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Atarah 03-04-2012 03:41

Unusual names
 
This must be one of the most unusual names I have ever come across as being a resident of Accrington

A marriage took place on 4th Nov 1880 at St James, Cannon Street, Accrington, Lancs. between

Alexander Constantine Liperindi Luders Goetshakoff Manchakoff Oloff Brounow Soukyponet Broughton - 24 Iron Moulder Bachelor of 50 King Street and
Margaret Rothwell - 24 Spinster of 3 Ellison Street

Groom's Father: John Broughton, Painter
Bride's Father: James Rothwell, Deceased,

where on earth did the father, John Broughton, get the idea to give his son those names? There MUST be a story there?

garinda 03-04-2012 06:23

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Like you say, there has to be a story, behind that mouthful.

I wonder if the vicar got the bride to repeat them all, and in the right order?

Can't be any help, sorry, but did come across this.

All the surnames in Accrington, taken from the 1881 census.

Which is quite interesting, seeing all the names listed together.

All surnames in Accrington from the 1881 British Census | British Surnames, Surname Distribution and Surname Profiles

maxthecollie 03-04-2012 07:36

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Did his father manage a russian football team?

jaysay 03-04-2012 08:38

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Ya like the Beckhams naming their first child after Brooklyn the place he was conceived, its a good job me and the wife didn't take the route in naming our first, or every Saturday morning when my daughter arrives I'd be saying good morning back of a Vauxhall Victor:D

Bob Dobson 03-04-2012 09:25

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I have a mate who believes he was conceived on the stairs. He used to call himself 'the child of the Immaculate Conception'

Back to the thread - I suggest Atarah emails the local Family History Society branch to ask if there is any member researching the Broughtons. He/she may come up with an explanantion. OK Atarah?

MargaretR 03-04-2012 10:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 982096)
Margaret Rothwell - 24 Spinster of 3 Ellison Street

:signntme:- It may a distant relative.

susie123 03-04-2012 10:54

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Alexander Constantine Liperindi Luders Goetshakoff Manchakoff Oloff Brounow Soukyponet Broughton

If he was 24 in 1880 he would have been born around 1856, just after the end of the Crimean War. I think his father (?or his mother) had an interest in Russian history, looking at those names.

Allowing for transliteration/illiteracy:

Alexander II, Tsar of Russia from 1855
Alexander II of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Constantine: Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolayevich of Russia, Alexander's brothr and head of the navy during the Crimean War
Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolayevich of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Luders: Count Alexander Nikolajewitsch von Lüders, active in the Napoleonic Wars and after
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexand...on_L%C3%BCders

Goetschakoff: Prince Alexander Mikhailovich Gorchakov, Foreign Minister when the Crimean War was drawing to a close and represented the Tsar at the Paris Congress of 1856
Gorchakov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Manchakoff: Prince Aleksandr Sergeyevich Menschikov, commander-in-chief on land and sea at the start of the Crimean War
Alexander Sergeyevich Menshikov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Orloff: Prince Alexey Fyodorovich Orlov, played a part in both the Napoleonic and Crimean Wars
Orlov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Still working on Liperindi, Brounow and Soukyponet!

Retlaw 03-04-2012 10:58

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Ancestry can nearly beat that, looking for a soldier who was supposed to be an Accrington man, came across a man name Littemess, opened the page. and his name was Septimus.
Retlaw.

susie123 03-04-2012 11:31

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Liperindi: General Pavel Petrovich Liprandi, Crimean War commander
Pavel Liprandi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Brounow: Baron Brunow/Brunnow, Russian ambassador before and after the Crimean War
Papers Past — Lyttelton Times — 1 Haratua 1858 — Miscellaneous.
Philipp von Brunnow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Soukyponet still defeating me!

steve2qec 03-04-2012 19:00

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Bet he got some stick at school...!
Thought there might be a Russian connection on Alexander's mothers side but her surname was Ward....and he was born in 1856, Sue.
Looks like he had a brother called Adolphus and a sister? called Algo Vera. Plus some sisters with more "normal" names.

susie123 03-04-2012 19:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steve2qec (Post 982263)
Bet he got some stick at school...!
Thought there might be a Russian connection on Alexander's mothers side but her surname was Ward....and he was born in 1856, Sue.
Looks like he had a brother called Adolphus and a sister? called Algo Vera. Plus some sisters with more "normal" names.

Algo Vera?? Isn't that what you slap on your sunburn??

BTW Steve where did all this come from? Do you subscribe to an ancestry site??

steve2qec 03-04-2012 19:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 982267)
Algo Vera?? Isn't that what you slap on your sunburn??

BTW Steve where did all this come from? Do you subscribe to an ancestry site??

Sounds a bit Spanish to me.

