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Atarah 04-10-2009 14:27

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Retlaw! This is NOT for you to answer!!!!!!! :)

Who know anything about this building.
Its on Manchester Road, Accrington, and is between the two entrance gates to Oak Hill Park (it is nearer to the top gate)

katex 04-10-2009 14:56

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Was it anything to do with the tolls Atarah ? Think that was further down though. :confused:

katex 04-10-2009 15:05

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Was it anything to do with the tolls Atarah ? Think that was further down though. :confused:

Yes, just remembered, am right ... I am wrong ... the toll-house was at the top of Grange Lane.

Apart from being one of those lodge houses for what is now Haworth Art Gallery, can only suggest Passport Control ... LOL.

The doors on the left suggest may have been some sort of storage building though.

Retlaw 04-10-2009 15:25

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Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 750402)
Retlaw! This is NOT for you to answer!!!!!!! :)

Who know anything about this building.
Its on Manchester Road, Accrington, and is between the two entrance gates to Oak Hill Park (it is nearer to the top gate)


Ha Ha well I am going to answer.
It became the new Toll Booth after the one at the top of Grange Lane, Manchester Road was closed, when tolls were done away with it was used for some time by the lecy, then I think the Parks Dept used it for some time, don't know what its used for now.

Retlaw.

wadey 04-10-2009 15:33

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Retlaw, thanks for that, I photographed it some time ago and always thought it was a park keeper's house or lodge, much appreciated

Atarah 04-10-2009 20:47

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You are not playing fair Retlaw. You are taking all the fun out of this site!

Its not fair of you to answer and you know it!

Retlaw 04-10-2009 21:38

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Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 750493)
You are not playing fair Retlaw. You are taking all the fun out of this site!

Its not fair of you to answer and you know it!

Ok Lizzie.
Here's one to get your own back, or keep it going for the thread..

Retlaw.

Rycroft 04-10-2009 22:00

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Laneside farm Accrington does it still exsist ?? If it does, anyone know who farms it now. I was looking for a family called Riley who lost a son William in 1918

Retlaw 04-10-2009 22:21

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Originally Posted by Rycroft (Post 750538)
Laneside farm Accrington does it still exsist ?? If it does, anyone know who farms it now. I was looking for a family called Riley who lost a son William in 1918

Do you mean Accrington or Altham.
The william Riley you mention was Pte. 44375. L.N.L. K.i.A. 2-10-18
lived at Lane Side Farm Altham.

As for Lane Side Farm Altham it did exist 25 years ago, but wether its still there can't help you on that.
Retlaw

katex 04-10-2009 23:49

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Ok Lizzie.
Here's one to get your own back, or keep it going for the thread..

Retlaw.

Think I have seen that before somewhere .. Briggs Yard, Abbey Street :p

Rycroft 05-10-2009 07:51

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Yes that is the one
"The William Riley you mention was Pte. 44375. L.N.L. K.i.A. 2-10-18"

It was just that a silk " In Loving Memory " has just come into my possesion and I was going to reunite it with the Riley's. It is in excellent condition my Grandad had kept it wrapped in tissue paper etc and it has been kept safe for the past 91 years.

Rycroft 05-10-2009 10:34

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Hi again Retlaw I have just downloaded the 1911 census and it gives the address as
Laneside farm
Moss Lane
Accrington

would that be Accrington or Altham ??

Retlaw 05-10-2009 10:58

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 750590)
Think I have seen that before somewhere .. Briggs Yard, Abbey Street :p


Wrong Katex.
When did you see that in Briggs Yard.

Retlaw.

Retlaw 05-10-2009 11:05

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Originally Posted by Rycroft (Post 750666)
Hi again Retlaw I have just downloaded the 1911 census and it gives the address as
Laneside farm
Moss Lane
Accrington

would that be Accrington or Altham ??

The area around Moss Hall is now a housing estate.
It is also very near the border with Altham.
Boundries in census returns can include properties not really within the town boundry, because of proximity.
The preamble at the beginning of each census section will give the census takers route and reasons, and some times includes names of places which are now forgotten.

