Busk - a district in Ossy
 

A couple of months ago, I 'dipped my toe' into geneology briefly.
I have no intention of taking it up as a hobby - it was just a brief diversion.
I 'piggybacked' on the family trees of others at Genes reunited.

I did come accross an interesting fact, that my great great grandmother

Anne Grimshaw
born 1825 Busk Osw, married David Shorrocks

and was a daughter of -

Ellen Waddington (great great great grandmother)
born 1803 Blackburn, married James Grimshaw(butcher) 25/1/1825 Church Kirk, died 1870

It seems that this 'begatting' was taking place at a butchers shop in Ossy in an area named Busk.

As an Ossy lass born and bred I am aware that there was a street named Busk Meadow St, which was demolished in my lifetime and has been replaced with the 'council flats' between St Pauls school and Howarth St.

I also found an old Ossy map showing the area between St Pauls school and Howarth St, described as 'Busk'.
This is a section of Union Rd - It must have been a smallish group of buildings not to need any door numbers.
Am I right to assume that?

This was in the days before photography, but if anyone has seen old etchings/drawings of 'Busk' on the web, I would appreciate being told where.

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I have found a link with some info here -
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloads/STRAITS__v12.pdf
Throughout the 19th century, there
was an increase in the amount of purpose-built workers’ housing and,
by the mid-1820s, the urban area was based along Union Road. The
first school in Oswaldtwistle was opened in 1831. It was a Sunday
and day school, situated on New Lane on land donated by Robert
Peel. There was also a school located in some residential cottages
at Busk from 1837 until 1872, when a purpose built school was
erected on Union Road.
Although new housing was added to the area, it was not sufficient to
meet the demand. Crowded, unsanitary conditions lead to public
health issues with outbreaks of small pox, scarlet fever and typhoid
throughout the 1880s-90s. In 1892, the conditions were so poor that
600 houses stood vacant and Oswaldtwistle became known as the
“Deserted Village.

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Hi Margaret.
I have the parish registers for Church Kirk in this box of tricks dating back to 1600 up to 1800. There is a mention of a place called Busk Barn. You might find some thing on the maps on display at Ossy Mills, the same room as the Accrington Pals display.
Which line are you following Sinister or Distaff.
Retlaw.

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Sinister or Distaff:confused:
I think that means male (distaff) or female(sinister) - men do think of women as sinister don't they;)
I started to try to find out more about my maternal grandmother, and it just sort of went further back, looking at the females only.

I was quite pleased to find the connections with old Ossy, after finding out that my grandmother was born in Burnley :o

I have a problem with visiting Ossy Mills, because of the air being saturated with the scent of Yankee Candles.
I had an adverse health effect a few months ago when I went there to buy sausages. Sad really, because they were the best sausages I have ever tasted and they are far better than Prince Charlie's junk food sausages from Sainsburys.

So a visit to Ossy Mills just isn't on my itinerary.
I am hoping that someone else has found Busk in their geneology and has found out more.
I confess that I lack the incentive to do my own research.

Your reference to 'Busk Barn' stirs images of a rural setting - nice.
Maybe the butchers then did their own slaughtering on the premises.
Thank you for responding.

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What does sinister mean in a genealogical context? I am assuming this must be the opposite of the distaff (female) line but I have only heard of sinister in heraldry where it also means female.

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Oops overlapped posts there, Margaret, but Distaff means female, not male. :confused:

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That is where it come from heraldry, when a coat of arms is halved or quartered, the Sinister is on the top left, and the distaff (female line) is on the right. The same terms are used in genealogy.

Retlaw.

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How interesting ... so what is bottom left and bottom right then when quartered ?

Sorry can't help with Busk Margaret, but if you want some of those sausages from Ossie Mills, will get you some ... only have to ask ... I do suffer, like you, from perfumes and hate the Yankee Candle smell, but doesn't affect me quite as badly.

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Distaff and Sinister.

Retlaw.

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So they sort of work diagonally then ?

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Horizontals the easiest way.:D

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That's very interesting Margaret, will go back to your link when I have a spare afternoon and have a good read. Like you I can remember Busk Meadow Street, but that's all, but its very interesting indeed

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Margaret.
Found this map in my files. Its dated 1844, cant find Busk on it, but thought you'd be interested anyway.

Retlaw.

