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The local area council is proposing a resident's parking scheme for the area surrounding Victoria hospital. Does any other area of town have one of these and if so, how's it work ?

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These are newish to Hyndburn so yours might be the first. I suspect they will try and make you pay for the privilege of parked your own car on your own street. i would attend all the meetings and fight against any payment if I was you. Don't forget you will not be guaranteed a parking space so why should you have to pay for it. I have heard of other schemes in other areas where they have sold more parking badges than there were spaces, that is something else to ask about.

Please keep us informed on this I am interested about it.

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At the moment it is only at the proposal stage and residents are being consulted. However there is not much detail on how it would work. Yes there will be a charge (nominally £25), but it is not clear if that is per vehicle or per address. If it is per address, then householders could have as many cars as they liked which would not solve the parking problem on what are mostly terraced streets. Also, how does it work if a resident has to park a works van overnight and how does it affect businesses within the designated area ? In essence , residents are being asked if they want to support a parking scheme when the implications have not been made clear.

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That is why you need to attend all the meeting you can about it. Why not contact you local Councillor and ask what it is all about?

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You're right, of course, but as far as local councillors are concerned, being the cynic that I am, I wonder if I would get the points fully answered. Still it might be worth a try.

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I think you would. They are probably the ones who have started it all off. Who are your local Councillors?

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Someone called Pritchard

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You have the Father Daughter duo then, Claire and Malcolm I think he is called. Give one of them a ring and see what it is all about. Phone numbers at

Councillors - Malcolm Pritchard

Councillors - Clare Pritchard

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Neil, thanks for the links. Will post when (and if) I get further info

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My Daughter lives in that area and she was frothing last week when she rang me, she seems to think its £25 per car, there are 4 cars at her home and they are all used for work purposes. Clare Pritchard is a member on here

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Hiya

Yes, I know about the scheme but it's only a proposal at the moment. I've always answered any query honestly and will continue to do so on this matter. It is £25 per permit, per address and this includes a visitors pass for when people visit you. Its was actually suggested to us by residents of the area as there are MASSIVE parking problems in the area both from the hospital and due to the change of use to the old ESMI Unit (The Mount). If you need any more info either ring me or drop me a PM or e-mail, my email address is [email protected]

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Why do they have to pay for permits to park in their own street Clare? I would have thought many more people would come out in agreement if each house received at least one free permit.

I understand that without a payment for extra permits some people would take the mick and ask for a dozen each.

Will a permit guarantee a space? I don't mean a numbered space on the street. I have heard of places (Colne) where more permits were sold/issued than there was spaces to park cars.

I am not sure if I think it is a good idea for places like the Hospital and around the Theatre in Ossy where they also have big parking problems. I don't think it is a complete solution. I think it just tends to move the parking problems to the next street along.

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They have permit parking where I lived for a short while in Blackpool

Which you have to pay for every year, not sure how much it is now tho

They put parking bay lines on all the streets, but you are still not guaranteed to park outside your house or even on your street for that matter.... so why should everyone have to pay £25-00 a year for a permit? To cover the cost of the white lines huh?

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thats Colne, Pendle borough council seem to think no one needs to park in colne, kwik save (as was) car park is shut and the one across from the shepherds is now a nursery :rolleyes:

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And why not ? All motorists have paid for the roads and pavements through our taxes, why should residents get a bit of it free ? You are restricting other motorists from having the right to park on that road after all, so buy it !

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Because I don't think ya need white lines on a road for it to be permit parking:D lol

I think one of the key points in them needing to make it permit parking around that area is football parking... there isn't enough of it... so match days, residents who work or have gone out cannot park anywhere near their house

I lived in Laneside just before we bought this house but luckily we had a drive... some of our neighbours weren't so lucky

Apart from terraced houses that have people who own 2 or 3 cars, and match days I'm not too sure the need for parking permits

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Yes you do I'm afraid, and show the bays.

It's true though Accylass, as Emamum has stated, only moves the parking to another street .. and then they will want resident parking, and so on. :D

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And before you know it.... it'll be up Clayton! Arghhhh! lol

Thank god for the drive:rolleyes:

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I live in the hospital area and have a garage accessed from the back alley. Not too long ago I missed a vital Blackburn Hospital appointment because I couldn't get my car out of the back due to a skip at one end and some clown parking a van across the other. A white line has recently been painted across access to the back street from Heywood Road, but all too often it is ignored - even though it is an offence to cause an uneccessary obstruction to the highway. The biggest problem on my particular street is caused by two and three car households monopolising parking spaces.

