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If you look on the Hyndburn ramblers site there is a bit more information about the Hyndburn clog trail.

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Last night's meeting was addressed by Les Bond, who outlined ideas that the town and the society could take up to commemorate ( not celebrate) the Great War and in particular the forming of The Pals in 1914, the events of 1st July 1916 and the Armistice of 1918. There was much discussion in which it was learned that some planning involving the council is already under way and 'under wraps'.It was felt that restricting the number of council-involved events might be easier to achieve, in the present climate and lack of resources, than taking on a lot of workload.

The society's chairman will be seeking a meeting with the present mayor with a view to setting up a working party of interested organisatuions and individuals to oversee planning. The eyes of the world may be on Accrington in the period 2014-18.

Some good ideas were raised and discussed as to their merit or otherwise. - Staging the 'Accrington Pals' play/ having a silent vigil on the morning of 1st July 2016 /planting poppies/involving youth groups. I didn't take minuites, and have forgotten some topics.

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Seeing as there are already organizations working on several projects, and have been for over two years, these projects for the aniversary's have already been discussed, with those who have the authority to allow these events, setting up some tin pot committee to interfere in what is already planned, is an insult to those who have already put a lot of work into their projects.
I have already got some of my pictures on display in the Thiepval Memorial Musem, plus other local things to do with the Pals, and the last thing I & the hard working others need, is the 1-3/4 appreciation society pushing their noses in, too many cooks spoil the broth.

Retlaw

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What good will that do the present Mayor will not be the Mayor in 2016.
My daughter has met all the appropriate people with regards to Pals Anniversary's. The council will not allow its workers under the present finacial restraints, take on any more work which will cost money.
Its evident that what she told you last night about funding, and what will be allowed didn't sink in.
The interested organisations already liase with one another.
Just because the 1-3/4 appreciation society have not been consulted, must mean something, ie your not needed, and at this late stage, trying to jump on the band wagon, and take all the glory will not happen.
Retlaw

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oh oh! who's gone grumpy again?

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So would you be after having listened to the verbal diarrhea that was spouted as local history last night, and then to day on here, from some one who should know better.
Retlaw.

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It is a pity that Walter cannot discuss matters in a non-vitriolic way. His references to 1 3/4 are intended to mean Les (007) Bond., who he believes, along with 'The Harrogate Tripe Dresser' are out to benefit from the mountain of information on WW1 personnel data that he has painstakingly obtained. I do not share his beliefs , nor do I want to see someone vilified for doing something openly about our history,nor do I like things done in secrecy. If this planning work has been going on for three years, why doesn't the body most concerned with local history , the Local History Society, know anything about it? Who does know? who is taking part in the planning?

The present mayor will be out of office in 2014, but in my view, she is the one to approach at this time.

There may be a shortage of £sd and council officers may be working hard, but these things don't mean that it is useless to abandon efforts. I fear that if the local history society does not try to get the ball rolling, the Pals will not be commemorated.

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Because its being done by people who are active, and willing to do manual labour, and are able to organise things, and get funding, which was already said has been ongoing for some time, the last thing they need is another committee, especilaly if 7/8's thinks he's going to run it, or be on it.
You have already been told the ball is rolling, and has been for a while, so why should you be consulted. When Bill Turner organised the Exihibition on the 90th Anniversary of the Somme, at the Haworth, it went quite well without your lot, my annual displays at the Haworth have never needed your lots imput either. The display at Ossy Mills did'nt need your lot either, when people want info on WW1 soldiers who do they ask, your lot, I dont think so.
Retlaw

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It pleases me that Walter is commenting and communicating his views, even if at variance with mine, as when the phone rings, he slams it down if he doesn't want to talk to you. Whenever I have asked him for information on any aspect of local history, he has obliged. However, if the mayor in 2016 wants a list of the local men who served in and fell in the Great War so that their names can be read out in honour, I doubt that Walter will supply it and he is the only one with that list. He has the ability to correct errors and omissions on our war memorials but doesn't, and as a result , men remain unhonoured.

I remain of the view that planning for events affecting the town should not be done behind closed doors in secrecy. I respect Walter's viewpoint from the opposite angle.

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See pg 19 this weeks accy observer, 'planting poppies to honour pals' the poppy packs were sent out last year by prospects.