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Thanks for that Retlaw, I've printed it off and am going to try and blow it up:mosher:

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There's a map on Ossygobbin's site Jaysay ... showing the area of Busk quite clearly ... not dated though. Go into the entry for 'Old Oswaltwitle Map' on the home page ... easy to find. Life and times of Oswaldtwistle :: Fotopic.Net

Would put it up for you, but not sure of copyright, etc.

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Thanks Kate - I couldn't remember where I had seen it

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Not far from me.
I'd say it's the area where Rhyddings School is and all the terraced houses around there.

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Busk figures in the 1861 census. What a lot of Haworths!

Oswaldtwistle and Church 1861 Census Data

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Thanks kate, I do go on that site quite often, Mike is a friend of mine, used to be a drinking buddy back in the 70s, but'll go on and have a look for that map:mosher:

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Sorry to take over your thread Margaret ... but have a similar query, and used all the information as supplied on here, so would save any repetitions.

Have spent a little time doing some family research for a friend and discovered her mum was living at 'Jumble Holes', Oswaldtwistle according to the 1911 census. It would be a farm ... but can't find it anywhere. Possible nearer to Blackburn ? Any ideas anyone ?

Also ... bit miffed ... did put some credit on the 1911 site ... 10 credits for household search. I just happened to see a box which said previous searches .. thought would show blank ... stupid me hit it twice http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-10181.gif... came up with two random households and took away 20 credits from me.

So if anyone had any relations starting with the head as the family as Richard Whittaker/Farmer/Mr(?)Pleasant Farm or Leon Gambetta Booth/Coal Miner/1 Benjamin Row both Ossie ... can feed you with further details of the other occupants ... :rolleyes:

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That will be Mount Pleasant (Mt for short)
The Hippings Methodist chapel at the top of Chapel St, and the primary school which was next to it, were known as Mount Pleasant - so the farm must have been on/around that area

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Guessed that Margaret ... thanks anyway. As you know, lots of mistakes on the census records taken from hand written notes.

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Benjamin Row is up Green Haworth
..Found this
charcater cottage, For Sale. 1 benjamin row, ramsclough lane, green haworth oswaldtwistle BB5 3RZ

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Thanks again Margaret ... but I am interested in Jumble Holes. Perhaps I didn't make my post clear enough ... LOL.

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At least my posts are giving this 'the bump' :D

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Well, yeh ... maybe someone who has a Whittaker or Booth on here as I mentioned .. could have the info. for free, which I didn't want in the first place ! ... most peculiar ... just be careful on that site ... :mad:
Welcome to the official 1911 Census website



See the box which says previous .. that is what I hit, and brought up the two I mentioned ... just a warning to take care.

See!! Won't even let me copy/paste the page to show you !!! Goes back to the home page !! Clever sods.

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Have spent a little time doing some family research for a friend and discovered her mum was living at 'Jumble Holes', Oswaldtwistle according to the 1911 census. It would be a farm ... but can't find it anywhere. Possible nearer to Blackburn ? Any ideas anyone ?

Katex. "Jumble Holes" is recorded as being in Haslingden in the Fire Brigade records.
Go to the top of Fielding Lane, and at the junction with Haslingden Old Rd turn left towards Haslingden and carry on for 4/10ths of a mile, the lane to Jumble Holes is on your right. Map Ref 767-251.

Retlaw.

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Retlaw .. what a star you are ! Would come up Manchester Road and give you a sloppy kiss ... except you probably wouldn't appreciate it ... :D So will reward you some karma instead. :)

Coincidentally, have to go up there later this afternoon, so will take a look.

It lists it as being in Ossie on the census in the Blackburn district .. suppose boundaries have changed since then though. ?

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Katex its 30 yearas since I collated those records whilst in the Fire Brigade. It may not be called Jumble Holes now, but that is where it was then.

A number of the small farms were converted the land sold off, and then sold as country dwellings and changed their names to something posh.
I remember one Hoyty Toyty changed the name of Clod Hill Farm in Haslingden to Cloud Hill, and did'nt tell us.
We'd have been suggared If I had'nt realised what she'd
done. Told he off for not informing us of a change.

Retlaw.
What you send karma for I don't fully understand the reason for it, or why its nescessary. Keep your sloppy kisses to your self, don't like them either.