Best to hand the silk into Accrington Library Local Studies.

Retlaw.

katex 05-10-2009 11:13

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Wrong Katex.
When did you see that in Briggs Yard.

Retlaw.

Eeew yeh Retlaw .. have re-looked at the photo in the Jubilee Book .. is very similar, but not quite. Fail Kate.

Was it a building associated with Scaitcliffe Pit then ?

Retlaw 05-10-2009 11:58

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 750678)
Eeew yeh Retlaw .. have re-looked at the photo in the Jubilee Book .. is very similar, but not quite. Fail Kate.

Was it a building associated with Scaitcliffe Pit then ?

No
The ones you saw in the Jubilee Book is where the Accy Co-op was formed.
That lot were demolished when they built the filling station on Abbey St, next to where the New Jerusalem Church was
The steps in the puzzle picture are more worn and were there about 7 years ago.

Keep guessing.
Retlaw.

Atarah 05-10-2009 13:13

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see. I know the answer Retlaw, but I am not a "sneak" like you, so my lips are sealed! :-)

katex 12-10-2009 11:10

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Still searching for this !! Trying to get down Accy to search as figure must be around the Oak Street/Black Abbey area.

Up to press, remembered your thread on yards, and Atarah put a 'photo up of Hall's Yard ... but seems pulled down.:( Constructions are very similar to your 'photo Retlaw ... wondered if I am getting warmer ?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ton-36655.html

Retlaw 12-10-2009 15:09

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 752800)
Still searching for this !! Trying to get down Accy to search as figure must be around the Oak Street/Black Abbey area.

Up to press, remembered your thread on yards, and Atarah put a 'photo up of Hall's Yard ... but seems pulled down.:( Constructions are very similar to your 'photo Retlaw ... wondered if I am getting warmer ?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ton-36655.html

You are getting a bit warmer.
Accrington back in the early 1900's had quite a few yards and courts with stone steps to the upper floor.
Not only did pepole live in back to back houses, some were divided top and bottom, there were even cellar dwellings, I photographed one or two over the years, they still had the fire places intact.

Retlaw.

katex 13-10-2009 12:11

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there were even cellar dwellings, I photographed one or two over the years, they still had the fire places intact.

Retlaw.

Must have been awful living in a cellar ! Did they have fireplaces in these, and what sort of outlet for the smoke would they have ?

Still searching for those blooming steps ... will solve am determined.

Retlaw 13-10-2009 12:50

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 753133)
Must have been awful living in a cellar ! Did they have fireplaces in these, and what sort of outlet for the smoke would they have ?

Still searching for those blooming steps ... will solve am determined.

Yes those that I have seen had the black cast iron fireplaces, the flues followed the line of the upstairs rooms .
If you want to know what conditions were like in Acc in the mid 1800's, go to the library and ask to see the Babidge report on health in Acc.

Retlaw

Tealeaf 14-10-2009 13:58

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Can anyone explain the difference between cellar accommodation and a basement flat?

Retlaw 14-10-2009 14:29

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Can anyone explain the difference between cellar accommodation and a basement flat?

If it up north of Watford then its a cellar dwelling.
If its down steps from street level, South of Watford then its a basement apartment or flat.

Them Southern Jessies don't like being compared to us common lot.

Retlaw

MargaretR 14-10-2009 14:45

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I regard the difference as-
cellars are only accessible from inside a property
basements have access from outside and maybe inside too

Atarah 14-10-2009 15:03

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I just take it to mean the terminology "basement flat" is a modern day version of a "cellar dwelling".

But cellar dwellings would have had the old slop stone sinks, cold running water, no light, cramped conditions (Victorian families tended to be very large), - at the most two rooms, not very pleasant places to live I should imagine.

