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Morecambe Ex Pat 20-02-2016 07:07

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It isn't the Duke of Wellington but you more than make up for getting that wrong by making the family connection. The photo is from our ever increasing collection of family artefacts.

dotti34 20-02-2016 07:25

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It IS the Crown Inn, Whalley Road, though - isn't it!

dotti34 20-02-2016 07:47

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I cheated a bit - after searching through lots of websites trying to match it up I went through the photos on yours - and Eureka! I found it. No, that's not cheating - I call it using my nous and I do hate to be outdone. Actually I had thought this was the one earlier but couldn't get a photo that matched - until I went on your site.

dotti34 20-02-2016 08:14

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Just looking at today's map, I think the place is just called The Crown now, but it WAS The Crown Inn in Harry and Alice Ann's day.

By the way, I enjoyed looking at all the photos on your website, Morecambe Ex Pat. It's a great site.

Morecambe Ex Pat 20-02-2016 09:26

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Thanks Dotti, you are indeed correct with the Crown Inn.
I have posted the unedited photo which shows 2 distinct clues, the name of the pub and Whalley Road Accrington.

If you can help identify any of the people or tell us about any of the artefacts, on the site, we would be very grateful.

We are slowly working through the items and putting names to faces but it is a time consuming process.

We need a few more trips down to Accrington in order to verify some information. We just hope that if they do close the libraries, that they don't just dump all the valuable work that many people have done over the years.

Bob Dobson 20-02-2016 19:34

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I think the Crown is the only pub owned by a football club - am I correct?

dotti34 20-02-2016 23:29

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The only people I recognise so far in your photos are the Clark family, i.e. Harry, Betty (Elizabeth), Jack, Irene and Frank, and Harry's mother. Betty was the sister of my husband's mother. I'll get his nibs to have a look also.

Morecambe Ex Pat 21-02-2016 07:52

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Dotti - Any help you can give would be appreciated. If you register as a member, you have access to the interactive family tree section which is interesting.

Bob Dobson - You may well be right although there may by others - I do not know.
If pub would like a high res version of the photo, they would be more than welcome but I looked at the Crown's website and there doesn't seem to be much of it working.

Spider61 13-05-2016 11:50

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The Church Commercial is now flattened RIP

Bob Dobson 30-06-2017 15:49

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Which brewery owned the Spread Eagle on Blackburn Rd ? Had it ever been a Thwaites' house ?

kenn 01-07-2017 02:30

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Great map with wonderful memories. Thank you.
I had my first ever pint at 15 years old in the Stanley Arms at the corner of Stanley St and Washington....staggering distance from the Dyers and Finishers WMC. We paid 1s and 5p for bitter served by the Grandad of one of my mates, Barry Kirby who lived further down Stanley St. My Grandma live a couple of houses further up Stanley St.
Not sure if you have this on your map.
Ken

Bob Dobson 01-07-2017 20:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kenn (Post 1196692)
Great map with wonderful memories. Thank you.
I had my first ever pint at 15 years old in the Stanley Arms at the corner of Stanley St and Washington....staggering distance from the Dyers and Finishers WMC. We paid 1s and 5p for bitter served by the Grandad of one of my mates, Barry Kirby who lived further down Stanley St. My Grandma live a couple of houses further up Stanley St.
Not sure if you have this on your map.
Ken

Which map are you referring to, Kednn ?

I have come across an 1845 reference to the New Inn, Blackburn Rd
Where was this >

cashman 02-07-2017 19:00

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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1196670)
Which brewery owned the Spread Eagle on Blackburn Rd ? Had it ever been a Thwaites' house ?

Not to my knowledge was a John Smiths house when i was a lad.thats a definate. Plus was still the same when i did the disco yon in my late 30s to early 40s.

Bob Dobson 03-07-2017 08:35

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One day, I'll mention a place in Acc where Cashy hasn't worked.

cashman 03-07-2017 10:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1196788)
One day, I'll mention a place in Acc where Cashy hasn't worked.

Yeh may manage that Bob, but yeh will struggle to mention one i aint supped in.:D By the way Isobelle @ Jack had the Spread early 60s.;)

ferret man 03-07-2017 15:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1196788)
One day, I'll mention a place in Acc where Cashy hasn't worked.