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I feel some of Bob’s postings are a little inaccurate.
For the record I was at the meeting and did take some notes. Although there was some good ideas, too many involved funding and complicated, involved organising. To me, there wasn’t much evidence at the meeting of involvement with either funding or organising events. It’s not easy arranging 1 idea, let alone several. I’ve numerous years experience so know how difficult it is.
I’ve put forward some ideas already to HBC. One for next year, some others to the new Leader, Miles. I've another planned for 2016. The reason ideas aren’t public knowledge is that they need confirming. If no one knows about them, then no one’s disappointed or slagging the council off if they don’t materialise.
Having worked directly / indirectly with HBC over many years as a volunteer, what I’ve found they are good at is facilitating ideas/projects as best they can. You come up with the idea, funding, bodies to organise, get on with it and they’ll help where they can.
In the current financial climate, there’s neither the financial resource nor staffing time to dedicate to events. Why the meeting thought someone from the Council should be there was beyond me. To say staff are stretched in LA’s is an understatement. Gone are the days of “the Council sorting it out for you.”
My idea for 2016 (“under wraps”) doesn’t involve the Council and until I’ve met to determine it’s viability is known only to me (& 2 others). That way if it doesn’t get off the ground, no ones lost out but if it does, it’ll likely put Accrington into the international arena.
A poppies project was not discussed last night as a suggestion. I made the meeting aware of the Prospects Poppies for the Pals Project. An idea I came up with and discussed with HBC 3 years ago which became so massive it was split into 3 separate projects. Last year schools & other interested groups were invited to plant poppies to commemorate 2011 as the 95th anniversary of the Battle of the Somme. Hundreds of free seed packets were sent out across the Borough. Details of the project are on the Prospects Foundation Web Site.
It’s planned to continue with the Project until 2016 and build it up to the original vision I had. 01/07/2016 is supported by many I know as being the point / date to commemorate the Pals, and for that matter, any other service personnel the Borough has lost in too many conflicts.
The PPP project was publicised last year & this in LET & Observer. So as I said last night, short of putting a flyer through every house in Hyndburn, there’s only so much publicity you can do.
In addition, a couple of weekends ago, a Prospects Task Force, planted poppies at Oak Hill War Memorial, Mercer Park War Memorial and various other sites. Poppies have also been planted in Haworth Park some months ago.
Isnt the current Mayor’s office up next year? Not 2014
And picking up on other postings further down, nothing’s being planned behind closed doors. You don’t go spouting your mouth off from the roof tops and set yourself up for a fall until the plan’s clearly in place.
Who’s been planning what for 3 years – I’m the only 1 who came up with a project idea 3 years ago – Poppies. Back to publicity comments
I got the feeling that the group who met last night are not aware of / in touch with the numerous other groups & organisations in the Borough who can and do get things moving/done and who'd be interested. the mountain will not come to mohamed.

And yes, Father is the only one with the full list of those who fell. He won’t even let me see it ………………. I’m no 1 daughter. Why should he and Bill have spent more years than I can remember researching the Pals for others to just crib, poach, present as their own.
As for allegedly slamming the phone down – Id say that’s any phone owners prerogative. Bit like not answering the door if you don’t want to.

I admire the thought that the eyes of the world may be on Accrington between 2014-2016…………… Ambitious, but admirable.

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I suggest you reread the thread on Oswaldtwistles War Memorials, when I complained about the number of mistakes, and those who are still missing.
One of Britcliffes comments was that if Mr Holmes will submit his list he would have it checked.
Checked by whom, the same two who cocked up the present list up ?. The only people who can confirm the accuracy of my lists are employed in Accrington Library, they accept my work without question, as do the staff at Fulwood Museum, and Bury Museum, when they ring with a query.

Nothing regarding what Prospects & the others are doing, has been done in secrecy, there have been several press releases in the past about their work.
Is it sour grapes because you and 7/16ths were'nt informed personally.
As for Accrington's War Memorial there are 83 names missing, 11 names spelt wrong & 10 men recorded twice (caused by errors in the A.O.& T., reporting) who else has taken the time to photograph the A.O.&T from 1914 to 1922, the Blackburn Times 1914-1919, Burnley News July Aug 1916, & the Chorley Guardian 1916, over 5000 digital images.
If you think I spend all this time and effort, just to have it judged by amatuers, I should coco.
Bill Turner was never asked to verify his "Accrington Pals" Books, now he has been followed by several who claim to be Pals experts, where did they acquire that knowledge. To me they are x spurts, ie x meaning was, and spurt which is a drip under pressure.
Bill & I spent several weeks during the early 2000's down at the Kew Record Office plus a lot of other places, searching for info, & now you think I should hand it over to your society.
I didn't start this task just for others to take the credit, I do it for my own satisfaction, & I will, do with it as I please.
Retlaw

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Blimey.

