Pineapple pub?
 

Was talking to my 81 yr old cousin just now and she said one of her grandparents used to run the Pineapple pub in Accy. She would like to know where it was, thinks it might have been in the Abbey Street/Manchester Road area.

Has anyone heard of this pub or does anyone know where it might have been?

Thanks

Sue

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Was a pineapple in Blackburn Susie, seem to recall n accy landlady taking it in 60s, went oer once to see her, but can't remember were it was. was a lion house i think.

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The Pine Apple Inn was 4&6 Elephant St, Accrington. Ann Mile was the landlady in 1891.

Retlaw.

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What a coincidence,twas Eileen the landlady of the Welcome Inn on Elephant St, took the Pineapple in Blackburn, The Welcome wouldn't be the same Spot as the Accy Pineapple was walter?:confused:

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Have been away too long! Please can someone remind me where Elephant street is?

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Google maps wont show you, because it it was pulled down long ago.
I found this in another thread - see post #20
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...-a-2869-2.html

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Thank you Walter for the info on the pub and thanks Margaret for pointing me to the Elephant street thread. What a helpful lot you are on Acccyweb!

I knew the name but couldn't place the street but if it was near Plantation St/Birtwistle St I must have walked past it hundreds of times in the 50s on my way to/from Central Prep school in Hargreaves St from the hospital area.

Sadly I couldn't see the pic associated with that thread but am speculating as Cashy did as to whether the Welcome Inn used to be the Pineapple.

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If yeh went up Plantation St susie, Elephant St was on the right hand side, It actually ran just 1 block, From Plantation St to Birtwistle St.;) if they were the same pubs in same place, What a coincidence the landlady goin to the blackburn one.

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I do vaguely remember it being a very short street, which lends support to the idea that there was only one pub, with different names at different times.

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Yeh but on the other thread someone says the welcome was no7, Yet walters info says pineapple was 4-6, which suggests opposite side of street?:confused:

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That is true Cashy, amazing how many pubs there must have been way back :thepint:

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My cousin will be pleased to have located the Pineapple at least.

Her maiden surname was Tattersall and on Rootsweb I found mention of a John Tattersall living in Elephant street, don't know what number, at the 1851 census, not a publican but a calico printer. He was born in 1820 so would be quite a few generations before my cousin who was born in 1930. Will have to research this further.

*JOHN2 TATTERSALL (*JOHN1)1 was born September 18, 1820 in
Accrington, Lancs. England1. He married *ELLEN WELCH January 01, 1845
in St. James Parish, Accrington, Lancs. England, daughter of THOMAS
WELCH. She was born Abt. 1822 in Accrington, Lancs. England1.

Notes for *JOHN TATTERSALL:
Address: Elephant Street, New Accrington, Lanc., England on the 1851
Census, Age given as 30 years old.



More About *JOHN TATTERSALL:
Baptism: November 19, 1820, St. James Parish, Accrington, Lancs. England
Occupation: Calico Printer on 1851 census. Listed as printer prior to
1854, after 1857 listed as labourer.
Residence: Born at New Row, Accrington

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The Welcome was 7&9 Elephant St, across the street, Thomas Kenyon was the Landlord in 1891

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Thanks for another nugget of information. :)

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Ya cashy used to go in there with my mate who lived round the corner, the pub was on Johnson Street

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Quite a lot.
In the block staring at Adelaide St, to Plantation St, from Abbey St, to Cobham Rd.
There were the 12 places to get plastered.
Swan Inn Abbey St,
Kings Arms Lee St,
Gardeners Arms Chapel St,
Oak Tree Inn Abbey St,
Red Lion Abbey St,
Peels Arms Birtwistle St,
Pine Apple Elephant St,
Prince of Wales Higher Pitt St,
Royal Oak Plantation St,
St Ledger Plantation St,
Weavers Arms Abbey St.
Welcome Inn Elephant St,
Two church's Wesley & New Jerusalem, more supped than prayed.

Retlaw.

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Great stuff Walter, cheers!

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I have no reference books to assist me, but have not heard of the Peel's Arms on Birtwistle St. , where there was a Colliers Arms at one time.(certainly 1951) Perhaps name changes occured, though I doubt it, as they were not common in the 19th century. This reinforces my thought that a detailed study is required of Accrington pub names & locations. There was a Peel Arms on Burnley Rd at its junction with Whalley d.