Got that info from here:
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi

....and it's FREE!!!!

anzac 03-04-2012 19:21

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I actually indexed this entry for the Lancashire BMD Project and at the time looked at the births of the other members of the family to see what other names they came up with. Always thought there was a story behind this but will never know.

susie123 03-04-2012 19:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steve2qec (Post 982263)
Bet he got some stick at school...!
Thought there might be a Russian connection on Alexander's mothers side but her surname was Ward....and he was born in 1856, Sue.
Looks like he had a brother called Adolphus and a sister? called Algo Vera. Plus some sisters with more "normal" names.

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve2qec (Post 982275)
Sounds a bit Spanish to me.

Got that info from here:
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi

....and it's FREE!!!!

Silly me - of course!

I use FreeBMD, not used the Lancs one... BTW the link you posted did not work for me.

steve2qec 03-04-2012 19:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 982283)
Silly me - of course!

I use FreeBMD, not used the Lancs one... BTW the link you posted did not work for me.

Oh yeah, you're right! Think it's because I linked the "Broughton" births page and not the sites main page.

susie123 03-04-2012 19:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steve2qec (Post 982263)
Looks like he had a brother called Adolphus and a sister? called Algo Vera. Plus some sisters with more "normal" names.

More likely a girl...

Baby Name Guesser - the first name Algo - analysis of first names, popular boy and girl names, male names, female names

Algo in Spanish means "something".

Bob Dobson 04-04-2012 07:11

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Atarah On 1st May, the speaker at the Hyndburn branch of the Family Hiostory Society is a Mrs Broughtoin, a formner registrar of BM&Ds. I suggest you drop them a line to bring this name to her notice. It may be that she is descended from your chap and knows summat about the reasons for the names.

susie123 04-04-2012 09:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steve2qec (Post 982263)
Bet he got some stick at school...!
Thought there might be a Russian connection on Alexander's mothers side but her surname was Ward....and he was born in 1856, Sue.
Looks like he had a brother called Adolphus and a sister? called Algo Vera. Plus some sisters with more "normal" names.

Looks like you missed one Steve, James Horsfold born 1847.

That makes five girls and three boys, from 1847 to 1863. Parents John Broughton and Elizabeth Ward, married St James's Accrington 1845.

I was wondering whether the name Algo for one of the girls might be a mistranscription of Alice or similar somewhere along the line?

Bob Dobson 05-04-2012 08:24

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Alexander may have been ill at ease with his names, as he named his children:-
Mary Emma, James, Maggie, Hary and Ethel. I wonder if this is the same family as the one which started the plumbers merchants (?) in King St under the viaduct?
There was a James Broughton, a solicitor, who died in 1914 aged 56yrs.

jaysay 05-04-2012 08:47

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There was a girl who was a big mate of my first wife, they worked in the office at Shopfitters, she was called Perthia (not sure of the spelling here) and she hated it, she always said she would change her name by deed poll when she was old enough, not sure if she did or not

Bob Dobson 05-04-2012 08:53

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In the Blackburn Standard edition of 23rd May 1891 is a story about Alexander. He had won a gold watch, value £5 in a competition run in the 'Ha'porth' magazine as the man with the most letters (22) in his name. Two witnesses who supported his application won £1 each. He was commonly known as 'Gortcha'

susie123 05-04-2012 09:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 982629)
Alexander may have been ill at ease with his names, as he named his children:-
Mary Emma, James, Maggie, Hary and Ethel. I wonder if this is the same family as the one which started the plumbers merchants (?) in King St under the viaduct?
There was a James Broughton, a solicitor, who died in 1914 aged 56yrs.

Were you expecting Tatiana, Olga, Anastasia, Nicholas and Alexei, Bob?? ;)

There was a James Broughton born in 1858 in Accrington, mother's maiden name Walker. That was possibly the solicitor. Thought Broughton was quite a common Accy name.

Atarah 05-04-2012 13:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 982629)
There was a James Broughton, a solicitor, who died in 1914 aged 56yrs.

Now come on Bob. You know very well you can go much further back in Accrington with the history of the Broughton family - the old cloggers in Warner Street were of the same family as the Broughtons who were, up to fairly recently, both under the arches and at the top of Church Street with their plumbing businesses.(now site of The Pals medical centre). Until quite recently, Clitheroe Castle had a cloggers shop/contents on show, it was the actual one from Accrington! They were a very well known family having Aldermen, Mayors etc. amongst the family. One of them was also connected with the Lancashire Authors Association. A bit of delving will probably prove our "Gortcha" was of the same family.

susie123 05-04-2012 13:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 982639)
In the Blackburn Standard edition of 23rd May 1891 is a story about Alexander. He had won a gold watch, value £5 in a competition run in the 'Ha'porth' magazine as the man with the most letters (22) in his name. Two witnesses who supported his application won £1 each. He was commonly known as 'Gortcha'

Where do you get 22 from Bob? The whole name has 88, Alexander Broughton only 17.

Michael1954 05-04-2012 15:04

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 982711)
Where do you get 22 from Bob? The whole name has 88, Alexander Broughton only 17.

