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This may help to give you more of an idea. Catlows, as we knew it, would have been at the L.H. corner of the photo, i.e. top of what we know as Broadway, the Slaters Arms would have been at the opposite corner i.e. also top of Broadway.
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Are there any 'photos of the Spring Mill anywhere ? Just can't imagine such a big factory and the Brass Foundry too.
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Well at last I can say I know where the Slaters was. Much before my time I am sure.
The old cobble street looks a right good place to get your self black and blue with rolling down it after a few pints. Not to mention black and blue from the shady characters who would probably frequent the place. |
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Back to the reasons for streets being called what they are :- Can anyone come up with why Lydia St is so called? I think I have the answer, but want to consult before declaring it
Marsden St is said to be named after a local family.(1870s) Do we know owt about 'em? I read an intersting statistic recently - Between 1850 and 1856 there were 62 new streets laid out in Accrington. |
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Those houses in those 70 odd streets weren't built untill the 1890's & 1900's, so who did decide the names for the streets, 20 years or so before the houses were actually built. By the time they were built, the reason for naming could have been long forgotten The only sure way is old estate plans, which would show the land owners, (very few of those plans still exist). A lot of the new streets are on what today would be called Green Belt land, as such there would only be a few owners, so trying to give them the names of relatives of those land owners, it just guessing. I only believe in documentary evidence, I once tried at the clown hall legal offices, they were really unhelpfull. Some of the street names shown on the map were never used. Retlaw. |
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The late 19th century Mill owners of Accrington opted to invest in property construction and speculation at the expense of investment in their mills. Much of this investment involved vanity projects, such as naming terraced streets after family members. As such, technology lag led to relative higher costs and the loss of overseas markets when faced with more advanced American competition, resulting in the fast decline of the local textile industry.
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I think that Lydia Becker appeared on the scene too late to be a nominee for a street name, and her connection with Accrington was not well known.
Retlaw is right - I am guessing. At this time, there is no way of proving the reason for a street name, but I think there is a pattern or method to the namings, and there is often no other explanation. He is right too in that they were often named 20yrs before the setts went down or the houses built. If hargreaves had known in advance that John carter would be leaving Accrington under a cloud ( of misusing monies given him for a purpose and putting it to his private purposres), I doubt that he would have 'honoured' him with a street name. He is right too in that some proposed street names either got changed or not used. Amongst them was Highfield St, which woud have been built near the top of Lydia St, Woodnook near to where (Mayor) Eli Higham's house 'Highfield' is. Maybe there's a connection between HIGHam and HIGHfield. Is Tealeaf quoting something, or writing it himself? If a quote, I'd like to know where it is from. It has the ring of authenticity about it. |
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Possibly someone will write - or has already wrote - a PhD thesis on this theory and how it applies to Accy. I dunno. What is for certain is that there was a massive housing construction boom in most northern mill towns around the latter part of the 19th century, coinciding with new mills being built but those mills contained very little in radically advanced technology from 50 years earlier - think of the standard Lancashire loom and compare it with the stuff the Yanks were starting to build. So is it a case of the mill owners seeing the writing on the wall, and deciding to invest their money elsewhere, or were they just stupid? Either way, the likes of Accy is still paying the price. |
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I saw that explanation of the decline of the cotton industry in a TV documentary
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There's nowt new or unique in the explanation in a recent cheap TV documentary - arguments have been made about this going right back to the beginning of the last century and maybe beyond.It's all there in any respectable economic and social history book of the last century. Try some serious reading for a change, instead of what is the latest government UFO coverup.
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Hi, can anyone shed any light on this?....I've got my Grandad's WW2 army paybook and inside his address is given as Tremmelling St. was/is there such a street in Accy or did he mis-spell Tremellen?
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He didn't write that, but some cloth eared clerk who didn't understand the Lanky dialect. His writing will be where he signed his name. In 1914 very few children had more than a few years education, from the age of 9 or 10 he could have been working in the mill on half time, the other half at school. Ancestry has hundred of mis-spellings on documents. Retlaw. |
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Thanks Retlaw, I thought as much.