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This is getting silly! just found this on a website about closed pubs Elephant Inn, Accrington - another lost pub

The Elephant Inn was situated on Elephant Street. Closed in 1966 due to its location in a redevelopment area.
Source: Max Taylor

Now either there were three pubs on Elephant Street or this is one of the other two by another name - or Max Taylor who submitted this is totally mistaken. The website also mentions the Welcome Inn with no closure date listed, but not the Pineapple.

According to a listing in the London Gazette for 1973 copied below, Elephant Street was only 150 feet long. Three pubs in that length would not be bad going!

Bob you might find the lost pubs site useful to check your thoughts in your last post.

ACCRINGTON BOROUGH COUNCIL
Notice of applications to stop up certain highways under
section 108 and the 12th Schedule to the Highways
Act 1959.

Application I
Those parts of the highway known as Higher Pitt Street,
Accrington, the one 162 feet and the other 102 feet in
length ex-tending respectively from Plantation Street to
Birtwistle Street and from Higher Pitt Street aforesaid to
the common yard formerly serving the dwelling houses 13-
27 Birtwistle Street shown on the said plan and coloured
green thereon.
Application II
The highway known as Elephant Street, Accrington,
150 feet in length extending from Plantation Street to
Birtwistle Street shown on the said plan and coloured
yellow thereon.
Application III
The highway or back street lying behind Elephant Street
and Law Street 147 feet in length extending from Plantation
Street to Birtwistle Street shown on the said plan
and coloured blue thereon.
Application IV
(a) The highway known as Law Street, Accrington, 144
feet in length extending from Plantation Street to
Birtwistle Street shown on the said plan and coloured
red thereon ;
(&) The highway known as Agnes Street, Accringtpn,
extending from Law Street in a north-easterly direction
for a distance of 72 feet shown on the said plan
and also coloured red thereon ;
(c) The highway or back street lying behind Law Street
98 feet in length and extending from Plantation Street
ito Agnes Street shown on the said plan and also
coloured red thereon.
Dated 14th February 1973.

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My cousiin was pleased that I had located the Pineapple for her and told me a bit more about the family. It was her great grandfather who had the pub, she thinks he was called John, but it would have been later than the John Tattersall who was living in Elephant street in 1851, see post 12. That John had six sons one of whom might have been publican John's father.

According to my cousin's father the publican ran off with the takings and ended up in St Louis USA. His wife Alice had two letters from him which were found among her things when she died. One was written on the ship, the other from St Louis. She never saw him again and was left with two children, a boy of 12 and a girl of ten. The boy Robert was married in 1890 and born late 1860s so the publican's flight to America must have been about late 1870s/1880.

Fascinating, if true, but you never know with these family stories!

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You know quite well that all the names of old pubs & ale houses has already been done, your just piqued because you don't have a copy of it.
Just do what I did go through all the old newspapers,
journals, council minutes, census returns, etc.
The Peels Arms was in Birtwistle St, the site is now covered by the new housing. Nowt to do with the Peel Arms. The Colliers Arms was at 31 Birtwistle St.
Why you doubt names changes beats me, many name changes have occurred over the past 150 years.

Retlaw.

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The info is wrong susie. There was "NO" "Elephant Inn" On Elephant St in 1966 or from 1962 even, cos i was supping underage in the Welcome Inn, from then.Plus from 1964-66 I was living on Birtwistle St, corner of Elephant St at "Black Annies" Lodging House.;) Its n error in the book.

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[quote=susie123;969217]This is getting silly! just found this on a website about closed pubs Elephant Inn, Accrington - another lost pub

The Elephant Inn was situated on Elephant Street. Closed in 1966 due to its location in a redevelopment area.
Source: Max Taylor
Thats what you get when you believe all that appears on the internet.
There were only two pubs in Elephant St, I lived in Hargreaves St in the 1930's which is not very far from where Elephant St was. A member of the Accrington Pals lived on that street next to the ginnal that led thro to Higher Pitt St.
Retlaw

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Thanks Cashman and Walter, thought it must be wrong, good to have it confirmed by local residents.

By the way Cashy the info was on a website not in a book.

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Sorry susie, same difference though, anyone can put out on either.;)

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When someone is writing a book I would hope that they research well, check facts and edit/proofread thoroughly. A book can stay around for a long time. Websites, being more ephemeral, tend not to receive the same attention to detail, sad to say.

