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A shocking image of Woodnook today, where did it all go wrong?
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do people still live there ,:eek: words fail me
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A friend of mine lives on Hudson Street, all the houses up there are waiting to be pulled down, he and the others are waiting for a moving out payment, most of the houses are boarded up now
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It is really sad, it was once, a very pleasant place to live.
My Mum still lives in that area. |
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Its a disgrace. I live there and can't wait for something to happen about it. There are so many yobs hanging around causing destruction. Surely it would cost less to pull the houses down than to pay for the amount of time the emergency services have to spend putting fires out. To my knowledge, half of hudson street is getting pulled down and Royds street where the houses are boarded up. Clement street is getting pulled down too. Or is it?? Another rumour is that someone is buying the lot up and doing them up
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There are a few stubborn landlords that the council are haggling with to buy up the remaining houses
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slum landlords:eek: this would stun anybody cashy:) ive just shown some mates this picture and they didnt think anywhere in britain like this existed anymore.is there any money to pull these down or has the condem goverment stopped the cash
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My mates is private rented, as Fra has just said, he is waiting for the haggling to stop, they are getting around 4 thousand per house to move out (might be 6, can't remember exactly what he said) i don't think they have plans to put the residents in any particular place, they have to find their own.....well i know he is looking at different places anyway
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OMG amazing photo though
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I lived on Hudson Street 70's early 80's and can't think of anyone who rented in those days..the photo of the area as it is now made me gasp.. ok it's many years since I was there but how on earth can it have got so bad?... the homes are not council house stock but how can any council in the country allow an area of it's town become totally run down and to be blunt a complete slum?
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What streets are in the photo?
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South, Booth, Royds and I cant think for the minute of the final street on view. Heart breaking to see!
This photo is a gem and wants sending off to the newspapers!!!! |
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I just wondered if the street at the top left hand(running diagonally) corner was Hudson St........the patch of Green looks like it is next to what used to be the school(Woodnook)...but if anyone knows any different, I am happy to be corrected.
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Thanks Atarah, I used to live on Clement St a lifetime ago, that must be it running on the bottom with all the cars on it. What a mess.
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It's weird walking through the area shown on the photograph . You get beyond Royds Street and you come to the Christ Church area , another world - Bishop St , Rough Lee Rd , Mountain Lane , Hollins Lane etc .
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so sad used to live on Hudson back in the early 80's such a shame to see the area end up like this..... started with the factory bottoms... then higher antley street... now its moved up.... maybe hollins lane and royds avenue will follow:
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Am curious b-sound, you in a "micro light" or something? Excellent photos, excellent!
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Is one of them Augusta street? Looks like it because someone i know lived on Augusta and he has now moved due to compulsery purchase.
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I think that from bottom to top there is South St, Booth St, Royds St, Augusta St with Hudson St running up the left and Clement St running up the right side.
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me best man lived on hudson late 60s - late 70s was fine yon when i used to go round, they moved towards end of 70s, saying to me, twas getting time to move away.:eek:
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Tell the truth I was away from there mid 70's but my family lived on Hudson Street up to late 70's and it was fine..no aggro..no fires.. I mean for gods sake it looks more like Church in 1973! :D
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Nice big houses on Hudson street.what a waste.i lived up there as a youngster.That whole area was just like most other terrace areas until late 80's,then i started going down hill.I heard a few yaers ago that it was falling apart but have not even driven past there for a fair while,so its shocking to see it in that photo.Its appalling and its very sad for me to see something from my childhood as being totally destroyed :eek:
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This really is a fantastic shot of Woodnook - did you take it yourself, and where did you take it from (have a vision of someone perched from nearby Christ Church?!). This really shows the awful state the neighbourhood has been allowed to fall into - the good news is (I hope!) I'm part of the team that will transform these properties from small '2-up 2-downs' to a range of larger 2, 3 and 4-bed family homes.