Although this was 1938 - when he enlisted in the TA. I think he had a decent education but he was originally from Yorkshire, so who knows!! |
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The mill owners were too wedded to the Lanacashire Loom that modernisation passed them by . |
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I remember my dad going for tackler training on Northrop automatics at Whitebirk, and my mother eventually weaving on them, but the whole mill wasn't converted to them.
In that Tv programme I mentioned in an earlier post, the biggest advances in textile machinery were in spinning - and both weaving and spinning technological advances were late being implemented by Lancashire mill owners. Put simply - the customers found that cotton fabric produced by those advanced machines could be bought cheaper - the market was lost. |
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Back to street names: Foster Street is off Burnley Rd, one street down from Pennyhouse Lane/ Queens Rd. In the 1870s(?) a David Foster lived in a house at the corner Foster St & Burnley Rd., so maybe there is a connection there. The Peel family would have given the OK for the street's name, but I don't yet know what the connection with that family is.. I do know that it has nowt to do with Foster's fireplaces, Are there any Fosters in Accrington now who could throw light on this? I imagine that if there are, they will be proud to say that the street is named after their ancestor.
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Lister Street is one named by Frederick Steiner and is one which shows his family links to the Lister family of Gisburn, one of whom was Baron Ribblesdale. I don't know what the exact relationship was, but I've just learned that, through it, Accrington may have a link to the census system. Thomas Henry Lister (1800-42) was the first Registrar General, and responsible for bringing in our system of civil registration of births, marriages & deaths. . He was also a famed novelist.Apparently, he had 'appalling handwriting'. His brother was the baron.
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Hmmmm, not too sure about the Lister explanation there Bob. Let me have a think. Something ringing a bell that the connection was something to do with the family solicitors????
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There is certainly a family connection , but, as always, what cannot bew proved is that Steiner ( nwho owned the land) did name the strteet in honour of that connection. ( I merely suggest that he could have done)
Steiner's grandson, James Frederick Maximilian Hartman ( the family had dropped the second letter n at the end) married the daughter of Sir Thomas Villiers Lister of the Foreign Office. |
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Someone is after finding out how EAGLE STREET in Accrington was so named. Anyone any ideas?
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Remind me - where is Eagle Street? And what are the names of the adjacent streets?
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Down by the railway station, Cannon Street is off, then Willow Street nearby, THE RAILWAY PUB AT THE BOTTOM tee hee
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Maybe to commemorate the capture of a French eagle during the Napoleonic wars?
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Retlaw thinks that the Railway pub was previously called the Spread Eagle. If this were so,then it is easy to link the street name with the pub, and vice versa. It is a possiblity but there is no evidence other than what a census enumerator wrote, to prove the pub's change of name.Thwaites' brewery have failed to respond fully to a request for the deeds to be examined. Equally so, the Spread Eagle pub further along Blackburn Rd has not produced deeds either. It is a question which is going to take a long time to resolve.It would be most unusual for a pub's name to be changed so early in its life, but if the Thwaites family owned land by the railway station before it was built, then they would have influence in the choice of street names. They owned several pubs between the Town Hall and the railway viaduct, thus excluding other breweries.
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Union Rd, Ossie was previously ( I don't know when the change was made) called Warren Lane. I have long thought this was related to rabbit warrens, but I now suspect it had summat to do with the Warren Family, who were Lords of Lower Darwen and held lots of land. I have not yet got them connected with any Ossie land, but it is a possibility. I cannot put my hand on David Hogg's books, which might tell me.
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I suspect that Monk Street, off Blackburn Rd next to Park Rd & Princess St, is named in honour of William Monk, a leading Methodist in the town and one of the founders of the Mechanics Instituite. He was a self-employed tailor and it may be that he was Frederick Steiner's tailor. Steiner was responsible for the naming of most of the streets between the Church boundary and Frederick St, including Steiner St. as he owned all that land on that side of Blackburn Rd. Most of those streets have been mentioned in earlier postings.