This is how wars start.

(I hope Retlaw's on the same side as me.)

:flamethro

:D

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It makes a change for it not to be you starting them, well not on this thread :p:D

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Dont worry Gari your protected.
Trouble is some of those mouthing of have never heard bullets whistling past their ears, have no concept of what those lads went through in the trenches.
Every one was a Hero whether they got a medal or not.
Retlaw.

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In truth, me and Walter are on the same side. Our tactics vary, but we are aiming at the same target - the recording of local history.

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Phew, because having met you, and heard you talk about some of the other so-called 'experts', I'd sooner have you covering my back, than face you across a battlefield.

:D

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I know that Bob.

I was only joking.

On behalf of Joe Public, to all those that do to it, I'd just like to say that it's appreciated.

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I was also at that meeting in the library, I did'nt take notes, I have a good memory. Some of the suggestions were too daft to laugh at, to name one, why don't we have a parade of soldiers marching thro Accrington like they did in September 1915,
that march thro Accrington started in Blackburn, with W, & Z Coy's marching over Red Cap, thro West End Oswaldtwistle, & into Accrington, to take the salute outside the Town Hall.
Trouble is with last nights statement that march past happened on AUGUST 1st 1915, even Pine Wood Studio's could'nt recreate that event, 500 men in full WW1 kit plus SMLE rifles. What dream world do you lot live in.
Retlaw.

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One thing that needs clarification, there are several lists in my computer relating to casualty figures, exactly which list would be read out, and by whom.
The total casualties for July 1st 1916, which contains many names of men who served in the 11th East Lancs, but had no connection with Accrington, to me they are also Accrington Pals they fought & died with them on July 1st.
Would this list that some one may read out, just be for Accrington, or for Greater Accrington as it was then known, which comprises the present day Hyndburn. That list is in the 1000's & includes those who are not recorded on memorials, many of whom had suffered in hospitals from their wounds for long periods, I have one on record, who died of war related wounds in the 1940's, and an autopsy revealed he still had shrapnel in his body when he died, is he entitled to be on that list, or is the cutoff point 1922, like a lot of War Memorials did.

Retlaw

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Well, I'm off this afternoon to a 'stroll' around Ribchester, headed by Colin Cunliffe ... a member of the Ribchester Local History Society.

Meet at the toilets on the car park in the centre of the village at 2.p.m.
Some field walking involved, so decent footwear.

The next walk will be headed by Albert Wilkinson, entitled 'Hidden corners of Oswaldtwistle' on Sunday, August 21st at 2 p.m. Meet at the Oswaldtwistle War Memorial. Will remind you nearer the date. :D

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How can they be hidden if this fella knows where they are ? :D

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An excellent , informative walk this afternoon, conducted by an enthusiastic 'Ribber' There's far more than the Romans to interest an inquisitve mind here.

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Can't think of an intelligent answer to that ... oh yeh, don't be so pedantic ... http://planetsmilies.net/violent-smiley-1393.gif

Agree, didn't realise they invented cement .. thought was some guy in Clitheroe.

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Lets be honest here, if there up ossy,they should be kept hidden.:D

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Just a nudge that this is on Sunday, time and meeting place as above:

'There is a walk guide available (50p) and hopefully we will be visiting some places of interest, including some not normally seen from public paths.
Bring along suitable clothing and footwear. This is a leisurely walk, not a route march ! The first part is uphill and then level or downhill for the remainder.'

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Do you know how long the walk will be ? I am bringing someone along
with me.
thanks

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Are you hoping to be pelted with rotten fruit and veg, the next time you pop up to Ossy post office?

:D

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Good question, Mariam ... Albert hasn't given any indication, however, doubt whether it will be longer than 2 hours though. Depends on how many questions or interest he gets along the way I suppose.

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Thanks Katex - it'll be fine.

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The walk was fascinating - we really enjoyed it all. Hope there will be more.

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A really interesting walk, many thanks to Albert also Katex for informing us about the walk.

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Yeh ! And didn't make it myself !!!! Well naffed off ... :(

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First lecture of the season is as follows:

Thursday, October 6th. Lecture Room Accrington Library at 7.30 p.m.
Subscriptions may be paid at any meeting. £10 .. 7 lectures.
Visitors for individual meetings... £ 2.50.

"Early Maps and Map-Making in Lancashire"
Speaker: Dr. Ian Saunders of Morecambe.

See you there... :)

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Kate, I hope you enjoy, but to me, who is interested in LOCAL history, that subject I am afraid would NOT tempt me out of doors, as much as I would like to support the History Society. Sorry.