Early days at the moment but hope to be able to tell you all more soon, quite fancy the idea of running a Woodnook photography competition/exhibition to document the people and properties that make up the local community - what do people think? If you did take that picture, I'd love a high res copy if that's something that can be sorted out? To be fair, I 'm up in Accy quite a lot these days and will be looking for premises in the neighbourhood - might be worth meeting up if you're interested in getting involved with the photography idea, keen to do this at grass roots level and get community involved. Martin M |
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A selection of photos of the empties taken over last 12-months round Woodnook...
https://picasaweb.google.com/1106517...eat=directlink First time I've tried posting anything to the Accy Web site, not sure how to actually add a photo onto site directly - link to Picasa will have to do for now. Any advice great fully received! |
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to upload a photo, click "post reply" then after typing the text, click on the paper clip above the white text box. Photos will have to be resized, and a maximum of ten pictures per posting.
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Ellerby - Can you say if SOUTH STREET is going to be part of the refurbishment? Have heard maybe NOT.
I lived on that street all my life, now one of my sons lives on it. We have noticed recently that quite a few of the propeties on this street are actually looking BETTER - privately owned in fact. |
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Had a walk round Duke Bar the other day, don't think quantitative easing has reached there either !
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Thanks for the note on posting images Davemac, but all I seem to get is the option to type a URL address, not an option to choose from my pictures on my laptop?
I am part of a team that hope to refurbish and remodel these homes into larger, energy efficient family homes, inc. much needed 3 & 4-beds. Hope to be able to say more in the not too distant future. |
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Instead of posting a quick reply...when you want to add pictures choose the 'Go Advanced' option....then look under the text area for a box which says attach files...choose 'Manage Attachements'....this will allow you to either browse your own pics or add pics from a web address......it will give you the option of adding 10 pictures......and you may have to resize them.
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I have put pics on here so you will know exactly what you are looking for.
I hope this helps. And good luck with your work in regenerating an area that used to be a good place to live. |
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A lot of terraces going up from the main road in Darwen have been modernised and sandblasted and look very 'desirable'. If looked after and modernised these terraces will still be lived in long after the 60's/70's breeze block and plasterboard boxes have gone. If you watch 'The Secret History of our Steets' you can see how slum properties have become £3 million pound properties- most of them don't have front gardens, in fact some didn't even have back yards! |
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This is Accrington we are talking about though. The area become how it is now because the houses were bought up by private landlords who did not care who was in them or what state they were in as long as they were getting the rent. It really annoys me that those same private landlords will have been paid more than the houses were worth in the state they were in using our money. |
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I have been asked to rename and move this thread to here. I am sure you will all find it as I have left a redirect from the Photo section
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Margaret - that's very kind of you to take the time to show me this, really helpful. I will give this a try with a few more photos in the next few days.
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You are most welcome. I reckoned that it would useful to more than just you.
I remember how I struggled to upload pictures when I first joined in the dim and distant past. It took very little time and effort. I am looking forward to seeing what you might have up your sleeve for this once lovely,but now very run down area. I grew up there, and my dear old Ma still lives there. |
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then collect several years worth of Housing benefit and haggle over the price of a compulsory purchase. |
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Just found this site by pure accident. Although it is out of date, it just shows what type of information IS available on the computer, if you just know where to look for it.
Page 4 does actually mention the Woodnook improvement. http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...hbourhoods.pdf Any updates yet Mr Ellerby? |
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My dad used to live at 44 Nuttall St
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Letters now sent out to folk in the "area" of Woodnook, explaining what will be happening.
The Council has made Woodnook its priority Regeneration Area. Phase 1 will include the refurbishment and remodelling of 89 properties between Augusta St and Booth St, but .. NOT SOUTH STREET. Why on earth has South Street been missed off. The properties on that street are also classed as "being on the wrong side of the churchyard", so what happens to those folk? |
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Hi everyone, sorry I've been a bit quiet lately, it's a very busy time planning the refurbishment of the properties in Woodnook. Thanks to June and Margaret for bringing the newsletter posted on Hyndburn Council's to peoples attention.