Don't think you will Bob, on most of the sites that I look at, and Cashy has been on quite a lot of those saying he worked at this place or that place, by my reckoning he will be about 150 years old. Unless he only stayed for a short time at each job.

cashman 04-07-2017 09:47

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Originally Posted by ferret man (Post 1196811)
Don't think you will Bob, on most of the sites that I look at, and Cashy has been on quite a lot of those saying he worked at this place or that place, by my reckoning he will be about 150 years old. Unless he only stayed for a short time at each job.

Well i did start at 2 firms on the same day way back.:D

ferret man 04-07-2017 11:22

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1196839)
Well i did start at 2 firms on the same day way back.:D

You could do that in the good old days

Bob Dobson 06-07-2017 19:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1196670)
Which brewery owned the Spread Eagle on Blackburn Rd ? Had it ever been a Thwaites' house ?

I ask the same question about the Spread Eagle at West End, close by Spread Eagle Street - which brewery owned it ?

Bob Dobson 09-03-2018 15:03

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Altham has long been regarded as a suburb of Accrington, even though it was in Burnley Rural District Council area until 1974, It is unlikely that The Walton Arms has been mentioned on here before.

I have long wondered why the pub is so called. Today I found out. I was reading an 1844 gazetteer of the county, and Altham's entry tells that the place has 349 inhabitants and the church of St James is a perpetual curacy with an income of £117, its patron being Mr RTW Walton, Esq. What do we know about him ?

Mark2009 09-03-2018 17:18

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Richard Thomas Wroe Walton is mentioned in the British History website. He died unmarried in 1845.
Townships: Altham | British History Online

Mark

Morecambe Ex Pat 10-03-2018 06:32

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I have added The Walton Arms and also added another venue, dear to many of our hearts, Martholme Grange. If you think of any more, please let me know.

Morecambe Ex Pat 10-03-2018 07:00

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I have also added a picture of The Crown on Whalley Road from back in the 1930s when a member of our family, Henry Docksey, was Landlord, he took over from Charles Cooper.

Bob Dobson 11-03-2018 19:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark2009 (Post 1209888)
Richard Thomas Wroe Walton is mentioned in the British History website. He died unmarried in 1845.
Townships: Altham | British History Online

Mark

Mr Walton was a great benefactor to the parish and its poor, as were his sisters after his death. He is buried in Altham His funeral was attended by hundreds. He lived in Marsden Hall, Nelson and owned land in Altham. His father was a vicar. The family was linked through marriage to the Banastres of Barrowford.

Retlaw 12-03-2018 14:09

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Just spent ages reading thro this old thread, and it brings up a question or two or three, one I asked Dobbo years ago, the Railway pub on Blackburn Rd facing Eagle St was in existance before the railways came to Acc in the middle 1840's, What was its name, don't think Dobbo came up with the answer.
Donkeys years ago when I was indexing parish registrs and the local census returns, I started to create a list of all the names of Yards, Courts, Terraces. Ginnals, Back streets, Pubs, Clubs and ale houses, by that I mean any premisis that sold Camel Pee and needed a licence, I think Doobo borrowed it once fur summat, not sure where it is now appen int library. Final question mainly for Cashy how many Atlantic Oceans have you drank an peed during your life. I can just imagine when they put you in your final resting place, you'l have a pint glass in each hand, and your coffin lined with bottles of your favourite tipple. Just a pity coffin lid won't be big enough to have the names of all your drinking holes on it. Long may ye drink yu owd swigger.
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cashman 12-03-2018 19:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 1210123)
Just spent ages reading thro this old thread, and it brings up a question or two or three, one I asked Dobbo years ago, the Railway pub on Blackburn Rd facing Eagle St was in existance before the railways came to Acc in the middle 1840's, What was its name, don't think Dobbo came up with the answer.
Donkeys years ago when I was indexing parish registrs and the local census returns, I started to create a list of all the names of Yards, Courts, Terraces. Ginnals, Back streets, Pubs, Clubs and ale houses, by that I mean any premisis that sold Camel Pee and needed a licence, I think Doobo borrowed it once fur summat, not sure where it is now appen int library. Final question mainly for Cashy how many Atlantic Oceans have you drank an peed during your life. I can just imagine when they put you in your final resting place, you'l have a pint glass in each hand, and your coffin lined with bottles of your favourite tipple. Just a pity coffin lid won't be big enough to have the names of all your drinking holes on it. Long may ye drink yu owd swigger.
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Hey mate i aint had a drink fer a few years now,reckon i'm being paid back or summat.:D I got a form of neuralgia thats alcohol triggered, so thats how i come to that conclusion.:D

