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:engsmil: Pakistan`s cricket team refused to come out, after going off for bad light. Umpire suggested the ball was being unfairly treated, or seam picked to favour the spin bowler . All this when Pakistan looked certain of thier first win in the series, one can only conclude that by conceeding the match the next request will be for the umpires head. If things go to form they`l probably get an apology as well. When will politics be taken out of sport?:mad:

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whatever happened or didn,t to the ball, the umpires cocked things up worse by not returning afterwards, leaving 12,000 people with tickets for tomorrow not knowing wether to travel to the match or not.

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The umpires did come out the Pakistan team refused the offer therefore game conceded, if they let them play tomorrow it certainly will be political its time the rules applied to all sides regardles of how sensitive, the political situation.

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you may well be correct ianto.w but the bbc news said differant.;)

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when did the BBC last get it right???.

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I feel sorry for the people who have paid good money ,Some of them will also have taken days off work..
So England have now won all the series ,but it doesnt feel good,if one is by default...
Dickey bird was on the tele this morning he was well upset.

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Did one of the players have a nail file sewn into his trousers to tamper with it? The first thing that came to mind for me was how often was it hit into the pavillion and seated area's where by chance there is concrete? If it skids on the concrete it will rough it up a bit and it only needs one good skid to do the damage. Also how much damage on the shiney side as for it to be any use to a spiner to turn the ball one side is shiney one is rough.

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Irrespective of whether the damage to the ball was deliberate or accidental, the decision of the Pakistan team not to return to the field of play must rank as the most disgraceful occurance in the history of cricket. I do trust that at the next full meeting of the ICC, Pakistan are duly punished for this shameful conduct. I would suggest the national team be barred from any international tournament for a minimum of 5 years and the individual players be banned for life.

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Yes take it to the ICC but only if they can get to the bottom of it. Even athletes suspected of drug taking get a chance which is more than it seems the Pakistan Cricket Team got. These guys are pro's and to be accused of cheating must of hurt them so they delayed their return to the pitch and the umpires did the same so are they to be punished? It was a farce and should be learnt from but banning a team for 5 years is not the answer.

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I've had a rethink. You're right. Ban the buggars for 10 years.

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I think the umpires got a bit suspisous when the ball suddenly started reverse spinning ,They decided to look at the ball for picked seams etc,,which they were perfectly entitled to do.

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just because they had lost the test going into this match they had to give up , didnt they. being a sportsman they should carry on the match for supporters and for the england team who had prepared for the match!

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Hair is a racist bigot from way back who should never have been allowed to stand in test matches in which teams of coloured origins are taking part .If anyone has brought the game into disrepute it is he.

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If Hair is a racist bigot matters not the game of cricket stands for all the principles of fair play, no player has the right to question the umpire. Right or
wrong the job is thankless, if my memory serves is correct some of the Indian
sub continent umpires leave a bad taste in the mouth but one has to accept
their decisions. The battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton
lest we foget "PRINCIPALS"

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I have to agree with Ossyclogger..For me Inzamam was right to protest and not coming out..Inzamam wasn't even consulted by the umpires about the situation, the ball was just taken off them..There was no video evidence about ball tampering and the Pakistan team have also said they have been shown no evidence for why the ball was taken off them..This must mean that it was taken becasue off Hair's assumptions which is wrong becaue anything could have happened to the ball, e.g hitting hoardings..To take it off the Pakistanis and then in turn brnad them cheats is disgraceful and Hair shouldn't umpire Asian teams again as its not the first time he has had confrontations with Pakistan, Sri lanka or India..

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I suspect the simple truth is that Pakistan lost a series they expected to win and out of frustration the team acted as they did. Umpires have far more difficult decisions to make in most games - such as over LBW appeals - and teams accept whatever decision the umpire will make. If Pakistan do wish to kick up a fuss over their continued participation in the one day series, than let 'em go home. It will be far better not to play than to sink to their tawdry level.

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An LBW decision and being branded cheats is a totally different thing all together! Especially as there is no evidence for tampering...If the shoe was on the other foot i'm convinced Andrew Strauss and Duncan Fletcher would have acted in the same way..

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To quote a friend on another thread :- You are a complete and utter ******.

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So much for innocent until proven guilty. It seems to me that they are found guilty with no eveidence to indicate they cheated. Its not that long ago that England had a ball tampering incident and that sort of "sailed away" and was forgotten. Inzamam has the possibility of facing charges of bringing the game into disripute but it all started with the umpire so in my opinion the umpire should face the charge not the Pakistan Captain.

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Well, there are others in this world who know far more about cricket than I do - and certainly far more than Ossyclogger, whose main contribution to this debate is to refer to my personal sexual activities. It is interesting to note however, that the ICC - the governing council of cricket - will be meeting on friday. That will act as a court for Inzamam and the two counts will be that of ball tampering and match forfeiture. I suspect that the hearing will follow the tradition of British justice and let him off on ball tampering (some doubt) but guilty as sin on match forfeiture. And so it should be. So you can all go and mas***ate over that.

