Originally Posted by cashman (Post 762708)

was it the Borough on were the home brew shop was off warner st? think its called Cross St.

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 762714)

British Volunteers - Warner Street - I also know the Flying Dutchman and Good Ale Tomorrow, but I will let others try.

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 762730)

was it called teh white bull where the arndale carpark is now ?

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 762746)

no mate was the "Black Bull" me local in 60s:)

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 762806)

Yes the Black Bull was its name, it was one of the oldest buildings in Old Accrington.
Records for Old Accrington are a bit hard to come by. The earliest record I can find is for 1666, Henry Emmot is listed as Ale House Keeper, he was taxed
6 pence.
Retlaw.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 762810)

was once told it was the owd "Grain Court" dunno if was true or even what one was?:confused:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 762813)

Got one .. The Flying Dutchman was the previous name of The Arden Inn on Abbey Street :)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 762746)

no mate was the "Black Bull" me local in 60s:)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 762746)

no mate was the "Black Bull" me local in 60s:)

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 762821)

It was the Mandock Inn, the landlord was Samuel Sandiford.

So that is your next quest. Where was it.:D:D:D

Retlaw.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 762928)

Get it right Cashy .. was 'Ye Olde Black Bull' ..:D

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 762931)

i know kate, just simplified it fer accymans benefit.:D

Originally Posted by katex (Post 762928)

Get it right Cashy .. was 'Ye Olde Black Bull' ..:D



Get the feeling, this will have to be another trip to the library .. that Samuel Sandiford ... was he born around 1807 ?
Dont know when he was born, not really bothered,
I put the name of the landlord in then you could'nt start bitching and say I'd made it up.
Wonder where the name Mandock came from .. doesn't appear to refer to any streets/areas/well known figures in the area ?

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 762939)

Why should every thing be named after a so called well known figure.

Propably uttered the name after drinking too much cockroach pee, remember its got female hormones in it, a few slugs of that stuff and you start to talk daft. :theband::D:D:theband::D:theband:

Retlaw.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 762944)

Dont know when he was born, not really bothered,
I put the name of the landlord in then you could'nt start bitching and say I'd made it up.

Now, now ... would I question the King ..<sarcastic beggar> hang on your every word ... thought you were giving me a clue to try and find him in the 1841 census .. which I think I have. Still, was too much to ask I suppose.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 762931)

i know kate, just simplified it fer accymans benefit.:D

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 762821)

It was the Mandock Inn, the landlord was Samuel Sandiford.

So that is your next quest. Where was it.:D:D:D

Retlaw.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 763096)

A clue to which century would be helpful .. http://planetsmilies.net/confused-smiley-17564.gif

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 763107)

Ged on wi id un stop thi moanin. :D:D:D:D:D
:theband::theband::theband::theband:

Retlaw.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 763527)

Did try to 'ged on wid id it' this afternoon . 2 1/2 hours in the library.
The Samuel Sandiford I though may have been the one turned out to be a calico printer living in Abbey Street, unless he was doubling up as an Innkeeper !!
Looked through all the trade directors over ???? years .. but guess a bit like yellow pages, only in there if you decide you want to advertise ?

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 763545)

Ged off wi thi, id dornt tek thad long tu luk thru
trade directories fur Acc in theghteen underds.

No, had other projects going on ... :p

I were in Library this afternoon as well, but you would'nt see me, I was in the storeroom looking at stuff you would'nt get to see.

Ah .. hem .... :D You talking dirty Retlaw. !

if strangers meet
life begins-
not poor not rich
(only aware)
kind neither
nor cruel
(only complete)
i not not you
not possible;
only truthful
-truthfully,once
if strangers(who
deep our most are
selves)touch:
forever

(and so to dark)

ee cummings

I know crap 'innit ... best I could do at short notice.

And don't start huffing and puffing about priviliges,
I've seen 3 librarians and countless staff retire from the library over the past 40 odd years, and contibuted a lot of historical info and photos, I've got from various public record offices around the country.

