coach house, ascot way (broad oak fold)
 

Apologies if this has been discussed before - I have searched and can only find the odd reference.
Can anyone please help with any historical information about the Coach House on the corner of Sandy lane and Ascot Way? Am interested in anything at all to do with this building and would be very grateful for responses:)
Thanks

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Do you mean the house thats for sale, in what was orignally Broad Oak Fold, if so it was never a Coach House.
Retlaw.

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I'm sure it has Coach House engraved on a stone and the ground floor looks like it could have been stables at one time. Might it not have belonged to Broad Oak House in the past?

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Hi, you mean this? "Fold" represents a number of small farmhouses and cottages, originally grouped together for mutual defence. A mighty oak tree once stood in this fold, hence its name.

Believe was once Estate offices and other buildings for Broad Oak House

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There are lots of buildings with plaques on them that are wrong. The house in Broad Oak Fold that has a garden facing Sandy Lane, was the home of the chauffuer for the owners of Braod Oak House.
That was back in the 1930's, I knew the chauffuer & his son, there were no engraved stones then, remember all that area has been tarted up since then, especially when they built Ascot Way, before then it was farm land.
Retlaw

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Thats the picture I was looking for, the house on the extreme right was where the chauffuer lived, his name was Mr Crow, his son was David Crow. When that picture was taken it was still a working farm.
You can now see how much the area has changed since the 1930's, when people look at it these days, they assume it has always been like that.
Heres an even earlier picture.
Retlaw.

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and here is a rear view I took a few years back

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Love the coloured photo you have just submitted Retlaw. I believe it to be one of the many done in the 1930's by students of Accrington Art School on Blackburn Road.

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That wall was'nt there when I used to drag my sledge past there on my way to Macalpines field, when I were a lad. It had a nice garden front, and the rest was a Hawthorn hedge all the way to Leemings Pad
Retlaw

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Thank you for your responses, particularly the pictures - it's really interesting to see what it used to look like.
The name of the house - engraved on the wall - is "Coach House" but we are just trying to establish exactly what purpose it was built for and when, as the building seems to be really well known in Accrington, but everyone we speak to seems to have their own ideas of its history! Very grateful for any further information, especially if anyone can date the building for us
Thanks again

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Re the painting shown on posting no. 6 by Retlaw. I was quite chuffed to find out today that it was done by Mr Gerard de Rose, an Accrington artist who became very well known, and as mentioned in another post, painted many famous pop stars in the 1960's. Good Accrington library for informing me of this!

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...rose-5363.html

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Hi there I have just joined this forum and seen your questions about Broad Oak and I was born there at my grandmas farm. It was a working farm and the big Oak Tree was in the grounds of the farm. Mrs Crow was my godmother and she lived in what was similar to a big coach house nearby. There was the farm with many farm outbuildings and also a cottage where the Charnleys lived. All this was set in grounds which were enclosed. I spent many happy years there as a child. Hope this fills some more information for you. I don't think I have any photos of this from my childhood as my parents must have kept them.

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I think that in the end of the 1800s, a man called Ashworth lived in one of these houses. He was buildings manager for Broad Oak & the Hargreaves.

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Thank you for the additional replies. We still havent managed to date the Coach House - it doesnt show on any census information as it wasnt originally residential, so we are still hoping that someone may come up with a definitive date. In the meantime, thank you for your responses

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Take a sken at the various censuses - 1841,61,81 to narrow it down a bit. There are some street planniong maps in the library which will give some guidance. They give a date as to when the council OKd the building of the street.

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Quite a few buildings in Accrington have had names added, from other buildings, there used to be a stone in the garden wall in Rough Lee, that originally came from the Dolphin Inn. there is a plaque on a house in Timber St which shows Cow Houses. Cow Houses was off Jacob St, and was used as a reference point for census takers in the 1841/51 census. I've never come across any referance to a Coach House in Broad Oak Fold. A good stone mason can carve you any name you like, and make it look like its always been there.
Retlaw.

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This is my first post to the forum although I've been reading the entries for some time. I'm very interested in the Broad Oak Fold thread as we lived in the top part of Barnfield St., near Sandy Lane, when I was a child in the forties, until 1946. When I started school, St. Paul's, I had a friend, Marlene Newsham, who visited a relative, maybe her grandmother, in Broad Oak Fold, and I went with her. The photo in Post #4 is more or less as I remember it, although the photo must be much older. I remember the tree in the centre.

