, as I had thought that the name would have been started, using Marshall St (?) near Whalley Rd and Pennyhouse Lane at the Burnley Rd end after the 1887 Jubilee or perhaps 1902 when Victoria died.

susie123 11-01-2013 22:47

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I am interested in Queens Rd . The name first appears in the 1911 census thiough I was expecting something in 1901 or even 1891, as I had thought that the name would have been started, using Marshall St (?) near Whalley Rd and Pennyhouse Lane at the Burnley Rd end after the 1887 Jubilee or perhaps 1902 when Victoria died.

Interesting. The Victoria Hospital was opened in 1897/8 but that doesn't mean Queens Road had to be there then.

Only the houses opposite the hospital look to me to be early 1900s, it seems the first to be built was Glen Wold. Most of the other houses on the road look like 1920s 0r 30s and interestingly it's one of the few roads in Accrington where most of the houses are built largely of brick rather than stone.

Glen Wold, Accrington Image at PastPlaces
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.anc...wold/page2.htm

On Google Streetview the railway bridge at Penny House lane has an inscription which says it was rebuilt in 1935 and I reckon the houses on the RHS of Queens Road as you look towards Burnley Road date from around that time. I use to live in one of them, between Marlborough and Nutter Roads, when I was at school.

Never heard of Marshall Street, where was that?

Bob Dobson 12-01-2013 07:42

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Quick answer.Off Whalley Rd at Dyke Nook. I am looking into why it was so called. Marshal probably had some connection with Rev Charles Whitaker, vicar of Downham and Simonstone.

susie123 12-01-2013 12:19

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Quick answer.Off Whalley Rd at Dyke Nook. I am looking into why it was so called. Marshal probably had some connection with Rev Charles Whitaker, vicar of Downham and Simonstone.

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Queensborough St was called Marshall St as late as 1885

Sorry missed that bit in your previous post. Presume you mean Queensborough Road? Wonder where that name came from? Off the top of my head, most of the development north of Queens Road and east of Whalley Road is mid 20c or later - bungalowville. The houses behind the other side of Whalley Road eg Whitaker Street, seem a bit earlier.

This is a real nostalgia trip for me, used to walk up to the high school every day from Queens Road/Whalley Road opp the cong church when we moved there.

Bob Dobson 13-01-2013 19:47

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Susie I haven't kept notes so cannot answer Queens or Queensborough. I will need to look at what I have written on the cards in the library. No thougHts yet on Marshall. There was a prominent pharmacist in Acc mid-century - Gervase Marshall .

stetrovers 13-01-2013 20:13

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Talking of streets running off Whalley Road, Lancaster Avenue used to be called Bayley Street, and only went as far as Pansy Street North, all the rest was fields, and thats in my mums time 1930 onwards. This has probably already been discussed on previous threads no doubt.

Bob Dobson 13-01-2013 20:30

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Originally Posted by stetrovers (Post 1036909)
Talking of streets running off Whalley Road, Lancaster Avenue used to be called Bayley Street, and only went as far as Pansy Street North, all the rest was fields, and thats in my mums time 1930 onwards. This has probably already been discussed on previous threads no doubt.

Post No 24 in this long-running thread covers Bayley St becoming Lancaster Ave. I think it was shameful to change the name, as Rev Bayley was a leader and force for good in the history of education in our town.

Bob Dobson 15-01-2013 21:07

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1036679)
Sorry missed that bit in your previous post. Presume you mean Queensborough Road? Wonder where that name came from? Off the top of my head, most of the development north of Queens Road and east of Whalley Road is mid 20c or later - bungalowville. The houses behind the other side of Whalley Road eg Whitaker Street, seem a bit earlier.

This is a real nostalgia trip for me, used to walk up to the high school every day from Queens Road/Whalley Road opp the cong church when we moved there.

