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The bit between bottom of Dill Hall lights and the roundabout leading on to Junction 7.
I'm bemused by the 'No speed limit' decision ... only very short and lots of bumps there. If you heading to the roundabout have to break as you come to the bend; the other way is an incline and traffic queued up as you go over it. I feel 50 miles per hour would be adequate. Doesn't make sense to me.:confused:

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Nor me, Good evening darling..........;)

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Sarcy b...er .... well, like I said Doug just now starting to look at the little things in our town.
Just observations and hope can do summat in my small way.
Do think it is rather dangerous though.

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Me sarcy, you don't know the half of it.....;)

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Firstly it has a speed limit, its 70. secondly its a perfectly wide, safe dual carriageway that is only queued at rush hour. Why should it be 50? If you are paying attention to driving then there is no reason to restrict people to a lower speed limit. You can drive along there at whatever speed you choose up to 70. I would much rather see variable speed limits brought in so that it could be slower when wet/icy/foggy than on a perfectly clear day. It would also make people think about what the speed is on that day and that would hopefully make them concentrate more on their driving than playing with the radio/aircon/makeup/mobile etc

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Agree with entwisi on this one also as it is long and fairly straight it is easy to drive down but does need care at certain times. The variable speed limit due to conditions would be ideal there are too many idiots who still burn rubber in unfavourable conditions.

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The other idiots are those that go onto the dual carriageway and plant themselves in the right hand lane and then proceed to travel the full distance at 40m.p.h. thus causing queues of frustrated traffic and impatient drivers feeling the need to under-take.
If you want to travel at such a slow speed in a permitted area please, use the correct lane otherwise YOU will one day be the cause of an accident!

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I agree with entwisi and less respectively. All too often I’ve made errors of my own by getting aggravated by people doing 30 or 40 in a 60 mile an hour zone, If the condition dictated common sense then fine, common sense prevails. But when people are eating at the wheel, sing, putting make up on, chatting, day dreaming or just being dam awkward they are putting others at risk…..

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I'm sure there are lots of reasons why this was granted a 70 m.ph. limit, and willing to listen, however, I know the road and know how quickly the bend comes up .. strangers may not, and think they are entering a long expanse of dual carriageway. Anyway, will try and find out the reason, if I can find the correct authority to contact. Anyone know ?

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With regards to Dunk Way I have to drive along that road sometimes several times a shift and for my homeward journey.

When I am at work and the situation needs the use of Sirens and Lights a lot of users do pull to the left to allow passage (and thanks to those who do) but there are some that will keep their speed up and not allow us to overtake or even get into the left hand lane so that we can get onto the motorway slip road so we end up at the roundabout and then comes the "fun" (not fun can be dangerous) of having to cut accross their front to get onto the slip road.

Thankfully not had an accident there but have been to several and most of them have ended up on the embankment after failing to stop or slow down for the junction.

Am working tonight so will post tomorrow if I have had any problems on that strech of road.

Just a bit more info we tend to go that way as it is a smoother ride.

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I too drive the road quite often and I don't find it any problems at all. As I mentioned earlier if you are paying attention there is no 'hidden danger' It is a good clear stretch of road.

Some roads are dangerous. the crossroads at the Brit are crying out for changes. I'm not a big fan of speed cameras but a 30 limit with cameras on both approaches would be a big step forward in safety. I do hope that the family of that young lad get something sorted even if it is too late for them.

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2 points on this thread:
1. this road was actually designed as a national speed limit rd but when they put up the lamp posts they spaced them wrong so technically it became a 30mph zone, there was a lot of arguments about this and the finally agreed to go ahead and let it be a national speed limit.
2. A lot of people complain about bends just before roundabouts, not just here but all over the country, reason there are bends there is to stop people from exiting the roundabout and ending up going the wrong way down a dual carrageway, therefore they would be a lot more dangerous if the bends were not there, if people read the road signs and road early enough and look a good distance ahead instead of just over the bonnet there shouldn't be a problem.

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Spaced 'em wrong !!!! So don't move the lamposts, lets think about the speed limit ??... am crying with laughter so much think might electrocute myself on me keyboard.

Understand perfectly re. bends coming up to roundabouts, just that this stretch of road seems to have more than its fair share of accidents (have no stastitics to hand though you understand). Only wondered if it were the 'national speed limit' that caused it. Go along twice a day and no problems myself, but I am aware that could be a little short for picking up speed, and then having to break quickly. Always accidents with lack of concentrating, not observant of signs,etc., all over the country. I care about the people who travel on my patch every day and if it is this, then will try and do summat about it.