Retlaw.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 763553)

Not huffing and puffing about privileges, but is there any way I can find the Mandrock Inn/Clay Inn without sharing the storeroom with you ?:eek:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 763561)

I wouldn't share my last Rolo with you.

Don't care .. don't do chocolate. Too many calories ... :p

The librarian that would know where its likely to be is off ill.

Hope nowt to do with you !

If you think about where some of the other questions and answers have been found, yu might be getting warm.

Rotten Ba****d are'nt I.:evil::evil::evil::uzi::boxing_sm:s_frighte
:rofl38:

Retlaw.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 763574)

Yes, you are a rotten Ba****d ... we agree at last :Banane20:
Not guilty the librians illness was serious.

Bet you even curse learner drivers too.

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 763609)

Retlaw, this thread is becoming quite BORING now, you are constantly DIGRESSING i.to move away from the central topic - that's why I have not been responding.
Please just keep to asking a question. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 763609)

Retlaw, this thread is becoming quite BORING now, you are constantly DIGRESSING i.to move away from the central topic - thats why I have not been responding.
Please just keep to asking a question. Thanks.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 763670)

Ok .. a further 'questchun' :

Were the Clay Inn/Good Ale Tomorrow for Nothing and Mandrock Inn former Beer houses ? Won't help much like, but they would have been more likely to have been in the middle of a row of terraced of houses rather than corners.

A straightforward reply appreciated ... know it will be difficult ... :D

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 763722)

Borough Arms British Volunteers answered
Bulls Head - dont know the answer to this
Clay Inn - Never even heard of it
Flying Dutchman answered
Good Ale Tomorrow for Nothing. Corner of WarnerStreet and Church Street. Wrong.
Mandock Inn - dont believe this ever existed.

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 763730)

Believe what you like. It did exist, found both the name of the Inn and the Landlord's name, he was 54 and his wife 58.

Retlaw.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 763636)

Well Atarah I'm having a real good laugh at the banter between kate and Retlaw, sorry you don't See the funny side:D

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 763773)

Tomorrow, like free ale, never came.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 763760)

Well, this fits in with the one I found in the 1841 census ... married to an Ann Sandiford, living in Abbey Street then. They would have been these ages in 1861 ..' course can't get into the address ... :( Just house schedule 190. Would need to spend some money .. if I get on the computers at the library, does it allow you free access into these details ?
Yes Ancestry is free on the library computers, but keep off No 3 that ones reserved for me.
Will have a stab that they were still at Abbey Street. Presumed they had moved though .... ??

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 763754)

Er I bet to differ on "Good Ale tomorrow for Nothing" - I KNOW it was on the corner of Warner Street and Church Street!

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 763773)

Following details from "Accrington as it was" by Brian Ashton. Photos from Accy Library.

"Good Ale Tomorrow for Nothing" - so said the sign over the beerhouse that stood on the corner of Church Street and Warner Street, known years ago as Britcliffe's Corner. Tomorrow, like free ale, never came. The black and white photo on the R.H. side shows the site of the beerhouse.

"coloured photo showing the premises being altered to make way for a restaurant".

So, have I won on this one Retlaw?

Originally Posted by katex (Post 763900)

Yes Ancestry is free on the library computers, but keep off No 3 that ones reserved for me

Ah, that would be the one covered in Bull pooh then .. :p
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
What have you been doing to my computer, I told you to leave it alone, any poo on it and its come from you, and it will be sheep poo. Baa :dummy2:

An image is coming to me of a street .. possibly beginning with 'K' ?

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 763924)

Been using your feminine wiles on somebody, you've never found that yourself.

It's my spirit guide .. bacardi usually ... :D:D

You still have'nt attempted the others in the list, too much for you is it. :dummy::dummy::dummy::gooddog::rofl38:
Retlaw.