Retlaw 12-03-2018 20:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1210136)
Hey mate i aint had a drink fer a few years now,reckon i'm being paid back or summat.:D I got a form of neuralgia thats alcohol triggered, so thats how i come to that conclusion.:D

Flamin Eck Cashy thurs no justice is thur, just look at allt brewery's thas kept running trying tu keep up wi thee. I've never drunk beer in me life, an look at me ave tu tek pills fo a dicky ticker, diabetis, blood pressur, watter works, thyroid, an ave tu keep gedding me leg dressed fur sores thad werned heal.
Near mind am tekin oer fro yon Satan wen mi times up, so tha con eve a top job wen tha comes, tha con be me trident bearer,
an tha prod them as we dom't think are sufferin enough. I've already geet a lot o names on me list, appen tha con add some more.


Bob Dobson 13-03-2018 20:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 1210123)
Just spent ages reading thro this old thread, and it brings up a question or two or three, one I asked Dobbo years ago, the Railway pub on Blackburn Rd facing Eagle St was in existance before the railways came to Acc in the middle 1840's, What was its name, don't think Dobbo came up with the answer.
Donkeys years ago when I was indexing parish registrs and the local census returns, I started to create a list of all the names of Yards, Courts, Terraces. Ginnals, Back streets, Pubs, Clubs and ale houses, by that I mean any premisis that sold Camel Pee and needed a licence, I think Doobo borrowed it once fur summat, not sure where it is now appen int library. Final question mainly for Cashy how many Atlantic Oceans have you drank an peed during your life. I can just imagine when they put you in your final resting place, you'l have a pint glass in each hand, and your coffin lined with bottles of your favourite tipple. Just a pity coffin lid won't be big enough to have the names of all your drinking holes on it. Long may ye drink yu owd swigger.
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Retlaw believes that the Railway pub was originally called the Spread Eagle, a name later given to a pub a short distance from the Railway. He could well be right, but I have never seen anything to support his theory. I have twice tried to get Thwaites to dig out the original deeds. If he is right, then the name Eagle St can be explained. I don't know any other reason why that street is so called. Possibly it is a veiled reference to the eagle on Lord Derby's arms. He was a mighty powerful man in early Victorian England.

Retlaw 13-03-2018 22:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1210211)
Retlaw believes [knows] that the Railway pub was originally called the Spread Eagle, a name later given to a pub a short distance from the Railway. He could well be right, but I have never seen [because you sken like a basket of welks] anything to support his theory. I have twice tried to get Thwaites to dig out the original deeds. If he is right, then the name Eagle St can be explained. I don't know any other reason why that street is so called. Possibly it is a veiled reference to the eagle on Lord Derby's arms. He was a mighty powerful man in early Victorian England.

Dobbo I hate you, when I research sumat I keep going till its no longer possible to go any further, and I did find proof, as for Thwaites and deeds, some of those old so called deeds back in the early 1800's were not like the deeds we know today, many were lost or destroyed and new ones made, many of which don't have original names on.
Several properties round where I live no longer have their original deeds, and the have no idea who the original owner or builder was or when they were built.


Bob Dobson 14-03-2018 09:00

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I hasten to point out the correct spelling is whelks.

Retlaw 14-03-2018 22:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1210261)
I hasten to point out the correct spelling is whelks.

So wod, tha new wod a ment, an tha still skens, an tharugly tu boot, :hehetable

Bob Dobson 15-03-2018 08:54

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Where can I buy nerve agent ?

cashman 15-03-2018 09:04

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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1210323)
Where can I buy nerve agent ?

Moscows got plenty give Vlad a bell.