Up Bash, Scott Ave is named in honour of George Scott, who farmed White Croft Farm, where the street is. He got planning permission in 1922. Nearby is Hurstead St, named after Hurstead Farm, Bash, also owned by the Scott family. As previously mentioned, some streets have been re-named: Poulton Avenue was Moss St until 1925. Up Bash, there is Haworth St , & Halliwell St. I have long thought that it was Haworth because it overlooked Haworth Park, but I have learned that planning permission for the street was granted to a B Haworth in 1932. Who was he? Likewise, who was J Halliwell, a builder (?) who laid out Halliwell St ? |
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The above should read Haworth AVENUE Thank goodness I spotted it before Atarah got onto me. |
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Now for a street name with Accrington connections but not in Accrington :- In Blackpool there is a Yeadon Way, in Chorley there's a Yeadon Grove and in Skelmersdale there's 'Yeadon' -nowt follows it. These are all named after Accringtonian Harry Yeadon, an Accrington Grammar Schol lad now in his 80s who became Lancashire county's chief surveyor and bridgemaster, a post in which he succeeded Sir James Drake, another AGSOB.
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Let's walk up Burnley Rd from the bottom.....Bradshaw St East is probably named after Aaron Bradshaw, a consulting engineer born up Stanhill who died 1899 aged 57. He was Briiliant. Amongst other things, he supervised the sinking of Scaitcliffe Pit, worked for Steiner and was on the first town council. His connection with Steiner is why there is a Bradshaw St in Church and a Bradshaw St West near to it, just over the border at the bottom of India St. Atarah tells me that he had a fine house, which he built, at the bottom of Willows Lane. Atarah is due credit for her work on our street names.
Next on the left is Arnold St, named after Arthur Arnold, a Salford MP, who in the 1860s gave assistance, probably to the Peels, which helped the development/improvement of Accrington.Unusually, there is some documentary evidence of this 'reward' - he referred to it in a speech in Accrington c 1884. Next comes Addison St. I am now of a mind that this has nowt to do with an English man of letters of that name, but may have summat to do with a John Addison, works manager at Broad Oak. He lived in a fine house up Hollins Lane but I cannot find out much more about him. The Peels often rewarded local men with the honour of a street name. |
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The city fathers in Dundee, where the Beano and Dandy were published, have announced that they are naming a new street as Bash St in the Beano's honour.There wil be a children's playschool in it,so those attending will be in The Bash Street Gang.
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Was Peter Street (which no longer exists), named after the builders son or relative, or was it ever called St. Peter Street as it ran off Brown Street opposite the original St. Peter's Chapel and School where Wolstenholme Funeral Service now stands. There are not any other streets in the area with people's names.
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I cannot come up with a quick answer, Pifco except to say that I don't know. However, I will spend some time on it when next in the library, - later this week hopefully.
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It was common for a school to be built which incorporated a room to be used as a chapel. St Annes did the same.Educating the children was seen as very importatnt, and so a school was built before a church.
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I don't know,but 'Lime' is just across the road. I'll have a look to see if there's a possible link . It is often the case that one landowner owned the land that two streets with similar names ar built on. In the library is a wooden filing cabinet |( unde the St James St windows) which can be referred to. Atarah started this file going. |
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St. Peter's Day School and Sunday School Chapel was opened in June 1876 the size of the building was enlarged as it was being built due to the increase in the local population, which I presume was due to Howard and Bullough's Globe works being built.
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Bullough's was only part of the enormous expansion in the town's population. In an eariler posting, I said how many new streets were laid down in this mid-to-late part of the century. Plenty of work for stonemasons and those in the building trade. |
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I am not too sure about that but the room that was at the back of the building ie ran parallel with the back of Range Street between Eden Street and Brown Street was always known as the Chancel Room. The room behind the door at the top of the twin set of steps was divided from the other rooms by partitions that could be slid back to enable one large room to be used for dances, plays and bazaars etc. If you went in the door at the top of "the slope" which was lower down Willows Lane than the steps the classrooms that were to your left were the infant classrooms which were built out over the playground to form a sheltered part of the playground. This also added to the unusual shape of the building.
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The Chancel Room was the room between the staff room and the cloakroom that was at the Eden Street entrance, in the mid 50's it was Mr. Dixon's room and later I think a Mrs. Nicholson took over when Mr. Dixon left.
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Can we get back to the thread which is about street names?