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Blooming hek !! Did you see the price of that place .. :rolleyes:

Couldn't find it this afternoon, was one path that did not have any signage at the bottom, which I figure must have been it. Difficult too on that road when you are travelling at 30 m.p.h. on a 50 with others up your boot ... understand like, so you don't hang around. Actually the next farm on was Mount Pleasant Farm ... see previous post.

Well, ya' got yer karma whether you want it or not you grouch ... :p As for the kiss ... could keep me lips closed if you prefer. LOL.

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NO thanks
After you turn into Haslingden Old Rd from the top of Fielding Lane, Jumble Holes is after Mount Pleasant, the part of the road after jumble Holes is known as Round Hill, theres a Garden Center on your left as you go into Round Hill.

Grouch.

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Retlaw , your knowledge of the local area and history reminds me of the chap who used to do the column in the Accy Observer , think he was called Joyson/Joinson (sure someone will correct me ), but really enjoy your posts on the local area , Thanks for passing the info on to future generations

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Its not bad when you give um a choice kate:D

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The chap your refering to was Roland Joynson, I knew him well through the Fire Brigade, whenever there was a serious incident he would be there.
My knowledge af the area comes from my time in the Fire Brigade, one of my jobs was to keep the records of farms, small holdings and other properties in outlying areas, checking access and water supplies, over 900 properties in our division area of over 200 square miles.

Each property had a card with a hand drawn map on the back showing the route distances and water supplies, all the details were kept in what we called a farm register, every appliance carried a copy, I still have my copy.

All that is now superceded by an electronic navigation system. a few years ago one of the officers showed me the new system and how it worked, it was based on a post code database, so I got the old cards out and beat it 5 out of 10, a lot of those places don't have post codes, they collect there own mail from a PO box number. So it shows local knowledge is best.

Retlaw.

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Nearly mentioned tongues .. but thought better of it ... :D

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now yer talking.:D

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I'm goin tu tell me mam oer thee, she towd me tu hev owt tu do wi funny wimin.

Retlaw

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I nearly put that as a third option kate, then I thought better of it too:D

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Well .. didn't think the above was correct .. not the map references you gave me originally ... but you were almost correct with your first direction.

Happened to go on Grane Road again this afternoon ... coming from the Haslingden direction ... spotted a name plate on the side of a largish house ... Bingo !! 'Jumble Holes' Is a house, painted a creamy colour, on the left hand side of the road. Was the expectation of a lane that put me off. Good job they didn't have a fire ... :D

Happy Bunny now http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-animal...miley-6086.gif ... will try and get a piccie for my friend.

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The original directions were from Fielding Lane and are correct, the distance was given in 1/10ths of a mile, if you'd followed my original instruction, and kept note of the tripometer you would have stopped right at the entrance, give or take a yard or two. What should I have said 2nd driveway on right, when I drew up those instructions they were lane entrances, not my fault if some one tarts it up, and puts some tarmac down.

Retlaw

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I did Retlaw .. just was thrown by down a lane that's all.

Humph ... men ... always have to have the last word.

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Thats as it should be, do as your told next time.
And solve the picture puzzle, I have another waiting.

Retlaw.

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Found a picture of Busk here
Lancashire Lantern | Subjects | Item

It is one block further up the road than I expected it to be.
Those houses were still standing in my childhood.
If I had known then what I know now ..........

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I remember those houses too Margaret, block lower than town hall, like you I thought it would be more in keeping with Buskmeadow Street

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what was built after is now gone, St Pauls i think it was, i made those Big Louvered doors, was sorry to see em vanish.

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They built the old peoples home cashy, Peel Court which has also gone now:(

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I've always wondered from where the term 'Busker' comes from. Now I know - a typical idler, who has nothing better to do than hang around on street corners, making an awful racket in return for a few pennies in his cap. Except these days your typical Ossy waster does not even bother with the noise.

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It originates from 'Busche' the scandinavian word for a small wood/thicket.
Scandinavian(Viking) placenames are quite common in NEngland.

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I do believe they are also quite common around North West England, especially Lancashire.

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Thats what I said N England - diddle I?:p
should have gone to specsavers

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Now we all know where Tealeaf comes from:D

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I was simply trying to be more specific, rather than deal in generalisations. There are a few areas of the North where there is a remarkable absence of Scandinavian place names which suggests Celtic strongholds which held out for a long time from our Eastern cousins.