Morecambe Ex Pat 02-06-2018 18:20

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I have seen a reference to The Red Lion pub which used to be in the old PC Tubes building in Abbey Street, does this ring any bells?

Bob Dobson 02-06-2018 18:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Morecambe Ex Pat (Post 1213909)
I have seen a reference to The Red Lion pub which used to be in the old PC Tubes building in Abbey Street, does this ring any bells?

You are correct in that the tyre place was formerly the Red Lion. Not sure when it ceased to be a pub.

As previously mentioned what we need is a website dedicated to our pubs and club - there is a superb one on Preston pubs.

Morecambe Ex Pat 02-06-2018 21:01

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Tyre place? The building I was referring to is at the top of Black Abbey Street.

I did create a list of pubs with the help of some members on here but it clearly isn't complete. See the 'Accrington Pubs Link', in my signature.

Bob Dobson 03-06-2018 07:15

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Yes - top of Black Abbey. It was built to cash in on travellers using the new turnpike, mid- 1700s.

landhusweg 04-06-2018 07:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Morecambe Ex Pat (Post 1213917)
Tyre place? The building I was referring to is at the top of Black Abbey Street.

I did create a list of pubs with the help of some members on here but it clearly isn't complete. See the 'Accrington Pubs Link', in my signature.

The tyre place was George Klarksons tyre firm. Remember this from the early fifties to late sixties.
By the way Klarkson was an Accringto Stanley director when the club folded up.

Cheers

ferret man 04-06-2018 13:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Morecambe Ex Pat (Post 1213909)
I have seen a reference to The Red Lion pub which used to be in the old PC Tubes building in Abbey Street, does this ring any bells?

Only at last orders.

Morecambe Ex Pat 05-06-2018 04:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by landhusweg (Post 1213941)
The tyre place was George Klarksons tyre firm. Remember this from the early fifties to late sixties.
By the way Klarkson was an Accringto Stanley director when the club folded up.

Cheers

I remember Clarksons Tyres but when Mark had it under the railway arch on Hyndburn Road and then later up Church Street. Where was the business when George had it?

ferret man 05-06-2018 12:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Morecambe Ex Pat (Post 1213979)
I remember Clarksons Tyres but when Mark had it under the railway arch on Hyndburn Road and then later up Church Street. Where was the business when George had it?

They had a place across from the Hope&Anchor.

cashman 05-06-2018 19:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Morecambe Ex Pat (Post 1213979)
I remember Clarksons Tyres but when Mark had it under the railway arch on Hyndburn Road and then later up Church Street. Where was the business when George had it?

George Clarkson had the tyre business yon as i remember. Landhusweg just got the spell wrong.

landhusweg 06-06-2018 04:20

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1213994)
George Clarkson had the tyre business yon as i remember. Landhusweg just got the spell wrong.

Sorry about the spelling mistake. Yes, it was on the corner of Abbey St. and Black Abbey St. Where supposedly the Red Lion Pub was, although I can't remember the building being a pub.

Cheers

pifco 06-06-2018 15:24

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Are you not thinking of George Clarke Motorcycles They had a place across from Hope & Anchor I don't remember a tyre place there - I think before the motorbike shop it was Taylor Bros. garage.

landhusweg 06-06-2018 18:46

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I Think this is/was the building we are talking about

http://www.accringtonweb.com/gallery...bey-Street.jpg



As said, it is on the corner of Abbey St. and Black Abbey Street.
Cheers

Bob Dobson 06-06-2018 20:42

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Unless the building to the side with railings is part of the old pub . there's no evidence of a cellar, though of course it could have been accessed round the back. That building having the same painted windows may indicate that it was part of the pub.

Margaret Pilkington 06-06-2018 21:05

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No it was definitely George Clarkson who had the tyre business.
This lovely man lived across the Street from my Grandma....back in the early fifties.
He lost his wife, they had no children....then he went on to marry a Nurse who worked at Accrington Victoria(I only ever knew her as Sister Clarkson....it was not the done thing for students to get pally with the senior staff)
George went on to have a good handful of sons(I cannot remember now whether there were 4 or 6 of them...but they were his pride and joy)
I used to see Sr Clarkson about town, she was tall and had a very upright bearing.
I have not seen her for a couple of years now...so not sure if she is no longer with us.
I know she was a good bit younger than George.