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Is there proof of him tampering with the ball? If there isnt how can he be held resposible for match forfiture when it was the same umpire that did the accusing that said they forfit the match.

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i think the allegation is wrong-without substance to back it up. read an interview with nasser hussain (ex england captain) he said he would have reacted in the same way, in those circumstances. feel sorry for the fans but if anyone called me a cheat i,d be very tempted to snot em.

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Cashman I always wondered why good old Nasser was replaced obviously lacks moral fibre, the evidence of ball tampering will have to be presented
at the hearing, so dont prejudge the issue. furthermore Hussain would not
have been alowed to concede the match, they would have sacked him first.

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what i dont get is this.

they're accusing pakistan of ball tampering - yet no evidence of how or more importantly who has been produced - if the dirt in the pocket can be caught a few yrs ago then y wasnt this?

the ref made some errors himself in that he wasnt willing to show the damage to the ball to the pakistan team nor was he willing to explain his initial decisions. he later did relent but by then the damage had been done.

what pakistan did wasnt right - they shud've lodged the protest now after the game not during it - but the ref isnt clean in all of this either.

wasim akram and waqar younis in the 90's was accused of cheating but due to the sheer pace of the ball and the then unknown art of reverse swing was always labelled a cheat. and from this the pakistan team did rather wrongfully get the label of cheats in the british press

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I do hope they have proof,most ballers have ways of ball tampering ie; zinc cream, Shane warnes hair gel, sticky toffees, sweat,

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It seems to me that there is a sub-text in a number of postings on here, which reads that firstly, the sky TV cameras could see no evidence of ball tampering and that secondly, the umpires do not have the right to make an immeadiate decision in the game.

When I last looked at my Laws of Cricket book, I could find no reference to the role of TV cameras (unlike, for instance, in International Rugby Union); my interpretation was that should a team be unhappy with the umpire's decision, they could refer this to the referee off the field of play, who could in turn put the case to appeal.

Pakistan were in a dominant postion on Sunday afternoon. I am at a loss to understand why, after Mr Hair decided to penalise them for the measly total of 5 runs, they subsequently decided to deny the paying specator the continuance of the game. On Monday night, would Accrington Stanley have walked off the pitch had Forest been awarded a penalty in the 95th minute of dubious injury time? I think not.

I don't really care if the team was Pakistan; If it was Australia, India or even England my view would still have been the same - what happened was disgraceful to the game of cricket and the team should be sent home immeadiatly.

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I don't think you get the point tealeaf..Pakistan protested becuase they were branded cheats without any evidence! So i don't have a clue why you have used this example..It wasn't the five runs that incensed them it was the accusation with no evidence..

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What sort of logic is this statement? Both umpires looked at the ball and decided that it had been unfairly tampered with. On that decision they awarded 5 runs to England and a change of ball; the old one being kept. The Pakistan team had every right to appeal to the match referee afterwards and the suspect ball would have been available as evidence. Should the match referee subsequently have decided that there was insufficient proof of deliberate gouging, then a statement would no doubt have been issued. In the unlikely event of England succeeding in a runs victory, then Pakistan would at least have been able to claim a moral one; instead, they have sullied the name of cricket and dragged the name of their country further into the mud.

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The evidence will be closley scrutinised BY OTHER UMPIRES who as we all know are visualy impaired. Who are they going to support come hell or high water. Earlier in this thread I called you an uncomplimentary name to which you took exeption. However I have since shown the evidence to some of my friends, and they completely agree with me. Do you now accept these findings ?

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What evidence? Just what are you waffling on about now? Are you referring to the grainy TV or long range photoshots of the ball?

Do your best to explain and I may think about giving an answer. And what evidence do you have that umpires are visually impaired?

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good to see somebody in the know with the procedures of the english cricket authoritys.:worthy:

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I was refering to my evidence about you, which of course under the laws of cricket I do not have to share with you.

I thought that everyone in the whole world knew by now, that it is a prerequisite that all umpires,referees,etc should be at best partially sighted so that correct decisions cannot be given,thereby raising the tension at sporting occasions and causing many sports to be brought into disrepute.

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a caller to 5 live last nite made a good point - he goes that unless the english batsmen made a few hundred runs in quick succession, that pakistan bowled real real bad and somehow luck was on the english side it was a match that pakistan cud not have lost.

so hence - y cheat? u've already lost the series, ur winning a face saving last test, and y only 5 runs? 5 runs means the cheating must've happened in the previous few overs

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Fair point Mani.I have to disagree[not for the first time] with Ossyclogger:,taking a lighthearted and sarcastic view is not always appreciated. Cricket is a serious sport to those of us who follow it and I object to all umpires being branded as useless.Maybe Mr Clogger would like to mention that to my Dad next time they meet as he held the Lancs League Umpire prize for a number of years.The fact of the matter is that we have seen no evidence of ball tampering,we have to rely on the umpires judgement;and their judgement should be final.
I can see that there maybe doubt over the ball tampering issue but the fact that Inzy refused to take the field may leave him open to the disrepute charge.But this has now become a politically sensitive issue and I very much doubt if we will get a clear cut decision.