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That was me :D

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Did you phone the Police and get it moved? I have had the same problem with cars parking accross my drive. The Police had to sort it out a few years ago but is has started again recently so may have to do the same.

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IS that why motorists park on the pavement down blackburn road :mad:

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The police weren't interested, said they were too busy to attend - hence my missed hospital appointment. This happened before the white line was painted and was a regular occurence until then.

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was real bad this afternoon about one ish coming from town towards grammer school. i honestly thought accident or roadworks, but no twas what you are saying mick.:mad:

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But nothing is ever done about it:(

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It wants one of you to report the issue to the Police and ask for a log number. Then post the log number on here and when anyone sees the problem phone the Police again quoting that log number.

If the same incident is repeatedly reported on the same log number I think it makes their statistics look worse than several logs on the same subject. I know they sometimes try and fob me off with another log number on park issues. I always insist it is the same issue that has not been resolved and that I want them to use the original log number

I would do it but I don't get that way very often during the day.

Maybe the start of an AccyWeb crusade.

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[quote=AccyLass28;650037]Because I don't think ya need white lines on a road for it to be permit parking:D lol

I think one of the key points in them needing to make it permit parking around that area is football parking... there isn't enough of it... so match days, residents who work or have gone out cannot park anywhere near their house



It's not quite the same as matchday parking, Accylass, in that the parking congestion is everyday and not just for a couple of hours every fortnight plus the odd midweek game. The main causes appear to be overspill from the hospital car parking facilities which appear to be inadequate, cars used by the staff at the children's nursery on Haywood Rd (plus drop off/pick up traffic at start and end of day). Finally , the residents themselves, some of whom have 2,3,4 and even more cars/vehicles to one address. Also there are a growing number of company/private owned vans that are parked overnight/weekend and these seem to be getting larger and longer! (this isn't unique to this area, I know, but on terraced streets they just don't fit)

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Yeah I bet it's really annoying, I suppose the permit parking may tempt residents to having less cars, or would they just pay more for extra permits? So where as it would be back to square one
As for dropping off an picking up, I dunno if that would change even if permit parking came in would it? As they are only there a short time, there wouldn't be a parking attendant walking round constantly

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No , I wouldn't expect the drop off/ pick up to change either but as things stand, its just another complication to the overall problem.

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This scheme now appears to have hit the buffers. Not enough residents supported the proposals

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That happened where I used to live, there was a school and nursery near by and the residents have problems with parking at times. It all went fine until they realised the cost of having residents parking and what they would have to pay, thats when the plans seemed to stop due to lack of support

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Hiya

Yeah the scheme does seem to have hit the buffers AT THE MOMENT but I really don't want to let this drop. The situation around The Mount and Accrington Victoria is BAD and seems to be getting worse, something needs doing desperatly but its hard to think of a solution because I really don't think yellow lines are the answer at all. We had massive support for this scheme in pockets of the area (the ones particualy affected) and hardly any in the streets that aren't currently so bad.

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I think the thing is that lots of houses have more than one car these days, my Daughter lives in Aitkin Street and they have three cars, but I think that happens in a lot of households throughout the borough

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See, I can sort of see that John but there is no other workable solution to this problem. I really don't want to go down the "yellow lines" route because untimatly the residents suffer. The residents are really not the problem here, its inconsiderate staff from both the Mount and Accrington Victoria Hospital, you really do get tired of saying "I told you so" but the planning permission to alter the Mount car park and change of use for the building came to the planning committee just after I was elected and as a member of the planning committee I strongly objected due to the lack of parking but they got planning permission and the rest, as they say, is history. Ultimatly its the residents who suffer

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As you say Clare, there is no easy answer, some for for it and some are against, I know my daughter wasn't to happy when I talked to her about it. It was rather like where my Father used to live near the Civic Theatre in Ossy, and especially when the NatWest bank was on the corner at the top of his street, but the Civic Theatre was only a problem at nights when there was something going on. I think is about striking a even balance some how, but that is like knitting fog sometimes

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I agree that yellow lines would probably make the problem worse than it is now. Perhaps the only way to find out how the scheme would work is to reduce it and trial it in those areas where there is 'massive support'. The downside to this, of course, is that reducing the size of the scheme may not cover the admin and policing. Also the problem would then be shifted to the next street like the domino effect. But do they then decide to join the scheme ?