Margaret Pilkington 06-06-2018 21:08

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I think I remember it being the Red Lion pub...I am sure my grandad used to go in there for a pint of mild....mind you it is a long long time ago....maybe 1950/51.

Morecambe Ex Pat 07-06-2018 10:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1214024)
Unless the building to the side with railings is part of the old pub . there's no evidence of a cellar, though of course it could have been accessed round the back. That building having the same painted windows may indicate that it was part of the pub.

The building to the side looks like it was added after the 'pub' was built as the main building has matching corner stones at each end.

Morecambe Ex Pat 07-06-2018 10:51

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Members with far more knowledge than me have spoken of this before.

Accyweb thread from 2009

cashman 07-06-2018 13:31

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The building was the Red Lion, then became Clarksons Tyres, then it became Marnita Automatics, owned by a top bloke, think he was called Arnold, sold and did up pin tables and the like, his wife owned Ednas Cafe further down Abbey St, just lower than the Canine Club, used to go in yon daily.

cashman 07-06-2018 13:36

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Arnold used to come in Ednas and sort the machines in the back out if they were playing up.

ferret man 07-06-2018 18:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1214037)
Arnold used to come in Ednas and sort the machines in the back out if they were playing up.

Don't you mean if they were paying out.

cashman 22-06-2018 18:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ferret man (Post 1214038)
Don't you mean if they were paying out.

Nah was a good bloke arnold if even a couple of lights in em had gone he would fettle em.;)

Ryewolf90 22-06-2018 20:25

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I'm pretty sure the building with the arched doorway (and guy standing outside) at one time was a computer/pc shop and I'm also almost sure that Marnita you entered by the door to the left of the railings on the far left:

See this image:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/uv?hl=...C4CAEQoioIeDAO

Morecambe Ex Pat 23-06-2018 06:28

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Before it was Marnita, it was PV tubes, suppliers of valves and electrical components, mainly to the TV trade but also to electronic hobbyists such as me. It was run by a woman called maybe Sylvia or Sheila, not entirely sure. It became Marnita when the bottom fell out of the TV rental market. I think they did sell computers for a while but it wasn't one of the places I dealt with after they ditched the components.

cashman 23-06-2018 08:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Morecambe Ex Pat (Post 1214420)
Before it was Marnita, it was PV tubes, suppliers of valves and electrical components, mainly to the TV trade but also to electronic hobbyists such as me. It was run by a woman called maybe Sylvia or Sheila, not entirely sure. It became Marnita when the bottom fell out of the TV rental market. I think they did sell computers for a while but it wasn't one of the places I dealt with after they ditched the components.

Aye had forgotten about P.V.Tubes:o dont think they lasted that long?

Big Dave 25-06-2018 16:18

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You might know Cashy, didnt George Clarkson used to be a director of Stanley(the original Stanley)

landhusweg 26-06-2018 04:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Dave (Post 1214481)
You might know Cashy, didnt George Clarkson used to be a director of Stanley(the original Stanley)

Correct Big Dave.
I mentioned this in an earlier message on page 16.

Cheers

Bob Dobson 23-04-2020 09:15

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I have written to the Hyndburn Local History Society to try to interest it in making a serious study of the borough's pubs, clubs and breweries using the local newspapers held in Accrington Library. I hope the outcome will be a website along the lines of the excellent 'Preston Pubs' one. I will report back to you on here when I've had a response. I envisage it could be some months before that happens but at least I have set the ball rolling.
In connection with this subject, I would like to trace the family of the late Max Taylor, who would be in his early 80s if still alive. Max grew up around Buxton and Charter Streets. At one time he was landlord of the Antley Inn, worked for Thwaites brewery, was a policeman in Blackburn and Blackpool. On leaving Blackpool Police, he worked for a Lancaster brewery and lived in Morecambe.
Made redundant by the brewery, Max became a freelance rep selling beer to free houses and guest beers to tied houses. He died several years ago leaving a widow and grown-up children.
I want to trace this family in the hope that they may still have the notes that Max kept on our local pubs, clubs and breweries..


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