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Yes, the bend does quickly come up so as I, and others do on roads in unfamilier areas to stay alive, we proceed with caution! If you are foolish enough to go full belt on a road you don't know then you are being more than a little bit silly, but if you know the road, then you will also know the safe speed to travel on it for the given weather conditions and time of day.
(However you won't just take it for granted if you wish to keep yourself and others alive).

Try these links for learning, Dual Carriageways
&

http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/d.htm

By the way where it says for turning right it doesn't mean that because at the end of the dual carriageway you intend to turn right that you should get into that lane at the beginning of it (the dual carriageway), as a lot of people seem to do!
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U can laugh as much as you like but the distance between lamps does reflect the speed limit, I know i worked on street/motorway lighting for long enough.
Lamps spaced at 200 yards or less apart is a 30mph zone (technically)
There are some places where they make unlit roads 30mph zones, do you know you can fight this in court if you got caught speeding and have a chance of it being thrown out of court? have a look on the abd site, seem to remember reading about it there not long back

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No wasn't laughing at the theory of light spacing at all KSH .. you obviously knowledgeable re. this, just the fact that they got it wrong in the first place.
Sorry. Did look today didn't appear to be more than 200 yards but disceptive I suppose at 70 miles per hour (joking honest) x

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Its not the only one they got wrong or the installers, theres a few tales could be told but i'd better keep quiet, never know who's reading these posts :-)

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OOOO you can't leave us hanging like that KSH. Spill the beans!

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None of you lot ever seen the 30 sign as you enter the roundabout from the dual carriageway ? ...yes it's there

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Erm' Fletch what has that got to do with the price of Fish?

The above is the section of road that katex was discussing, just to make sure you have seen it I will put it on again a little bigger for you.

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well said less i am constantly finding myself behind idiots doing 15 to 20mph in 30 zones who cause long tail backs

what is even worse about these idiots is that when an oportunity arises to overtake safely the morons speed up when you are along side them

i think there should be a law that can fine people for causing obstructions on the road as well as speeding on teh roads

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There is a law that can fine them for driving like that, and if Pc Plod was about they`ed get fined and no doubt points. But you know the score whenever you need one, you can never find one.

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A speed limit of 30mph means the most you can do is 30 obviously. Just because someone feels it is safer to drive at 20mph in a built up area dosn't make them idiots. Just give yourself a little extra time for your journey mate. Believe me it is a very scary experiance hitting a pedestrian that appears from nowhere or a little child that steps out into the road. I know I have done both. :(
I personally believe that all of our terraced streets and housing estate's should be 20mph. On the Isle of Man they call them Home Zones and enforce the 20mph limit very tightly.

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Don't know where dill hall is, is that to the north of junction seven, where tnt is?, and your on about the short stretch from there to the motorway?

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ime pretty sure those adverts about speeding say that hitting somone at 30mph is ok but at 40mph they are most likely to die...?

20 mph is ok if the streets are busy or there are a lot of parked cars but when there is a clear view and clear road ahead people driving at 15mph to 20mph are simply holding everyone up

it makes me wonder if they either have too much time on their hands or are driving slow because they are trying to hide the fact they are drunk

wanna travel at 15mph get a bloody bike

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lol! Don't you just love new drivers ...... ;) :D

If someone driving in a 30mph zone feels more comfortable driving at 20mph then so be it IMHO. On a stretch of road were you would be behind them for hours yes it would p*ss you off, but it's not likely to happen, your behind for a few minutes thats all! :rolleyes:

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it makes me wonder if they either have too much time on their hands or are driving slow because they are trying to hide the fact they are drunk

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You two arguing again ? :xena_bana Gonna' have to get a guidance counsellor soon ! Will have to mediate.

Point is, how low a speed limit do you go before absolutely safe for pedestrians stepping out in the road ? Almost standstill, I guess. All about anticipation at the end of the day.

Chav is correct here, they usually are unsure drivers or drunk or very elderly (notice I use 'very' to absolve myself). Neil is also vaguely correct in that you don't have to drive at 30 m.p.h., but come on, Neil, betta' ya' you have gritted your teeth occasionally behind someone driving so slowly. it's dangerous, aint it ? Because you don't know what they are going to do next.