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Hope they research well n actually doin so are 2 different things susie, as i'm sure retlaw can attest to.;)

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Used to be a researcher, got to stick up for em!

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Its no different than any job.Good n Bad in all fields.;)

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Trouble is some people just rely on other folks work, add a few embelishmets, then pass it off as there own work.
Retlaw.

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That I can Cashy, I also spend a lot of time rechecking that I've got things right, to me if its a thou out its a scrapper. I hate errors & try my best to be as accurate as possible.
Retlaw.

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Naa then Retlaw. I DO look at old newspapers etc., and I have to question the location of the Pineapple - in an 1898 newspaper article on the "Re-assessment of licensed houses", it states the address was - 31 Birtwhistle Street, so...........who knows for sure?

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No bodies questioning that, I know you look at loads of stuff in the library, I also found the Pineapple in Elephant St, the Colliers at 31 Birtwistle St.
The Colliers at 34 Bank St, and the Colliers at Bedlam, so pubs and ale houses did change their names in those days, especially if the landlord lost his licience, and some one else took over.
It's just that some people seem to think all my research should be handed over to them.
I do it because I want too. Just as you do, curiosity.
Some are too bone idle to do their own research, and think every thing should be made available just for them. They get up my nose, especially when they start to question things, just because I won't make it available to them.
Rant over.
Retlaw

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Spoken to Pam Waring (Marsden as was) who lived in the shop on the corner of Plantation Street and Elephant Street. She tells me the pub was the "Come and Welcome" and remembers across the street judging by the frontage there may well have been another pub. Methinks this is the missing Pineapple?
She also confirms the Colliers was on Plantation Street.

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There is no pub missing, I suggest you read some of the previous posts, but just in case you haven't here is the list again.

In the block staring at Adelaide St, to Plantation St, from Abbey St, to Cobham Rd.
There were the 12 places to get plastered.
Swan Inn Abbey St.
Kings Arms Lee St.
Gardeners Arms Chapel St.
Oak Tree Inn Abbey St.
Red Lion Abbey St.
Peels Arms Birtwistle St.
Pine Apple Elephant St.
Prince of Wales Higher Pitt St.
Royal Oak Plantation St.
St Ledger Plantation St.
Weavers Arms Abbey St.
Welcome Inn Elephant St.
Two church's, Wesley & New Jerusalem, more supped than prayed.
That pub never had a sign which read Come & Welcome, when those pubs were selling stagger juice, I lived for over 20 years round the other corner in Hargreaves St.

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OK I'll revise my post to read "Methinks this is the Pineapple"
And with just a sprinkle of pedant dust..is it Pine Apple or t'other"

Pam says it was known as the "Come and Welcome" as you say pub names change overtime and there may well have never been a sign specifically to that effect and in the records of course I see it always referred to as the Welcome.
What about the Colliers on Plantation Street missing off the list you so kindly sent me?

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The Colliers was not on Plantation St mate, twas a Lion House on Birtwistle St, n round the corner on Elephant St was another Lion House The Welcome Inn, both of those were watering holes of mine.;) That would be early 60s. The other pub on Elephant St was gone then.

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Thanks cashman..was it the St Ledger then on Plantation Street? Thwaites ales as I recall.

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Yep to both, another of me haunts.:)

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Cheers cashman.
Found this on the www London Gazette.... "Isaac Dixon, formerly of Bank-street, Accrington, in the
county of Lancaster, then of BricUcliffe-row, Whal'eyroad,
Accrington aforesaid, Journeyman Joiner, and late
of the St. Ledger, Plantation-street, Accrington aforesaid,
Licensed Victualler and Journeyman Joiner.


http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issu.../1659/page.pdf

Entry for John Mayes on there also illuminating in respect of posts about the Farriers Arms on Bank Street too.

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The Colliers Arms pub was in Birtwistle St not Plantation Street I can remember Ruby who was the landlady when I was a little girl

The St Ledger pub was in plantation Street Elephant street and Law street were two of the Streets which were demolished to make way for the flats that were built that are now called Ledger Court.