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It is something that we have thought of but to make the scheme workable it has to have a certain number of properties in it. We are looking at possibly extending the scheme to the other side of Whalley Road (Devonshire, Westwood etc) as they too are having horrendous problems with inconsiderate employees of the Mount.

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What exactly do you mean by inconsiderate parking Clare ?

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Did they not want to pay for it?

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Hard to say. Clare Pritchard talks of massive support in areas particularly affected, so obviously those people are prepared to pay. Maybe there are those that are not yet affected and so don't see a problem.

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I'm not saying residents only parking is a bad thing, trust me I know, I live accross from the Town Hall in Ossy! But if it does go ahead then where would people attending the hospital park? As the car park for the hospital has few spaces and they are always taken up by staff, due to problems during my pregnancy I had to attend the hospital on a regular basis and had no other option but to park on the streets around the hospital.

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Hopefully Clare will explain to us what happened as she is a member on here.

I would have thought the sensible option would have been to implement it on the streets with massive support. I will refrain from commenting though until Clare has filled us in on the details.

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Where abouts from the Town Hall (sorry Gayle civic Theatre:D) do you live Lolly?

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Milton Street

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I grew up in Monarch Street, and My Father lived there until he died 6 years ago

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I am very much against Resident's Parking, due to lots of reasons already stated on here .. but mainly I don't think anyone has the right to 'rent' space outside their house, barring all others .. particularly in our area, where streets were only originally developed for carts and horses, and there is just not the space for anyone else visiting areas to park where they have to go.

Another problem is, that due to the fact that residents are not around in their spaces during the day, (and no-one can make use of them), it is a known fact that they become dead areas, and crime statistics increase e.g. burglaries, due the the non-movement of everyday visitors.

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Anyone who regularly travels around the Queens Road/Queens Road West/Whalley Road traffic lights will know exactly what I mean by inconsiderate parking, its an accident waiting to happen (along with Lancaster Avenue and Garden Street). Any fool can work out that if you triple the number of staff using a building as has happened at the Mount, then these people need to park somewhere but it seems that these people will park ANYWHERE e.g pavements, street corners, double parked. The Residents Only parking scheme has to cover a certain size of geographical area and the areas in which there is strong support is not currently big enough. Kate, I agree that ROP is not an ideal solution but neither are yellow lines in my opinion as ultimately they stop ANYONE parking 24/7.

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This is an entirely different issue though Clare .. if 'these' people are parking indiscriminately, then a ticket should be issued. (sure you know not illegal to park on pavements, unless completely blocking it). It is about residents complaining that their space outside their house is being taken up by 'other' motorists .. different matter.

No, yellow lines are not going to help anyone .. nobody wins then, and space is limited now with the growth of the The Mount, and everyone having cars linked with not enough car parking space provided for staff and visitors.

Of course, the overall solution is encouraging people to get on the public transport, but as seen in schemes recently in our county and Manchester, nobody wishes to sacrifice their car ride to work for the sake of the public good.

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Not all of us can get to work on public transport.

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Not disagreeing Neil ... but a lot of us could.

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why could adequate car spaces not be taken into account,when deciding to use the "Mount" fer the purpose it now serves? if the grounds area was not adequate why then was a 2/3 floor car park not considered?:confused:

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Well, someone tried Cashy,

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not to get adequate parking they didn't, if claires post is owt to go off.:)

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I think its the same all over places like Hyndburn where you have narrow streets built over 100 years ago when the car was only a pipe dream, but I agree with Clare there is no justification for irresponsible parking and why was the parking needs not taken into consideration. However its been well documented that motorist tend to be lazy, in as much that where my father lived in Ossy there was a car park made behind his home, where the old council yard used to be, but when the bank was open at the top of Monarch Street, bank staff would park in the street instead of walking an extra couple of yards to the car park which was and still is well signed posted