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 764134)

I am still convinced you are WRONG about there having been a pub on the corner of Warner Street and Duke Street. I agree there was once a LODGING HOUSE on that corner, but not a beerhouse. Would you please let Accywebbers have your proof? The only proof I can offer is paperwork in Accrington Library which states - "Church Street was first opened out in 1815. The portion of the corner of Warner Street was formerly a beerhouse that went by the name of "Good Ale tomorrow for Nothing" - needless to say tomorrow never comes. The premises have long associations with the Britcliffe's family, and became well known as Britcliffe's Corner".
And that is good enough for me!

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 764162)

Without commenting on whether Walter is right or wrong as to the wherabouts of pubs, I do feel that he is being childish in first of all setting these questions in a way which suggests "I know but won't tell you" Don't talk daft when have I refused to answer a query, its just as nobody seem to have the nous to ask the right questions.

He has had ample opportunity on the forum in the past few years of giving a complete list of pubs and their locations , but has chosen not to, keeping the information for himself.
I do this research because I want to, not for any gain or kudos, publishing, printing or posting to the web would be expensive.
The computer where all this info is stored is not connected to the internet, and never will be, that way it can't be contaminated, as for printing it out and putting it in the library, that would take about 5 reams of paper, yes 5 reams. any way if its not believed on Accy web, would putting it in Accy Library make it any more credible.

He has an extensive knowledge of old Accrington but in the main, keeps it to himself.
You know dammed well I'm a loner, always have been, and don't know many people with the same interests as myself.

I have to say that whenever I have asked him a question, he has come up with an answer from his secret files but often gives the impression that he knows and nobody else knows owt.
I do know, and any impression that nobody else knows owt has shown itself by the responces on Accy Web, there's only a handful seem to know owt or even interested.
I feel annoyed too with his treatment of and attitude towards other members ,though I know that he can be civil and decent too. I felt really bad towards him when he posted four words which when read 'last-first' were not the language that decent people, especially ladies, want to read/hear on the site. I am annoyed with myself that I did not ask the webmaster to remove the posting.

Walter - prepare a full list of pubs & locations, post it on this site and give a copy to the library for the use of future readers. So every one has a free copy to wave about like Chamberlain's Peace in our time. It WON'T WORK in windoze, only in DOS, some people have never even heard of DOS.

Your list of farmsteads which is in the library is an example of the good work you do. It will be a memorial to you. Without it, Accrington's pub&club history will go largely unrecorded.

Originally Posted by Bowler (Post 764185)

The Borough Arms
Incidentally it was where Titty Bette plied her trade..

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 764179)

So lets forget all the puzzles and questions and let me get on with what I'm doing.

Retlaw.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 764190)

in later days, commercial, spread eagle, also.:D

Originally Posted by katex (Post 764193)

Thought the Commercial became the Regency Cashy .. :confused:

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 766181)

A posting about the Alma, Bash mentions The Blockade, King Street. and suggests that it was Crimean war-related.The Crimean war was in 1850s. I have not looked up the relevant dates, but I was under the impression that it was named after a famous incident involving two railway companies near Manchester (Middleton?) about 1840 in the course of which a blockade of the lines occurred.The close proximity to the railway may have brought about this suggestion. This pub was owned by Bentley's Brewery of Milnshaw Lane, and was sold with the others in their empire, to John Smith's in 1924

Originally Posted by Bowler (Post 764185)

Incidentally it was where Titty Bette plied her trade..

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 766316)

There's an Accy character I've never heard of before. I thought punters had to take a bus ride to the Barbary Coast for that sort of thing?

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 766318)

ya need to ask cashy about titty bess, knew her, remind me.:D

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 766318)

ya need to ask cashy about titty bess, knew her, remind me.:D

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 766318)

ya need to ask cashy about titty bess, knew her, remind me.:D

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 766326)

You must have moved in the same circles as Ianto cashy:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 766324)

LOL ... you moved in the best of circles Cashy.

I think re. the Blockade ... Cashy was called Aiden in a past life, and was named as a warning for him to keep out !

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 766328)

hey ive also consorted wi a couple of "Titled" people, n some "World Famous" uns as well, its called the "Ability to get on wi any Begger":D;)

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 765512)

I now "believe" that the Clay Inn, was at no 4 Albert Street, Accrington ..