I thought people might like to see some of the photos we've taken over the last few months, capturing the physical impact these empty homes have on communities; whilst not exactly positive pictures, they are quite striking, and will be a good reference point once properties are remodelled and refurbished. All being well, you should see the start of on-site activity by December of this year, but please do keep your eye on the Hyndburn Council site for updates via the newsletter as I won't have time to answer questions via this forum and there are contact details on the newsletter which people can use. |
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Lack of parked cars on those streets makes for an even more eerie feeling to the photos. We have got so used to seeing lines of cars at the side of the road, but this is how the streets must have looked when the houses were built.
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I noticed - no litter
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The same is now happening in the Avenue Parade area of Accrington, street fights, drug pushers and unexplained house fires all forcing the price of the housing down. The same landlords that owned houses in Hudson St are now trying to buy up homes in Graham Jones Peel Ward for very low offers and then moving in more of these scum. I'm so angry that this is allowed to happen time and time again. |
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Woodnook used to be a good place to live, I lived there for 20 years, left in 1970. Makes me sad when I see it now.
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There are too many areas of our town run down by unscrupulous landlords
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Was this the last letter then ? Seems good to me.
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Yes, that was the summer newsletter, a winter update due in the next week or so, M
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Theyve just done a piece on bbc breakfast news about the state of the housing stock in Lancashire, theyve filmed augusta street and woodnook, ive not been up there for a long time, but it sure looks dire.I think it will be repeated in the next half hour.
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BBC News - Renovation for 200 empty terraced homes in Accrington |
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Ran out of time on my last posting, so am continuing now -
I have been on a "mission" this morning. I walked around the area, with my camera, and found it very upsetting to see. I found myself going back in time, remembering my childhood growing up there, "seeing in my mind" the families who once lived there. The walking day processions, the stashing away of wood for bonfire night, the "gangs" we had going up Oak Hill Park in an evening, NOT causing problems though, just groups of kids from the area. Playing hide and seek in The Rock Gardens. Playing tennis in the park. Happy days! Hudson Street is a street of fine, large terraced houses. Hope they are to be saved. Still cannot understand why South Street is not included in this scheme. When my aunts house was valued - in 2003, the estate said, although South Street was "not such a bad street" it was STILL ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE CHURCHYARD and so that affected his valuation! I quote [I]"Phase 1 will include the refurbishment and remodelling of 89 properties between Augusta Street and Booth Street. We will completely transform these properties from "2 up 2 down" homes that were previously costly to heat, into a range of energy efficient 2, 3 and 4-bed family homes. In total we propose to deliver 71 homes, broken down by 22 x 2 bed, 31 x 3 bed and 18 x 4 bed. All homes will be avilable for rent". |
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[QUOTE=Atarah;1035862]Ran out of time on my last posting, so am continuing now -
I have been on a "mission" this morning. I walked around the area, with my camera, and found it very upsetting to see. I found myself going back in time, remembering my childhood growing up there, "seeing in my mind" the families who once lived there. The walking day processions, the stashing away of wood for bonfire night, the "gangs" we had going up Oak Hill Park in an evening, NOT causing problems though, just groups of kids from the area. Playing hide and seek in The Rock Gardens. Playing tennis in the park. Happy days! Hudson Street is a street of fine, large terraced houses. Hope they are to be saved. Still cannot understand why South Street is not included in this scheme. When my aunts house was valued - in 2003, the estate said, although South Street was "not such a bad street" it was STILL ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE CHURCHYARD and so that affected his valuation! Just think back 10 years when those houses in Royds St, & Augusta St, were occupied, there was trouble every night on Christ Church St Back, Lemonia St, Mountain Lane & Rough Lee Rd, cars vandalised gates ripped off their hinges etc, with the different groups of drug addicts, coming and going to Oak Hill Park, & their dens in the wood between Manchester Rd & Broad Oak Factory. We don't want that lot back again, so who will they eventually rent them to, the offspring of the those we were glad to see the back of. |
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So the answer then is to knock them down and do what with the land?