Retlaw 14-10-2009 15:19

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 753483)
I regard the difference as-
cellars are only accessible from inside a property
basements have access from outside and maybe inside too

Thee were two properties in Church St Acc, that were classed as cellar dwellings, they were accessable from from steps railed of from the pavement, they are on an old street plan of Acc dated circa 1848. I went in one of them about 3 years ago whilst the property was being done up, took some photo's, but can't think where I put them.
The occupiers of the next property would'nt let me see them.
There is also one under the bottom shop in Warner St which used to be office supplies

Retlaw

Atarah 14-10-2009 15:25

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You mean Tattersalls's Typewriter shop, I've been in that cellar as well. I took piccy's too but wish I could travel back in "The Tardis" and seen how the poor tenants actually lived!

katex 14-10-2009 15:31

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Am I good, or am I gooood ??

Found it .. nah! nah ! Of course, this commanded extensive research intertwined with a street survey. Does Jacob Street Mews ring a bell ?... :)

To prove it here is an up-to-date photo hot out of my camera today :

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Thanks to the resident for allowing me to take this image.

Just a "Well done Kate" will do Retlaw, as know you don't care for the karma system .. :D

Atarah 14-10-2009 15:32

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Here is an outside view of a cellar dwelling. Not all could be seen as this, but this may help you to visualise.

Retlaw 14-10-2009 16:29

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 753497)
Am I good, or am I gooood ??

Found it .. nah! nah ! Of course, this commanded extensive research
Barnyard Confetti, extensive be blowed intertwined with a street survey. Does Jacob Street Mews ring a bell ?... :)

To prove it here is an up-to-date photo hot out of my camera today :

Attachment 14637

Thanks to the resident for allowing me to take this image.

Just a "Well done Kate" will do Retlaw, as know you don't care for the karma system .. :D

Took you long enough. Looks like they had the old steps replaced & gone upmarket by calling it a Mews, Back Jacob St, was its proper name, and had been for 180 years.

Retlaw.
Do you want another picture to search for.

katex 14-10-2009 16:55

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 753516)
Took you long enough. Looks like they had the old steps replaced & gone upmarket by calling it a Mews, Back Jacob St, was its proper name, and had been for 180 years.

Retlaw.
Do you want another picture to search for.

Well, as long as not down any alleys again ... risked life and limb there. Chap swinging a walking stick saw me in Jacob Street walking up and down and asked if he could be of help. Thought I may have been a property developer from Marble Arch (isn't that where Ladies of the Night hang out ?) or Saville Row .. Uh ?

Showed him your 'photo and said "Follow me" (down this quiet alley)... gulp .. had to go through the process of explanation first. Came across lady painting at the house down the Mews. Asked me who was asking ... explanation again. Turned the corner ...it's there ! She shouted of the resident saying "He won't let you take a 'photo if he doesn't want you too" Gulp again. Resident emerges ... explanation again. "All reet then .. s'long as I'm not on it". Darts back into house. Grovelling thanks before scurrying off... but they were all OK really.

Did enjoy it though ... felt like I had stepped back in time.

Retlaw 15-10-2009 19:07

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Must have been awful living in a cellar ! Did they have fireplaces in these, and what sort of outlet for the smoke would they have ?

Still searching for those blooming steps ... will solve am determined.

Katex.
Found some pictures I took in a cellar dwelling that had been sealed off for umpty decades.

Retlaw

Atarah 16-10-2009 03:34

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Have just seen one of those old black fireplaces, in premises on Bank Street, only last week. Many of them were made by Bridges of Accrington

Atarah 18-10-2009 17:40

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Old toll bar on Manchester Road. - This old toll bar was built around the 1830's and is a Grade II listed. The Special Constables mustered here to meet the rioters during the Plug Loom Riots of 1842. So much history for this old, forgotten, building. After it stopped "having a purpose", it was occupied for several years as a private residence by a Mr William Hindle. His father James and a brother John were foremen printers at Broad Oak Printworks.

Before this, the old Toll Bar lower down the road had been used (as previously mentioned). In those days it was known as Grange Bar.

Corker01 12-02-2013 13:24

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Rycroft .... did you ever get a resolution to the question you asked regarding Laneside farm? according to the 1900/1910 maps we have, Laneside farm was off Moss Hall Road Accrington, there is also a Moss lane mentioned on the map as well.


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