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But we do know what they are going to do, without any indication they brake, pull over to the right hand side of the road in front of a bus. Stop on double yellow lines jump out to get their pension from the local Post Office then stand staring at the chaos they have caused, wondering why people can't drive more carefully!:D
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New drivers are just as bad ..... On and off the accelerator and brakes like they're tap dancing on the pedals ;) :D

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Thats right tinks,

'Brakes are for wimps!'

:)

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does nyone know there highway code, a dual carridgeway that has no public footpath then the speed limit is 70mph, a dual carridgeway with a pulic footpath ie the bit between dill hall lane and junction 7 roundabout is 60mph, i think those who are doing 70 should be doing 60, or did you not notice it had a footpath!!!! Have a look at the highway code online you will find it in there!!!!

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one don't drive on the footpatI for one don't drive on the footpath and if I'm doing 70 mph I consider it far more important to watch what I might run into, rather than a bit of tail I might be able to offer a lift to!!!!!

(Tongue in cheek warning), watch how quickly it's ignored.

:D;)

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I always think that too.

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Well thats a new one on me, last time i looked single carriage-way was 60mph and dual was 70mph. What a footpath as to do with the speed i dont know, if you get hit at 60 or 70 odds are your brown bread lucky or a cabbage

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The whole idea of national speed limit signs is stupid. They should all be changed to 60 or 70 signs as required and stop the confusion once and for all. As the old signs need replacing numbered signs should be fitted. And lets stop fitting new national limit signs.

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Thats too easy for them. besides it would cost em more in their eys for 2 diferent sets than 1.

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i dont know why it is but thats what the highway code does say, check it out. I was confused myself when i saw the thread so i looked it up and thats what it says "if a dual carridgeway has a footpath on either or both sides then the carridgeway becomes a national speed limit of 60mph" I was puzzled when i know a traffic officer i will ask him what he thinks?

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So, as there is a footpath heading out of Accy, it translates at 60 mph, ok better than 70 then, however, does it also mean on both sides of the carriageway you are travelling ???? which if so, can do 70 mph driving to Accy, which has no footpath. :confused: :confused:

Neil, thought this for a while, put up the sign the limit should be ... not the white with black line for national speed limit.... which would refer you back to the national speed limit to within the boundaries of the rules for dual carriageways, as as it has been pointed out to us. Hek !! need some brain unscrambling here.

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Well I always assumed that a carraige way was a dual carriage way even if it had no central reservation, if it was more than one lane. A bit off thread slightly but thhat means the section between the M56 and M6 south isn't dual carriageway. It's got a limit on it now with proper signs, but back when it was national, That means I and nearly everyone else was speeding. I cant find any reference to footpaths http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.htm#103

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Your talking about the A556 Mad. Its set to 50 now and has been for some time. Before that the stretch from bowden to J19 was a defined 60, it only went to national as you go past Holly tree farm just past J19.

(I work in Knutsford so drive this road nearly every day)

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Well you would if you actually went to work occasionally :p

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yeh yeh, back on tuesday....

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It was snowy down there as I passed yesterday evening

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Why do we still have road/speed signs in miles, when we are supposed to be metric?

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Why do we still drive on the left hand side of the road?

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I didn't realise that left or right comes into metricfication.:p

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Who said it did?
Your medication needs changing again - you are becoming imune to that vodka.

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Left or right makes no difference, though it would be nice if most of the world followed us, but when we had metricfication forced on us over thirty years ago, how come the speed limit escaped?

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Lets not go down this road and give the government ideas. They had a three day trial of driving on the right in Ireland a few years ago, they thought they would introduce it gradually 1st day h.g.v. vehicles on the right, 2nd day buses and taxis and on the 3rd day what was left!
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It is weird though, if you think about it.

It's the only offical Imperial measurment we have left.

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You mean i can no longer ask for a Firkin?

And what about Pork scratchings?

12 multi packs of pork scratchings = 1 hogshead!

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There was an agreement that we should look to change our road signs to metric starting in 1971. We just haven't got round to it yet :)

There are numerous areas where we aren't metric

Distance - miles
fluid - pints(well, the only fluid that counts!)
area - acres
height-ft and inches
food - ounces, lbs etc(yes I know about the metric matrys etc but you just listen to people ordering fruit and veg everyday, its a quarter of this, 2 lbs of that etc)
Petrol- gallons

As for driving on the left, we do it, so do Japan, Malta tag along as well. why do others do differently? perhaps this explains
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Yes but legally everything you listed is metric, [except the pint.] Even if we still think of spuds in pounds and petrol in gallons, we buy them on kilos and litres.