I've confirmed that Marshall St became Queensborough Rd. Nearby Ellerbeck Rd used to be called Charles St. Charles was first name of Rev Whitaker, whose land these two streets were built on. However, the name Ellerbeck is the name of the house near Clitheroe in which lived Miss Slinger, related in some way to Mr (Major?) Slinger who apears to have bought the land from Whitaker's executors and re-named the streets. These streets were on the Laneside Estate. One of the streets on it was intended to be called Slinger Rd but was later changed. I've forgotten which one and will need to look it up. Watch this space

susie123 15-01-2013 21:53

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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1037155)
I've confirmed that Marshall St became Queensborough Rd. Nearby Ellerbeck Rd used to be called Charles St. Charles was first name of Rev Whitaker, whose land these two streets were built on. However, the name Ellerbeck is the name of the house near Clitheroe in which lived Miss Slinger, related in some way to Mr (Major?) Slinger who apears to have bought the land from Whitaker's executors and re-named the streets. These streets were on the Laneside Estate. One of the streets on it was intended to be called Slinger Rd but was later changed. I've forgotten which one and will need to look it up. Watch this space

Were they connected to Slingers butchers? When I was at the high school 1957-64 we had a teacher called Mrs Rhoda Slinger and I think her sons were the butchers. They lived in a big house on Whalley Road - looking at google streetview I think it was the RH one of the pair of tall red brick houses facing the end of Livingstone Road. She later married Sir William Cocker. See second picture down:

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BTW any idea why that area has the name Oaklea or is it Oakleigh?

Bob Dobson 15-01-2013 22:09

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I'm not sure if these are the same Slingers. Rhoda's husband was a butcher. His brother was a solicitor. Her son Edward is a recently-retired judge. Her other two lads ran the butchering business. I will enquire. I cannot help with Oaklea/Oakleigh

susie123 15-01-2013 22:17

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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1037163)
I'm not sure if these are the same Slingers. Rhoda's husband was a butcher. His brother was a solicitor. Her son Edward is a recently-retired judge. Her other two lads ran the butchering business. I will enquire. I cannot help with Oaklea/Oakleigh

Thanks Bob for confirming my memories.

Retlaw 15-01-2013 22:28

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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1037155)
I've confirmed that Marshall St became Queensborough Rd. Nearby Ellerbeck Rd used to be called Charles St.
It was going to be called Charles St but it never came to be.
Charles was first name of Rev Whitaker, whose land these two streets were built on. However, the name Ellerbeck is the name of the house near Clitheroe in which lived Miss Slinger, related in some way to Mr (Major?) Slinger who apears to have bought the land from Whitaker's executors and re-named the streets. These streets were on the Laneside Estate. One of the streets on it was intended to be called Slinger Rd but was later changed. I've forgotten which one and will need to look it up. Watch this space

Let me know by PM when your next in the Library, I have a map you might want to look at. It will explain about the missing streets, and name changes.

Retlaw 15-01-2013 22:37

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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1037155)
I've confirmed that Marshall St became Queensborough Rd. Nearby Ellerbeck Rd used to be called Charles St. Charles was first name of Rev Whitaker, whose land these two streets were built on. However, the name Ellerbeck is the name of the house near Clitheroe in which lived Miss Slinger, related in some way to Mr (Major?) Slinger who apears to have bought the land from Whitaker's executors and re-named the streets. These streets were on the Laneside Estate. One of the streets on it was intended to be called Slinger Rd but was later changed. I've forgotten which one and will need to look it up. Watch this space

Major Slinger lost two sons in WW1, he lived at the top of Rough Lee Rd, in what became the maternity hospital.
He was one of the oficers in th 11th East Lancs but Rickman sidelined him into the 12th East Lancs.
At one time Slinger lived at Ellerbeck, Hollins Lane. Source WO339/16466. P.R.O.


Bob Dobson 16-01-2013 08:35

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Reyt. It likely will be Thursday next week.