Build shoe box properties at prices that no-one can affordto buy? Yes, there were bad people in those properties ten years ago...so has nothing been learned from that experience? Does the bad experience have to mean that decent people who want homes should be penalised for the wrongdoings of those who came 10 years before? If we want to get rid of those unmentionable people then we need to look at where they nestle in the town.......the focus for them, is Abbey St. |
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I had friends who lived in Royds Street and we thought they were posh. I went to school with Anne Hadfield, whose mother had a woolshop at the corner of Royds and Nuttall street. There were the Hindle twins.....I had a very soft spot for Stuart - we were seven years old and we used to catch the bus outside his grandads toffee shop on Nuttall street. Bob Wilkinsons Ironmongers was where I used to push the pram to to buy bags of coal bricks and gallon cans of 'lamp oil'. Harry Booths butchers was where Ma would send us for our fresh meat. The co-op had a grocery store and a green grocers there too. I used to run all the way along to the co-op reciting the divi number out loud.....10168,10168,10168...and by the time I got there I had forgotten what I had been sent for. I too payed in Oakhill park...rolling down the steep slope by the cenotaph. Playing in the hidden garden. It was a wholesome place...full of neighbourly folk who would help you out if you needed it. It dismays me to see it as it is now. I hope it can be revitalised and again become a worthwhile community. |
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Here is a pic of them, the three on the right - my great auntie Annie, great uncle Fred Creasey and their daughter Dorothy. Fred died late fifties - he was a great character. The lady on the left is his sister, my great auntie Rhoda. |
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The real problem is a minority of do gooders who don't have to live with the problems their views cause. |
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I think it would be too difficult to get rid of the said establishment....and if it was got rid of then I think that many people would heave a huge sigh of relief, and perhaps, block any efforts by some other charity to do similar things.
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And history only repeats itself because we are too damn stupid to learn the lessons that history shows us.
Surely, it is not beyond the inventiveness of man to sort out the problems of bad landlords and unruly tenants. There must be estates up and down the country where people rent properties and live comfortably and peaceably alongside one another. Don't tell me that every estate where rental properties are, is a 'sink' estate. |
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Back in my youth if some one made others lives a misery, and reported them, a six foot copper would turn up, knock six bells out of the offender, problem solved, no six months wait for a magistraite to issue a warning, the law today is a joke. |
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Like I said, there must be a way to control the bad landlords and the unruly tenants.
Don't bad tenants get evicted anymore. You see some councils(I'm not sure if our council is one of them) would lump all these nuisance tenants together...with no concern for other people of the area who owned their own home.......now when councils gave up on renting out homes I don't know what happened...or for that matter how legislation for unruly tenants is formualted or processed. We can't go back to the six foot copper, but there must be legal alternatives. |
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Knock them down and build modern efficient shoe box houses that people can afford to rent, heat and light. We used to live in a new ish North British housing association house, it was warm, light, not damp like our previous rented house. Gas bill was low, it had a high fenced garden so the kids were safe when they were small. Lots of off road parking. Our front door didn't open onto the street, we had a small front garden and a grass square shared by 5 houses in an L shape.
In my opinion much better than anything they will do with the old 2 up 2 downs in that area. With a little thought and planning they could make the area nice. The efficient bit in the story was a little worrying, the usual way is to clad the outside of the house to make it more insulated, it looks horrible, flat like a rendered wall. |
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omg that photograph is amazing. I have recently come back from the Portsmouth area and was in a local pub and chatting about Accrington and the landlady heard and said oh my goodness that is the town that everyone is trying to leave as housing is supposed to be really bad there. I said what makes you say that, she told me she heard it on the television only the other night. Haven't a clue what program but really there are so many good areas in Accrington this picture is shocking.
