Green Haworth/Bedlam
 

Hope someone can help with any info on the origin/place name of Green Haworth and Bedlam. Thanks

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'Green Haworth is nestled in the West Pennine Moors. Part of the village is known as Bedlam, and was recorded by the monks of Kirkstall when defining their boundaries in the 12th century.'
The Townships of Hyndburn - Clayton-Le-Moors

he manor of ACCRINGTON was a member of the honor of Clitheroe, and was by Henry de Lacy granted to Hugh son of Leofwine together with Altham before 1177. (fn. 8) It must have been surrendered to the grantee or his successor, for Robert de Lacy gave it to the monks of Kirkstall by way of compensation for the grange at Cliviger which had been recovered from them by Richard de Elland. (fn. 9) The gift was confirmed by William son of Hugh de Altham for the love of God and for the salvation of the souls of himself, his wife and kindred. (fn. 10)
Townships - Old and New Accrington | British History Online

Bedlam is unclear.
It's derived from the name Bethlehem, and Bedlam became a generic name for places where 'lunatics' were cared for. Sometimes this was applied to where just one person was looked after.
Perhaps there was a cottage up there that cared for the mentally ill?

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Sorry Gari.
I've seen that website before, it a load of misinformation and generalisations.
I went to the PRO over 20 years ago when it used to be in Chancery lane & obtained copy's of the Coucher Book of Kirkstall.
No where does it mention Bedlam, and I've never seen Bedlam mention in the Halmote Court Rolls either. I've attached a copy of the transcript of the two pages which relate to de Lacy and Hugh son of Leofwine, and the first page when deLacy's son dealt with the thieving monks.

Retlaw.

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Thats fairly logical, I live 2 minutes from Bedlam :D

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Errr...it's not the website, Retlaw. The website is simply accessing the digitalised form of the Victorian County History, which in lancashire's case was knocked out by William Farrer in the earlier part of the last century. Omissions and misreadings abound, but given the circumstances in which he wrote it, that is no surprise. Nevertheless, it is a good guide and I would certainly rate it higher than some of the rubbish which is now published under the category of 'history'.

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Thanks.
I was only rooting about on the web, but could find no mention of Kirkstall Abbey's boundary ending at Bedlam.

Also, the name wouldn't have been known until at least 1247, when the first Order of the Star of Bethlehem was founded in London, to care for the mentally ill.

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There are many, many Bedlams throught the country, including over the border in Dingle town.

I think they were the sites of small cottage hospital type asylums.

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I suspect that Bedlam (Green Haworth) was the generic name applied for Accy's early loony bin, although I would not like to put a date on it's founding or it's dissolution. The original Bedlam is now the site of Liverpool St railway station in London, one entrance of which has a statue where you can regularly see old men and women weep. However, Bedlam has moved over the centuries and it's location up to the 1920's is now the Imperial War Museum.

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As stated the first Bedlam/Bethlehem was founded in London, but the generic name seems to have spread country wide, where the mentally insane were housed.

There are some (once) isolated cottages in Burnley, which also have the name Bedlam.

'In the early 18th Century, the idea that the insane ought to be segregated from ‘sane society’ gathered momentum. The number of private ‘madhouses’ increased. The care offered frequently took the form of cruel punishment. There was little incentive to cure or release and most of these institutions were run primarily for profit, with relatives paying the madhouse to keep patients.'
People and Stories

Makes sense that there might have been some place at Green Haworth, where they 'cared' for those in need.

No one would hear the screams up there.

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It's many years since I have been in the badlands of Burnley; I doubt if I shall go back there again.

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I can't find any record of an offical asylum up there. I think it more likely that it was a cottage, funded by charity/the church, in which the mentally ill were housed.

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If you do, stay away from Bedlam.

They might not let you return to us.

:D

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YO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've just realised - is there not a golf course up at Green Haworth? Is not this so-called sport merely a cure for psychotic disorder for mad Scotsmen, deranged Yanks and the criminally insane middle-classes?

I think now that explains Bedlam

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Watch it or I'll hit you with my niblick :D

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Diagnosis confirmed.

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They've named a hole Bedlam.

The nutters.

'The Club has some awe inspiring views of the surrounding area. Looking outward from our signature hole "Bedlam" you can see across the borough of Hyndburn over to Blackburn, The Coppice and Pennines and onto the surrounding Ribble Valley.'
Green Haworth Golf Club

:D

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When I was a kid us townies probably thought people WERE mad to live at Green Haworth (though it's probably quite a desirable location now with better building materials and personal transport 'solutions'?).

I remember an old well there - down some steps across the lane from the cottages - is it still there? - I always went for a drink when in the area (provided it didn't look too mucky).

I'm told the preacher at the methodist chapel there once took as his sermon "Do as I say, not as I do". Later that day he hanged himself in the vestry. The moors have that effect on you !

PS - I haven't seen it but I'm told the cottages down the hill from the Shoulder of Mutton had stone flag floors - UPSTAIRS !!!

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Not sure but I think its the second hole, theres a hell of an all round view from the green

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One wonders if Bedlam was renamed 'Green Haworth' as part of a cynical marketing exercise sometime in the 19C.

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not disagreeing with anything posted above , but seem to remember reading/hearing something years ago about the Hospitals of Bethlehem (Bedlems) and they were originally leper colonys where folks were kept in isolation for fear of contagion, no idea if its correct , but guess it could make sense.

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Ya believe they had a great card school SJ until some one through their hand in;):D

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Thanks to all of you for the answers

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My great grandmother lived in one of the cottages at Bedlam and was the washerwoman for what was described to me as an orphanage there (just across the road from the cottages I think). I think the orphanage building longer stands but perhaps this explains the name Bedlam.

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What an interesting thread, so just add my penny'sworth.
Entry in my very old Oxford dictionary:
Bedlam Madhouse, scene of uproar, also bedlamite = insane person.
Comes from hospital of St. Mary of Bethlehem in London