We walked up Sandy Lane to Leemings Pad, along past the farm, and over to Plantation Lane.

Some years ago the staff of Accrington Library sent me copies of the relevant parts, about Broad Oak Fold, of Richard Ainsworth's book, Old Homesteads of Accrington. I've seen this discussed in another thread, with varying opinions, but I found it interesting. There's no mention of a coach house, though.

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Welcome to the debate JoanR..
As you say, there is no mention of a coach house, some of those buildings date back to the mid 1700's, and Broad Oak Fold itself is even older.
Why every one thinks that just because one of the buildings has the name Coach House stuck on it, that it was a coach house beats me, who would the coach be for, all those buildings were there long before the Hargreaves's built Broad Oak House, and they kept their transport in a building on Sandy Lane, which faced the front Garden of the house where the Crowe's lived.
A lot of people have been taken in by a bit of fancy stone masonry, another few grand on the sale price.
Retlaw

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Some of the 1911 census details do mention 1 BROAD OAK FOLD, wonder if the details would be of interest to you.
Here are details of a Mr Shaw who lived there:

Arthur Shaw
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Knutsford, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Accrington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Broad Oak Fold Accrington Lanc Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Gardener "domertic"
Registration district: Haslingden
Sub-registration district: Accrington

and at no. 3 Broad Oak Fold
George Place Thwaite
Age in 1911: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bainbridge, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Accrington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Broad Oak Fold Accrington Lancs
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Commission Agent, Collector
Registration district: Haslingden
Sub-registration district: Accrington

so there were obviously a few families living in the fold.

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Atarah, do you know the date of the photo in post #4? Both it and the photo in post #6 look as though there would be houses for more than two families. Some of the buildings could have been farm work buildings.
I remember visiting a house with a small porch at the front, with my friend from St. Paul's, although I never went inside. It may be the one in the photo in post #6.

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I have done a map overlay in google earth to show the broad oak fold area from this late 1800's map as it was. hope this is of interest.not all places overlap correctly due to scaling issues of the map and google earth.interesting to note a quarry underneath the now all weatherpitch area behind st pauls church.All but the "coach house" was bulldozed down.i remember Tommy mullhall used it for storing his ladders and lampoil for his decorating and it is said to be that he ended up buying the coach house from a mrs hardisty who never used it for around £200 in 1960's money and lived there untill his death a few years ago.underneath number ** ascot way is one of the old top stones from the old wall pictured at the entrance of the early broad oak fold.its under the floorboards and its REAL MASSIVE HUGE!!!.it had to be left there due to its weight and the house built around it .A true piece of history we sometimes take a peek at now and again rolling back the carpet.brilliant.

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Interesting what you say. My gran used to work at Hodgsons China Shop at 54 Abbey St, then it became ABODE. Mrs Hodgson had bought the shop from Mrs Hardisty, who I believe lived in Plantation Street, so your mention of her having something to do with the coach house COULD make sense. I see you have used the very photo I used on my posting no 4 back in April 2011.

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mrs hardisty lived on ascot way till she died i hope you dont mind me using the photo its the best one i have seen of that area

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Wish I had known more about Mrs Hardistry, but I was really young then and dont remember much from that time. The photo is from the Old Homesteads of Accrington and District by Richard Ainsworth. The book was printed in 1928, so we can "assume" the photo was taken at the time of the publishing of the book perhaps? (Retlaw doesnt trust Mr Ainsworth, but I do!) At least we can trust his photos, eh Retlaw?

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she lived as you said in plantation st near gilles st she did have a hardware stockists buisness she was a nice lady my fiance knew her she was ever so sweet and knitted all the children things for christmas.

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Dawnie, thank you for posting the maps. We used to play in the area of the old quarry, although I didn't know then that's what it was. There was a grassy hill which we would slide down and I was in trouble because I had grass stains all over my dresses. No jeans at that time.
Going down Barnfield St. towards Plantation St. there were allotments on the right, opposite the newer houses.
Did Mrs. Hardisty have a son named Alan? I think there was an Alan Hardisty at school.