Every time you need to renew your passport you have to try and work out five foot eleven in metres/cm's.:eek:

I'm not saying we should but are there any plans to change the speed limits to kilometers?

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Is this some sort of mental arithmatic test to see if you are sound enough to have a passport?
I just cannot see any reason otherwise why I would want to convert, 5'11" into m&cm!

:confused:

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Blame Napoleon for the mess we are in (left handed ego maniac). Also the kilo kept as the standard in France no longer weighs a kilo its cleaned that often so in theory we are being short changed

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5' 11" = 71 inches x 2.54 = height in cms then divide by 100 end result 1.8034 metres. Though 5' 11" does sound better.

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They'll never kill our pint.
But on the original thread (I think this should be put forward for a wander award),As an outsider, not used to this route. I went this way to the meet and got there safely and on wednesday actually taking note of the route. I came of the motorway from blackburn, turned right around the roundabout in a 30 zone, entered the dual carraigeway , which is national speed limit, which in my van on a dual carriageway is 70, it's a nice clear dal carriageway, I moved out and accelerated past the cars on the inside lane up to 70. As I approcahed the top of the hill, traffic light signs are clearly vissable causing me to slow down, expecting to stop, I go over the brow, and slow to a stop at the the lights. Ahead is a 30 zone. The end. On the way back I accelarate from the lights out of the 30 zone on to the dual carriage way, and slow at the roundabout which is signed and give way, before entering the 30 zone on the island. I accelarate on the slip to join the motorway, again no problem. It's strange for a 70 to be sandwiched between two 30 zones but its perfectly safe because you've got signed lights at one end and a roundabout at the other.

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Yep you better believe it I am actually gonna say "Well said madhatter"!!!!! I don't know for certain but I actually think the accident stats for that stretch are very small in comparable to other areas. I find it a really good stretch, you actually feel like you're getting somewhere :)

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Not at peak times though Red, queues can form just over the bump and come on you sudden, and the black and white arrow sign on the roundabout is always acquiring new dents.

I have seen lots of accidents on the stretch, but would certainly be curious to see the stats. Could well be lower than other areas, who knows.?

Everybody says what you should be doing ... of course, but not everybody is Mr/Miss Perfect Driver are they? and to me this only makes it more dangerous for those that are less than perfect.

Anyway, in my opinion wouldn't do any harm to see it reduced and that's me last word. :rolleyes:

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Yeah, Right, of course it is!!!!!!!!:D

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yes but you see the signs for the traffic lights before you get to the brow, and slow down accordingly. The other way, I'd suggest that those cars have expected it to be clear and it hasn't or they've skidded and gone straight on. That could happen on any road and isn't the design or speed limit thats at fault.
The same things about others making mistakes could be said of any other dual carriageway. I would say though that with it beig sandwiched between two 30's, it is an unusual limit and would perhaps be better to set it at 60. Not that you get much chance to go above 60. suprised there's not a speed camera on the way in as you approach the lights to be honest. And no, thats not me saying there should be one, speed cameras are needed rarely in my opinion.

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I can still remember my driving instructor saying "Always remember, it's a LIMIT not a TARGET". There are lots of side streets in London that have a 20 mph limit because they are narrow, with parking on both sides. I am happy driving at whatever speed the road and conditions allow, but it is true that accidents at high speed tend to be far worse and more often fatal. Having driven home once from Cirencester along the M4 in heavy fog, I am appalled at the fact that seemingly sane people can drive into a wall of fog at 70 mph and more.

And, to be fair, if you don't know the road, then caution is indicated.

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Profuse apologies for dragging this one up again, but have you now noticed that travelling towards the roundabout, 3 extremely large black and white chevron signs have been erected on the bend as you exit to roundabout, plus new flourescent one on the roundabout. Nah,nah,nenah,nah,nah. :p

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Profuse apologies for dragging this one up again, but have you now noticed that travelling towards the roundabout, 3 extremely large black and white chevron signs have been erected on the bend as you exit to roundabout, plus new flourescent one on the roundabout. Nah,nah,nenah,nah,nah. :p

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