Atarah 16-01-2013 21:49

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I wonder who WALTER Street was named after? :-)

Bob Dobson 17-01-2013 11:23

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Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 1037321)
I wonder who WALTER Street was named after? :-)

I would like to think that it was named after Retlaw, (Walter spelled back'ards) but I feel sure that the Peel family,who owned the land Walter St is built on, named it after one of their sons. His names were Walter Spencer, so Spencer St may be named after him too ( on their land), just as William St and Robert St are named after other sons. . It is interesting too that next to Walter St is Oxford St, and near to Spencer St is Cambridge St.

pifco 17-01-2013 19:12

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Was Canning Street named after a person or possibly a trade ie in the engineering field

Bob Dobson 17-01-2013 19:25

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I suspect it is one of the streets named after a politician - George Cannning was a minister. died 1827. I'll look further into this. There are no other streets that I am aware of which are named after trades.

Retlaw 17-01-2013 21:27

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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1037440)
I suspect it is one of the streets named after a politician - George Cannning was a minister. died 1827. I'll look further into this. There are no other streets that I am aware of which are named after trades.

What about Colliers Row.

Bob Dobson 17-01-2013 22:15

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I think that Colliers Row is not a street but is a block of houses within a street. The word Row is probably applied to one block rather than more than one. I realise that Rotten Row, where Judy Garland was snapped by photographers may differ from this.

Ive just checked Shurmer's Guide. It seems to agree with me.

Retlaw 17-01-2013 23:02

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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1037464)
I think that Colliers Row is not a street but is a block of houses within a street. The word Row is probably applied to one block rather than more than one. I realise that Rotten Row, where Judy Garland was snapped by photographers may differ from this.

Ive just checked Shurmer's Guide. It seems to agree with me.

Doesn't matter whether its a street, row or terrace its named after a trade, thats what you were originally on about. Trades.

Bob Dobson 18-01-2013 08:11

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 1037467)
Doesn't matter whether its a street, row or terrace its named after a trade, thats what you were originally on about. Trades.

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Apologies Walter, I ha missed that point. Quite possibly these cottages were built ( also Colliers Court off Nutall St and Collier St in Ossie) to house miners. Some rows of hoiuses were named after the builder or landowner, though I'm not aware of a Collier family in early to mid-century.

Bob Dobson 19-01-2013 13:19

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I mentioned Marshall St a few postings back . There is a Marshall St in Huncoat. The connection between them is that the Whitaker family of Simonstone Hall owned both pieces of land they were built on. I am pursuiing who Mr Marshall was.A solicitor or other profession ?

Atarah 19-01-2013 19:03

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I am sure we once had a well known CHEMIST called Gervais Marshall. Will have to search in my notes on old Accrington.

Atarah 19-01-2013 19:18

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Re Gervais Marshall - still thinking .... Oak Street rings a bell.

Bob Dobson 19-01-2013 19:38

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Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 1037792)
I am sure we once had a well known CHEMIST called Gervais Marshall. Will have to search in my notes on old Accrington.

Yes, there was a chemist of this name (Gervas) I had ruled him out for some reason, but will reconsider him. He is in the book 'Accrington Men of Mark' He was a Baptist, not a Congo, which is what Oak St was. His shop was on Blackburn Rd

This is the second pharmacy-related posting of Atarah's today.

Bob Dobson 20-01-2013 20:48

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It has been pointed out to me to me that Marshall St in Huncoat is much more recent than Rev Whitaker's era. So I looked up my 1951 directory -= Mr Marshall was a farmer at Back Lane farm.

Still in Huncoat - the Griffin's Head is so called because of the connection of the Grimshaw family with the township.Their heraldic crest is a griffin's head.

Bob Dobson 23-01-2013 18:50

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1037161)
Were they connected to Slingers butchers? When I was at the high school 1957-64 we had a teacher called Mrs Rhoda Slinger and I think her sons were the butchers. They lived in a big house on Whalley Road - looking at google streetview I think it was the RH one of the pair of tall red brick houses facing the end of Livingstone Road. She later married Sir William Cocker. See second picture down:

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BTW any idea why that area has the name Oaklea or is it Oakleigh?