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I think I remember a boy called Stephen Hardisty at my school in the early fifties.

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Mrs Hardisty used to live across from my father-in-law on Ascot Way - my wife says she had a son called Stephen.

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Our deeds for the Coach House show that Mrs Hardisty lived originally at 88 Arden Terrace, Plantation Street, then later on Ascot Way in one of the "new" houses. She inherited the Coach House when her husband Frank - a Hardware merchant - passed away. The building was sold to Thomas Mulhall in 1971. The deeds are fascinating but I could probably do with enlisting the help of a local historian to make full sense of them. There are references to the Hargreaves family (John, passed away ???1895/6) and the Grimshaws, as well as old maps of the land and links to the Owl Hall Estate. We STILL havent been able to date the actual building though.
One day, when we have finished renovating, my plan is to try and make sense of all of it ..... in the meantime, these snippets of information are wonderful and I am printing them off to store with our records, so please keep them coming!

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yes steven was her son

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I have followed this thread with great interest to see if anyone could shed some light on when the houses to the right of the Barn (it has always been known as that, The "Coach House " was a little nicety that Tom Mullhall had carved when he moved in there in the late 70s or early 80s)
All the houses to the right of the barn were demolished and then rebuilt at different times with the end one (Atarah's Picture) being built in 1934 and was the home of Mr Hinchcliffe, retired Headmaster of Peel Park School.
Odin

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If you read post numb 5 you will see who lived in that house in the 1930's, and as I've said before, there are number of places in Accrington falsely labeled with date stones and other rubbish, The word Coach House can put another 20 grand on a property, which the gullible will fall for, it was never a coach house, who would the coach be for.
The chauffer for the owner of Bank House, Mr Crowe lived in that house, long before Hinchcliffe even went anywhere near Peel Park School, the garage was in the grounds of Bank House.
Retlaw.

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Nathen Retlaw, If you look at the old photo (not the Painting)
of those houses to the right of the Barn you will see that the house adjacent to the Barn is the usual design of four equally spaced windows.
But the Building that replaced it has a totally different configuration of windows, not equally spaced and not all the same size.
it also was finished at its southwest corner (Sandy Lane end) with Large Corner stones all the way to the top. this wasn't normally done in the middle of a row, and there are no stones keyed into the barn.
The outer property was rebuilt at a later date and not at the same time and is also not keyed in anywhere, front or back
The roof lines of the two houses are different with the 1934 one being several inches lower than the other. The 1934 house is built of smaller stones than the other and if you look at Atarah's Picture you will see that the very end, smaller propery, has been demolished and rebuilt 90 degrees to its original site to accomodate the road. The original tall chimney which is clearly seen standing several feet over the roof of the original property. has been rebuilt and is now visible by only a few inches from the front. and that is why there is a Plaque which says 1934 because that was when the rebuild of that property was completed.

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THAT IS VERY INTERESTING MR ODIN!!!!!

we walked past it to look at it and you can see it was moved.was it a coach house for the carrages the chauffer used to ride in at any point or stables???

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We spent a very enjoyable few hours in Accrington reference library, on Tuesday, trying to make sense of our family timeline. One of our people was born at Broad Oak farm in 1942. The farm was part of the fold and from what we can gather, in addition to the farm, there were 3 or 4 other properties within the fold itself. The name Clark(e) is in the Burgess guides which ties in with our family. We have been down in Accrington for a few days and have taken the opportunity to explore other properties up Sandy Lane, which have family connections. If you witnessed a dodgy looking couple staring suspiciously at your house on Wednesday morning, we were not casing your property, honest!

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Hi Joan, in your post you mentioned Marlene Newsham. She's my sister. You did visit Broad Oak Fold to see our grandma. I found an old photo of my grandma Newsham taken on the wishing Stone in Old Hill Park in 1934.

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In the early 1950`s I used to visit the cottages quite regularly. The end cottage on the left was the home of the Flanagan family. I believe they went to Australia. I don't know if it was true but I was told Philip (Flanagan Snr.) sold all the farm stock to give himself a nest egg in Australia. I believe the farm owner was non to pleased when he found out

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Hi with what was called Cowhouses being close to where was called the Abbey, do you think the Cowhouses land would have been part of the Abbey's farm land? Just in case you know or somebody does please?