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Orange St: I researched this in the library today. It was laid out in 1860s. Plans show that other nearby streets were intended - Port and Lemon. However, the Port was opposite to Pilot St, so is not drink-related. They were all on land owned by the exors of Rev Charles Whitaker, vicar of Downham. Thus it is clear who Whitaker St is so called. I cannot explain Stuart St as yet.Sometimes called Stewart St. Port St became Moss Hall Rd
Queensborough St was called Marshall St as late as 1885 Brown St was laid out in 1871 on land owned by John Hargreaves and called The Preist Heys Estate. This was name of a fine house up Willows Lane, further up than Richmond Hill Rd. Land adjacent was owned by St James' Church. Strange that Brown St was next to and parallel with Crown St. Peter St was on same land as Brown Street. |
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I am interested in Queens Rd . The name first appears in the 1911 census thiough I was expecting something in 1901 or even 1891, as I had thought that the name would have been started, using Marshall St (?) near Whalley Rd and Pennyhouse Lane at the Burnley Rd end after the 1887 Jubilee or perhaps 1902 when Victoria died.
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Only the houses opposite the hospital look to me to be early 1900s, it seems the first to be built was Glen Wold. Most of the other houses on the road look like 1920s 0r 30s and interestingly it's one of the few roads in Accrington where most of the houses are built largely of brick rather than stone. Glen Wold, Accrington Image at PastPlaces http://freepages.family.rootsweb.anc...wold/page2.htm On Google Streetview the railway bridge at Penny House lane has an inscription which says it was rebuilt in 1935 and I reckon the houses on the RHS of Queens Road as you look towards Burnley Road date from around that time. I use to live in one of them, between Marlborough and Nutter Roads, when I was at school. Never heard of Marshall Street, where was that? |
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Quick answer.Off Whalley Rd at Dyke Nook. I am looking into why it was so called. Marshal probably had some connection with Rev Charles Whitaker, vicar of Downham and Simonstone.
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This is a real nostalgia trip for me, used to walk up to the high school every day from Queens Road/Whalley Road opp the cong church when we moved there. |
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Susie I haven't kept notes so cannot answer Queens or Queensborough. I will need to look at what I have written on the cards in the library. No thougHts yet on Marshall. There was a prominent pharmacist in Acc mid-century - Gervase Marshall .
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Talking of streets running off Whalley Road, Lancaster Avenue used to be called Bayley Street, and only went as far as Pansy Street North, all the rest was fields, and thats in my mums time 1930 onwards. This has probably already been discussed on previous threads no doubt.
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New Page 1 BTW any idea why that area has the name Oaklea or is it Oakleigh? |
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I'm not sure if these are the same Slingers. Rhoda's husband was a butcher. His brother was a solicitor. Her son Edward is a recently-retired judge. Her other two lads ran the butchering business. I will enquire. I cannot help with Oaklea/Oakleigh
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He was one of the oficers in th 11th East Lancs but Rickman sidelined him into the 12th East Lancs. At one time Slinger lived at Ellerbeck, Hollins Lane. Source WO339/16466. P.R.O. |
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Reyt. It likely will be Thursday next week.
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I wonder who WALTER Street was named after? :-)
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Was Canning Street named after a person or possibly a trade ie in the engineering field
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I suspect it is one of the streets named after a politician - George Cannning was a minister. died 1827. I'll look further into this. There are no other streets that I am aware of which are named after trades.
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I think that Colliers Row is not a street but is a block of houses within a street. The word Row is probably applied to one block rather than more than one. I realise that Rotten Row, where Judy Garland was snapped by photographers may differ from this.
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Apologies Walter, I ha missed that point. Quite possibly these cottages were built ( also Colliers Court off Nutall St and Collier St in Ossie) to house miners. Some rows of hoiuses were named after the builder or landowner, though I'm not aware of a Collier family in early to mid-century. |
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I mentioned Marshall St a few postings back . There is a Marshall St in Huncoat. The connection between them is that the Whitaker family of Simonstone Hall owned both pieces of land they were built on. I am pursuiing who Mr Marshall was.A solicitor or other profession ?
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I am sure we once had a well known CHEMIST called Gervais Marshall. Will have to search in my notes on old Accrington.
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Re Gervais Marshall - still thinking .... Oak Street rings a bell.