Ive just had it from the horse's mouth that the butchering family were not directly connected with the Major Slinger, the landowner referred to. They were related to the solicitors.

susie123 23-01-2013 19:04

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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1038420)
Ive just had it from the horse's mouth that the butchering family were not directly connected with the Major Slinger, the landowner referred to. They were related to the solicitors.

Thanks Bob, have you been buying horsemeat burgers in Tesco?

Bob Dobson 23-01-2013 19:21

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1038424)
Thanks Bob, have you been buying horsemeat burgers in Tesco?

No, drinking in the Nag's Head

Retlaw 23-01-2013 21:07

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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1038420)
Ive just had it from the horse's mouth that the butchering family were not directly connected with the Major Slinger, the landowner referred to. They were related to the solicitors.

Major Slinger of Rough Lee, Accrington, was a solicitor, qualified to work in the supreme court.

westendlass 30-01-2013 17:35

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Anyone know the origins of Badge Brow and Dandy row in Ossy.?

Bob Dobson 30-01-2013 23:51

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Dandy means 'fancy' A pair of Sunday clogs would be 'dandy clogs' I hope some Ossy folk will come up with better inflammation about the whereabouts, then we can see how fancy this row was.

Bob Dobson 07-02-2013 18:59

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Edleston St ( with a single 'd'), Spring Hill may well be named in honour of Richard Edleston, a stalwart of New Jeruisalem Church, in which he was a 'missionary' in the 1840s. Had it been a double 'd', it might have honoured Peter Eddleston, a Guardian of the Poor and member of the Local Board, who died 1877 aged 46. He was a co-founder of the Pioneer Works. It might just be that at some time in the past, their names were identical, and that a spelling error on somebody's part made them different.

Bob Dobson 10-02-2013 09:14

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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 874257)
Back to street names: Foster Street is off Burnley Rd, one street down from Pennyhouse Lane/ Queens Rd. In the 1870s(?) a David Foster lived in a house at the corner Foster St & Burnley Rd., so maybe there is a connection there. The Peel family would have given the OK for the street's name, but I don't yet know what the connection with that family is.. I do know that it has nowt to do with Foster's fireplaces, Are there any Fosters in Accrington now who could throw light on this? I imagine that if there are, they will be proud to say that the street is named after their ancestor.

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The Peels would have chosen this street name. I suspect that they would be familiar with Samuel Foster, a 'master house and church painter' employing 7 men in the town. Sam had a brother, David Foster ,who died in 1875 aged 27yrs, and it it may be the David living in Burnley Rd was his son, and may be that Sam, a wealthy man, owned the block of houses at the end of the street that bears his name. The Burnley Rd David was a taper, which was not a well-paid occupation, so he would not be able to afford a house of that standard off his wages.....I wonder if the Foster firm decorated the nearby St John's church when it was erected? In the mid-to-late 19th century there weas a fair bit of church building going on in Acc.

Greeny 14-02-2013 12:24

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. I live on Westwood St and our house was was built on land owned by the Peels.

Bob Dobson 14-02-2013 13:06

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I can't come up with an explanation at this point. A look at the census in mid-century might bring a suggestion up. Next time I'm in the library, I'll do a bit of digging. Has Atarah got any suggestions?

Bob Dobson 21-03-2013 19:34

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I was in the library today ( forgot about Westwood St) and came across some names of streets which never got built. There's a lot of them, as well as some whose names were later altered.

On land just higher up that the Cemetery pub ( Whitaker Arms), I found a small estate - Nuttall St, Alfred St, Lion St and Northwood St. I am linking this to the pub, owned by (Alfred) Nuttall's Lion Brewery. Alfred may have lived in a house called Northwood. I shall enquire. The plans were drawn in 1902. I wonder if there was any objection by the Corportation to Nuttall St, as there already was a Robert Nuttall St up Woodnook.