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Can't remember the Colliers landlady,:confused: But remember Eileen at the Welcome very well, funnily enough she took the Pineapple in Blackburn when she left.:) seem to think her husband died when he fell down the cellar, which was directly under the bar.:eek:

I can remember the pub on elephant street don't recall landlord or landlady tho.I was born in Midland Street at the bottom right hand side that side of the St was demolished to make way for the flats called Ledger Court in fact Higher Pitt St Wesley St Chapel St Elephant St and Law St were all demolished to make way for the flats.Wonder if anyone remembers my uncle Jack ? he and my Aunt Emma had an hardware shop it was situated on Plantation St in between Colliers back and the bottom of Law St.My lovely Aunt Emma was killed crossing the road at the bottom of Plantation St she was going to Thorntons Chemist which was situated across the road next to Fosters paper shop.My uncle was called Jack Briggs he was my mums older brother he never got over Emma's death and sadly passed away soon after her they had no children it was a sad time for my mum and her siblings.Also does anyone remember the row of little cottages at the bottom of Birtwistle St I for one was very sad that they were demolished to make way for the flats an old lady by the name of Bertha Street lived in one of the cottages and she never got over losing her little cottage it was so sad wonder if anyone remembers her.

Oh forgot to mention does anyone remember Mother Gums Shop on Plantation St it was very dark in the shop and always smelt of snuff to me mother gum was a tiny lady if I remember but for some reason I was always a little bit scared of her.

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That's interesting, I started this thread because my cousin wanted to know where the pub was that one of her ancestors used to run. Twelve years ago she lived in St Leger Court! Will have to tell her she was on home ground when she lived there.

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Its been a very interesting thread,at least to me anyway.:D

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I well remember all those names & places, alleys & back streets etc, I lived in Hargreaves St from 1935 till 1955. By the way the Chemist in Abbery St wasn't next to Fosters Paper shop, it was at the top of Black Abbey St, on the corner with Abbey St, the site is now empty, wasn't it called Hothersalls.
Mother Gums shop, she was the 2nd generation to live there, her mother was known as old mother Gum, used to get some of my toffee ration there.

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Didn't have to wait long to tell her - she rang me two minutes after I made that post!

You could be right about the name and position of the chemist I was only young then but that is where my Aunt Emma was run over.

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Higher Pitt St Wesley St Chapel St Elephant St and Law St were all demolished to make way for the flats.
Wesley St. Where did that one come from.
Wesley St is off Tanpits Rd, Church.
Quite a few other places were demolished around that time, for the new flats, and more so for the construction of East Gate.
Bunny's Back, Pinch Belly Row, Prince o Wales, thowd Co-op Joiners, Blacksmiths at top of Elephant St, Briggs Yard, Hilda's Green Grocers, etc etc.

I was probably thinking of the Church that was at the back of the Swan pub if it wasn't Wesly St would it be Hargreaves St ? Tell you this gettin old sucks!!!!!

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I'm a dammed sight older than you but when I close my eyes I can see the area where I lived as clear as any photograph, and as it was then, not as it is today.
The church which you refer to as the back of the Swan pub, wasn't at the back. it was in the middle of the block on Abbey St, from Adelaide St, to Birtwistle St, it belonged to the Swedenbourgs, and was known as the New Jerusalem Church. The Wesley Church was on the Corner of Abbey St, and Spring Gardens.
Behind the Swan, in Adelaide St, was a doctors house and surgery, it was later used by a firm of Printers, then came Cockerell Court, 4 houses in there, one of my ancestors lived there in the 1870's. Next up Adelaide St, was Hargreaves St, then Chapel St, Quarry St, Sandy lane, Midland St, Cobham Rd, and so on up to Barnfield St.

We moved from that area when I was tiny that is why my memory is not as good as yours!!!.But I do remember the little pen that was at the top of Birtwistle Street on the last hand side going up because my dad used to take me to feed the hens it was just before you got to Cobham Road.

Meant to say left hand side of Birtwistle St.

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Hello, I have just stumbled on this post and can provide some info on the Pine Apple pub from my Ancestry research. I have found a very distant "relation" Jeremiah Farrington, born 1856 in Rochdale, and his wife Isabella (nee Hill), born 1863 in Manchester. According to the 1901 census, Jeremiah was the inn-keeper of the Pine Apple at 4 Elephant Street, Accrington.

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Very sorry to hear that the lady had passed away. Thank you for the information Retlaw.

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Was the pub up Manchester Rd on the left just past Nobby's called the Pineapple.

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Could it be The Beehive ?

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I think that the pub up Manchester Road just past Nobby's was The Station.

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I read your White Lion teaser this afternoon Retlaw, then just now my bed time read gave me the answer, I think....could it have been on the site of the old fire station or thereabouts, am I near?

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