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Phil's just left to go to this. He's very much into Maps ;) Enjoy! x

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Hahaha, 'erindoors ... recognised him and introduced myself .. think he wondered who this strange woman was accosting him. Got the impression he enjoyed it very much .. x

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An lecture in every way. The history of maps & mapping/maps of Lancashire. Covered
c1300 to the introduction of the Ordnance Survey. His slides showed a map contaiuning the Haslingden Canal, which was never construcrted, and a river whigh flowed from Manchester due North to Preston - an error by a 18thcentury cartographer. The lecture was very well received. A full house despite the weather. The lecturer even prepared two hand-outs for us to take away.

Atarah would like that these lectures covered only very localised subjects, but not enough speakers could be found for this.

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Next one, tomorrow night, Thursday 3rd November :-

'Eccentric Wealth'
The Bullough of Rum
Speaker: Alistair Scott,
Edinburgh.
Lecture Room, Accrington Library... 7.30 p.m.
Non members £2.50.

This article already mentioned in the Howard and Bullough's thread by Wadey :

The family who shaped Accrington (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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am in Manchester tomorrow night so can't go to that un, but ta fer posting it kate.

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You going to a gig, Cashy ? LOL.

Brief rundown of future monthly lectures:

Preston Guild. Past, Present and Future.
The Origins of Blackpool.
The Corn Mills of Whalley.
The Lancashire Cotton Famine.
From Steam Tram to Electric Tram.

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Yep taking the boss to "Dreamboats n Petticoats" at Salford Lowry...........if i can find the sodding place,hate driving in Manchester.:eek:

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It's easy ... but who am I to give a man directions.. :D

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send me a pm wi em.:D then folk don't see how stupid i am.;)

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I was unable to attend, but want to telkl how muich I am enjoying reading the book on the Bulloughs that Alistair Scott has written. On sale in the library.

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He was excellent, Bob, what a lot of money those Bulloughs had, eh !

Actually, don't think the library have them at the moment .. he pointed us to Pam's Bookend in Great Harwood.

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Next lecture this Thursday, 1st December, in the Lecture Room, Accrington Library... 7.30 p.m. £2.50 for non members:

'Preston Guild, Past, Present and Future'
2012 is Guild Year.
Speaker Dr. Alan Crosby of Preston.

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Next lecture, tomorrow 5th January.

'The Origins of Blackpool'
Speaker : Frank Watson.
Hyndburn LHS.

Same time, same place .. Accrington Library, Lecture Room @ 7.30 p.m.
Admission £2.50.

A great lecturer is our Frank ... very informative, clear, relaxed with a fun personality; not to be missed.

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A novel aspect of the talk is that the audience will be seated on deck chairs hired from Blackpool Corporation. Men will be requirted to have a knotted hanky on their heads. I am sworn to secrecy about the ladies - go in trousers Katex.

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Thanks for the tip-off, Bob, but I ain't wearing no 'Kiss Me Quick' hat. :eek:

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That's what I've heard - you like slow kissing.

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Tomorrow night's lecture ... 2nd February.
Lecture Room, Accrington Library @ 7.30 p.m.
Non members £2.50.

'The Corn Mills of Whalley'.
Speakers: Richard Matthews and Brian Jeffery.
Read.

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Thursday, 1st March in the Lecture Room, Accrington Library @ 7.30 p.m.
£2.50 for non members:

'The Lancashire Cotton Famine'
How we survived the American Civil War.
Speaker: Sid Calderbank.
Euxton.

A true part of our textile industry. Looking forward to this. :)

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That un sounds interesting.:) Ta Kate.

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Wedding of Miss Lily Elsie and Ian Bullough, 1911.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...74zqisCKBctNFw

A whole host of portraits of Lily Elsie, Mrs. Bullough, held at the National Portrait Gallery.

National Portrait Gallery - Person - Lily Elsie (Mrs Bullough)

More photographs, and family backgrounds, of both her, and Ian Bullough.

Miss Lily Elsie - The People in Elsie's Life

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Lovely looking woman. Is the trimming on the train Ermine do you think?

Could be useful to me. He wasn't bad-looking either...

I especially like the following photo of her, attached...

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Does anyone know of the website of the group please?

Thanks

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They don't have one. PM me for the email address of the sec

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The new season's programme has been published. It starts off on Thursday 3rd October 7.30pm with a talk about the building of 'The Big Ditch' - the Manchester Ship Canal. Later talks include Huncoat's Changing Face....Turnpike roads in NE Lancs...Weavers'
Cottages in NE Lancs