JCB 21-03-2013 20:18

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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1041011)
Edleston St ( with a single 'd'), Spring Hill may well be named in honour of Richard Edleston, a stalwart of New Jeruisalem Church, in which he was a 'missionary' in the 1840s. Had it been a double 'd', it might have honoured Peter Eddleston, a Guardian of the Poor and member of the Local Board, who died 1877 aged 46. He was a co-founder of the Pioneer Works. It might just be that at some time in the past, their names were identical, and that a spelling error on somebody's part made them different.

As you will no doubt know there was a New Jerusalem church on Fairfield St. just past the top of Edleston St. , and is now a Kingdom Hall of the Jehovah's Witnesses .

Bob Dobson 21-03-2013 21:14

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Originally Posted by JCB (Post 1048261)
As you will no doubt know there was a New Jerusalem church on Fairfield St. just past the top of Edleston St. , and is now a Kingdom Hall of the Jehovah's Witnesses .


Good digging JCB.

Atarah 07-05-2013 01:56

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Have you got the explanation for Carter Street? John Carter ws one of the original parters of Broadley, Carter & co., Victoria Mills, Victoria St, Accrington. Carter St received its name from this gentleman.

Bob Dobson 07-05-2013 08:04

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Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 1057744)
Have you got the explanation for Carter Street? John Carter ws one of the original parters of Broadley, Carter & co., Victoria Mills, Victoria St, Accrington. Carter St received its name from this gentleman.

Yes. Lydia St is also linked to Carter, though I have just forgotten what it is - a family name though. I don't keep a record of the names at home, I just write them on the library's cards. Robert Cunliffe is starting to put them on a database. Maybe someone else in the Carter or Broadley fam,ly family was a Major

Bob Dobson 11-05-2013 19:16

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Holden St was parallel with Ormerod St and Fountain St and is now occupied by Gllebe, Medina and Jannat Closes. It was likely names after the bloke who built the houses on it - Holden Barnes (1823-81), a contractor who employed 40 men, plus two horses and their two keepers. He lived at 23 Ormerod St. He was likely named Holden after the bloke who fathered him, Henry Holden, who later married the lad's mother. It was common for streets to be named after builders - Hannibal Ramsbottom and Obadiah Booth were in that situation, and Wm (?) Waddington.

JCB 11-05-2013 20:26

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The top part of Holden St is still there .

Bob Dobson 12-05-2013 20:22

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Dutton Street is named after the Blackburn brewer. He probably owned the land it is built on, as well as that in St James St where he built a pub - The Derby Arms. Likely Holme St has some connection with him too. He was a substantial donor to the building of the National School, Cannon St, in 1816

Bob Dobson 21-05-2013 20:06

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Crossland St was laid down at the same time as nearby Charter and Corporation Sts on Jacob Lang's land. It is likely named after Henry Crossland,(1845-1905) who lived at No 2. He was a stonemason and I suspect in the employ of Jacob ( Jacob St & Lang St named after him) Towards the end of his life, he lived at 28 Buxton St, also built on Lang's land. Charter and Corporation Sts honour the incorporation of the town in 1878. The corporation yard was on Corporation St, and that is now still used by the council and county council. Crossland St is yet another example of a street being named after a builder.
Some work is being done on the index cards bearing street names in the library by putting them onto a database which will allow them all to be easily seen at one go and be available for public viewing on-line.

Karateman 21-05-2013 20:15

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 582752)
As well as 'when' it would be interesting to know 'why'.

Similarly does anyone know when Cromwell Street became Cromwell Avenue and why?

Where is Cromwell Avenue? according to google maps it is Cromwell street across from the Oakleigh. Maybe the residents have changed the road sign and not told the council....LOL


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