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It has been pointed out to me to me that Marshall St in Huncoat is much more recent than Rev Whitaker's era. So I looked up my 1951 directory -= Mr Marshall was a farmer at Back Lane farm.
Still in Huncoat - the Griffin's Head is so called because of the connection of the Grimshaw family with the township.Their heraldic crest is a griffin's head. |
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Anyone know the origins of Badge Brow and Dandy row in Ossy.?
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Dandy means 'fancy' A pair of Sunday clogs would be 'dandy clogs' I hope some Ossy folk will come up with better inflammation about the whereabouts, then we can see how fancy this row was.
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Edleston St ( with a single 'd'), Spring Hill may well be named in honour of Richard Edleston, a stalwart of New Jeruisalem Church, in which he was a 'missionary' in the 1840s. Had it been a double 'd', it might have honoured Peter Eddleston, a Guardian of the Poor and member of the Local Board, who died 1877 aged 46. He was a co-founder of the Pioneer Works. It might just be that at some time in the past, their names were identical, and that a spelling error on somebody's part made them different.
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The Peels would have chosen this street name. I suspect that they would be familiar with Samuel Foster, a 'master house and church painter' employing 7 men in the town. Sam had a brother, David Foster ,who died in 1875 aged 27yrs, and it it may be the David living in Burnley Rd was his son, and may be that Sam, a wealthy man, owned the block of houses at the end of the street that bears his name. The Burnley Rd David was a taper, which was not a well-paid occupation, so he would not be able to afford a house of that standard off his wages.....I wonder if the Foster firm decorated the nearby St John's church when it was erected? In the mid-to-late 19th century there weas a fair bit of church building going on in Acc. |
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. I live on Westwood St and our house was was built on land owned by the Peels.
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I can't come up with an explanation at this point. A look at the census in mid-century might bring a suggestion up. Next time I'm in the library, I'll do a bit of digging. Has Atarah got any suggestions?
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I was in the library today ( forgot about Westwood St) and came across some names of streets which never got built. There's a lot of them, as well as some whose names were later altered.
On land just higher up that the Cemetery pub ( Whitaker Arms), I found a small estate - Nuttall St, Alfred St, Lion St and Northwood St. I am linking this to the pub, owned by (Alfred) Nuttall's Lion Brewery. Alfred may have lived in a house called Northwood. I shall enquire. The plans were drawn in 1902. I wonder if there was any objection by the Corportation to Nuttall St, as there already was a Robert Nuttall St up Woodnook. |
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Have you got the explanation for Carter Street? John Carter ws one of the original parters of Broadley, Carter & co., Victoria Mills, Victoria St, Accrington. Carter St received its name from this gentleman.
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Holden St was parallel with Ormerod St and Fountain St and is now occupied by Gllebe, Medina and Jannat Closes. It was likely names after the bloke who built the houses on it - Holden Barnes (1823-81), a contractor who employed 40 men, plus two horses and their two keepers. He lived at 23 Ormerod St. He was likely named Holden after the bloke who fathered him, Henry Holden, who later married the lad's mother. It was common for streets to be named after builders - Hannibal Ramsbottom and Obadiah Booth were in that situation, and Wm (?) Waddington.
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The top part of Holden St is still there .
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Dutton Street is named after the Blackburn brewer. He probably owned the land it is built on, as well as that in St James St where he built a pub - The Derby Arms. Likely Holme St has some connection with him too. He was a substantial donor to the building of the National School, Cannon St, in 1816
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Crossland St was laid down at the same time as nearby Charter and Corporation Sts on Jacob Lang's land. It is likely named after Henry Crossland,(1845-1905) who lived at No 2. He was a stonemason and I suspect in the employ of Jacob ( Jacob St & Lang St named after him) Towards the end of his life, he lived at 28 Buxton St, also built on Lang's land. Charter and Corporation Sts honour the incorporation of the town in 1878. The corporation yard was on Corporation St, and that is now still used by the council and county council. Crossland St is yet another example of a street being named after a builder.
Some work is being done on the index cards bearing street names in the library by putting them onto a database which will allow them all to be easily seen at one go and be available for public viewing on-line. |
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