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Hey everyone
Those of you who still live in and around the Woodnook area may have noticed that work has now begun on the demolition of the rear yards and outriggers on the properties between Booth Street and Royds Street - great to see this project finally hit the ground and begin to deliver real positive for the Woodnook community - click on this link to some photo's PlaceFirst commissioned on Monday whilst the BBC's One Show team were up filming. https://picasaweb.google.com/1114827...8QE&feat=email |
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If you're interested in the empty homes project in Woodnook, here's a link to PlaceFirst's Flickr gallery where new albums have been added. There's a nice one highlighting all of the nice places, amenities, etc within a 10-minute walk, and there's some interesting shots showing progress on the show homes.
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Hi Mr Ellerby, thanks for posting. Will have a good read of it in a moment.
You probably are not aware of a lady who lived in Augusta St a long time ago. She had a book of poems published, which was looked upon as being a real achievement for her, as she was a mill lass, so would have spent most of her time working hard (think it was this street, will check it out). Her name was Matilda Harrison and her book was called "The Poet's Wreath" - one of her poems was named "My Childhood Home". Although her own street. Augusta, has now been "saved" she must have looked upon an earlier home being demolished and decided to write about it. Ye might have spared my childhood’s home, That long remembered’d spot That wheresoe’er on earth I roam Will never be forgot Smile not because those walls are dear, More dear than words can tell, Nor deem me weak if, with a tear, I bid them now farewell. |
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great this is looking good :-) at least the streets have been saved and will live to tell more tales.... grew up there myself : well done :-)
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Looks like the show home is nearly done. Anyone know when the contractors are coming in to do the rest of them?
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This thread has been running now for near 3 years, some firm claiming they are doing the area up, all I ever see every time I drive up Royds St are the same boarded up properties. Are they ever going to actually do some thing, or is it all hype as usual, never seen any workmen in all this time, plenty of doctored photo's on a web site, what I would like to see is actual work being done. The whole area was built in less than 3 years back in the 1890's.
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I heard some interesting things about this scheme recently but I can't repeat them for legal reasons. Looks like something funny is going on. I am led to believe the houses were allegedly in very poor condition structurally but haven't seen the documents to prove it myself. I was never in favour of restoring the houses. Mainly because parking was always an issue in that area as with most terraced streets and they don't appear to have addressed it. They are supposed to be family homes but there is no safe place for children to play, no gardens and no play places. Kids playing on streets is another issue with terraced housing. I live in a terraced house in an area with lots of terraced houses so I see these issues daily.
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Just been to have a look round Bellfield Rd, Royds St, Augusta St, & Wilfred St, Bellfield looks fully occupied, there are some houses on Wilfred St occupied, just looks like they've had new widows & doors fitted, still 50% boarded up. Why should some of them be structurally unsound yet others are not, the whole block from Bellfield Rd to South St, Clement St to Hudson St were all built at the same time, during the late 1980's & 1890's. So what is going on, why can't they come straight out and say it, its been 3 years.
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Hi everyone,
It's been a while since I was last on here, mainly because we've been so busy getting the project motoring - any of you who live in Woodnook will know there is lots of regeneration work going on across Woodnook now. If you are interested in keeping up to date on what's happening, you can find plenty of info on the internet: Hyndburn Council's site, including ALL the newsletters that have been distributed to the Woodnook community - Woodnook - Woodnook Regeneration There's more detailed information on the new, energy efficient homes available to rent on the PlaceFirst website - Woodnook | PlaceFirst, CT Investment Partners, CTIP, North West Fund There is also a Woodnook Facebook page which promotes local events, offers from local businesses, photos of local area, news on the regeneration, etc https://www.facebook.com/ourwoodnook Just to clear up any confusion, the new & refurbished homes are NOT social housing and are, instead, aimed at lower income working families who are locked out of home ownership, whilst at the same time being a low priority for scarcely available social housing due to household income. |
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Hi everyone,
Does anyone have any old photo's of The Britannia Inn they'd be happy to share on the forum? I've been to the archives in Preston but could only find a partial shot of the pub looking down Nuttall Street? The pub will be refurbished externally soon and PlaceFirst would like to try and be sensitive to it's heritage. Main things we're looking for are window and door types, colour (could be hard if they're old photos!) and original signage. If anyone can help, it would be much appreciated. Martin |
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