Where do you get 88 and 17 from?

susie123 05-04-2012 15:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 982722)
Where do you get 88 and 17 from?

Think there's been a misunderstanding here. I took it to mean the number of individual letters in the name, Bob obviously meant number of letters of the alphabet - no j, q, v or z.

Alexander Constantine Liperindi Luders Goetshakoff Manchakoff Oloff Brounow Soukyponet Broughton

Michael1954 05-04-2012 15:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 982735)
Think there's been a misunderstanding here. I took it to mean the number of individual letters in the name, Bob obviously meant number of letters of the alphabet - no j, q, v or z.

Alexander Constantine Liperindi Luders Goetshakoff Manchakoff Oloff Brounow Soukyponet Broughton

Even so, count up the number of individual letters in the name. I make it 87 for the full name and 18 for Alexander Broughton.

susie123 05-04-2012 15:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 982737)
Even so, count up the number of individual letters in the name. I make it 87 for the full name and 18 for Alexander Broughton.

You're right, it's 87. Should have gone to Specsavers.

Gordon Booth 05-04-2012 16:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 982737)
Even so, count up the number of individual letters in the name. I make it 87 for the full name and 18 for Alexander Broughton.

Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 982739)
You're right, it's 87. Should have gone to Specsavers.

Good grief, you two, have you nothing better to do?(smilie)
Let's just agree there's a lot!

susie123 05-04-2012 16:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 982745)
Good grief, you two, have you nothing better to do?(smilie)
Let's just agree there's a lot!

Bob started it!!! see post 21. :p

And the answer, Gordon, is no I have nothing better to do at the moment, not fit enough to do the gardening sadly in all this lovely weather, more's the pity... :(

jaysay 05-04-2012 17:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 982748)
Bob started it!!! see post 21. :p

And the answer, Gordon, is no I have nothing better to do at the moment, not fit enough to do the gardening sadly in all this lovely weather, more's the pity... :(

Its a good job you don't live on Anglesey:D

Gordon Booth 05-04-2012 17:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 982748)
Bob started it!!! see post 21. :p

And the answer, Gordon, is no I have nothing better to do at the moment, not fit enough to do the gardening sadly in all this lovely weather, more's the pity... :(

It's bitter cold out there Susie, leave the gardening.
My garage roof wants re-sealing but 'till the weather improves I think I'd rather count letters!

Michael1954 05-04-2012 17:17

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Uncle Bob is an AGSOB. We've got to stick together!

susie123 05-04-2012 17:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 982756)
Uncle Bob is an AGSOB. We've got to stick together!

Well it's better than being an ASGOB I suppose - talking out of one's rear end!

My bro is too - an AGSOB I mean - but he would have been between you and Bob, having been born in 1950.

Gordon Booth 05-04-2012 17:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 982756)
Uncle Bob is an AGSOB. We've got to stick together!

So am I but if you're all sticky I'll not get too close!

DaveinGermany 05-04-2012 21:10

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When I was delivering the Beers round Germany there was a Pub up Lüneburg way run by a couple of Sisters, now there old Dad must of been a right one for his Cars as the girls were called Porsche & Mercedes. :) (I kid you not, that's a true story that)

cashman 05-04-2012 21:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 982795)
When I was delivering the Beers round Germany there was a Pub up Lüneburg way run by a couple of Sisters, now there old Dad must of been a right one for his Cars as the girls were called Porsche & Mercedes. :) (I kid you not, that's a true story that)

I once met a bird called Mercedes in Rotterdam way back, thought i was stoned but she showed me her I.D.

flashy 05-04-2012 21:49

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You lot should try being called Shanida

cashman 05-04-2012 21:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 982807)
You lot should try being called Shanida

It don't really suit a bloke shaz.:D

MargaretR 05-04-2012 21:55

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Mercedes was the name of the daughter of one of the founders of the Mercedes Benz company

Mercedes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The History Behind The Mercedes-Benz Brand And The Three-Pointed Star | eMercedesBenz - The Unofficial Mercedes-Benz Weblog

"On June 23, 1902, ‘Mercédès’ was lodged as the trade name and this was legally registered on September 26. From June 1903, Emil Jellinek obtained permission to call himself Jellinek-Mercedes, commenting that “this is probably the first time a father has taken his daughter’s name.”

margaretb 29-11-2014 15:46

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I realise that this is a late response to the original post on this subject, but Alexander C L L G M O B S Broughton (all Russian general names) was my maternal great grandfather.

In Bob Dobsons post (no 10) he lists his children, my grandmother Ethel was the youngest of his children.

Am just starting researching family tree so any further information would be welcome.

Bob Dobson 29-11-2014 18:58

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Margaret has resurrected a thread that hasn't appeared for over 2 years. I had forgotten about it. I shall PM her with some advice, which in short is -join the Lancashire Family History Society, even if for one year only. There is plenty of assistance to be had , esp if you live in NE Lancs......I cannot recall where I got the info about 'Gortcha' from.


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