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Chances are we will never get the full hog over this even after the meeting on Friday.

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meetings been postponed till Ranjan Madugalle who will be the "judge" is available..

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Ranjan. Madugualle. has has personal problems! I call it an absolute coup
for British diplomacy, not only do they get a "homer" to sit in judgment
he is somehow unable to be available at the eleventh hour.
Now Pakistan has no reason to throw the towel in, the ball is squarely in
thier camp. pardon me for grabbing the "sick bag Alice". chin chin.

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Iwonder if they will turn up for Mondays match with England,,,,,,

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You know that you can never beat the "OLD BOYS" network.

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-Are you implying that his punishment has all ready been decided without a hearing. :eek:
That wouldnt do that would they??? :confused::rolleyes:

Too many of these old boys networks insport so its about time it was an independent setup. A career is at stake here as well as team integraty.

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"The Old Boys" invented these wonderfull games, that's why the rules are so
severlely imposed. I think your right about Inzamann's career, he should try umpireing next he tried to be both lastweek.

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This just keeps on getting better and better issenntit

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what do u folks make of the hair's offer of $500,000 retirement handshake?

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:engsmil: It's a cheap way of letting Pakistan off the hook, an umpire of Hair's
calibre can expect to be well paid. Hair was trying to be diplomatic by keeping things quiet. Wonder who dug the dirt out of his emails? :engsmil:

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the icc let them out themselves - it wasnt leaked out or anything

the email wasnt marked confidential etc and they felt it was in the public interest and the interest of this investigation that they release the email

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:engsmil: Yea yea yea so you don't mind if I read your email?
I doubt it, do you believe in fairies? you should do! the bu---rs are
everywhere. :engsmil:

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If they had not revealed the email and it was later "found" after Hair had retired/resigned there would have been uproar and shoots of "coverup" and a crash in the credibility lead by the press.

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:engsmil: Good point Spuggie, but we all have a right to privacy if we
seek to condone making public private matters,we only go down to the gutter level, has have the Pakistan cricket connections by "rubbishing" the
name of the great game of cricket.:engsmil:

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*L*

u can read all the viagra emails i'm gettin as many times as u want

the point is there's a difference between a persoanl email and one thats for the public interest.

yeah hair didnt expect them to release it but as the above poster said if that email was leaked out 2 weeks after the appeal then the fall out from that wud b far worse.

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:engsmil: What viagra has to in common with
cricket is quite beond me, but whatever turns you on.
I personally have no need or use of artificial stimulants for my imagination,
I suppose it's tough when you cant"get the real thing".:confused:

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*LMAO* getting a lil personal there arent we boyo?

ur the one who wants to read my emails - never had the viagra spam? shame... sounds like u do need it to perk u up a lil

;)

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BACK TO THE CRICKET,,ENGLAND ARE ABSOLUTE RUBBISH AT THE MOMENT,,AND IT CANT BE BLAMED ON THE WEATHER............... AND THAT DUCKWORTH LEWIS METHOD OF SCOREING IS ALSO PANTS,,,IMHO:engsmil:

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GC i watched the highlights and you are being kind. Appauling would be a better discription. They were ripped apart by a team that knows how to play cricket and as the Ashes series down under is close they are going tho get a pasting and lose em. Pakistan are rated as number 2 in the world and yesterday showed why and are the only ones that could give the Aussies a run for their money.

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I agree Spuggie,:mad: :( :mad: :(

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:engsmil: Got to agree with you on this one luv, but even the best of us has a bad day now and then.
I have no axe to grind with most of the Pakistani players, they had to follow the captain who in turn had to follow his politically inspired bosses.:Banane47: :engsmil:

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I can't understand why england feel the need to have almost 2 different teams (1 for test matches & 1 for 1 day internationals), when the test side scores at around 4/5 per over.

I'm not the biggest cricket fan, but do like to watch occasionally. It still baffles me though.

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:not_ripe: :not_ripe: Two different games need two different
teams, England are lucky to have a glut of "class" players at the moment,
pity Pakistan cant do the same, most of their up and coming players are
in the England squad, so much for patriotism. Chin Chin.
BY THE WAY MANNI ARE YOU A WELSHMAN BOUYO. :D :D :D

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If we have such a glut of class players, why don't some of them get picked for the ODIs ?

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:engsmil: Not bad for a chap who lists his only interests are (dare I say it) Accrington Stanley, by ODI's
I take it you mean one day internationals, we have to teach them the rules first, otherwise the will be walking off like their blood brothers! :D

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I see your point, however, what i'm saying is, that the current ODI (England) team are cr*p. Whereas the test team are scoring quite freely. I don't understand why they don't try the test team instead.

Like i said though, i'm not the biggest cricket fan in the world, but do enjoy watching the occasional game or 2.

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:engsmil: You dont give much away in your profile, so i'll try to be kind to you, nice of you to join in the debate youre more than welcome, did you watch the highlights of the third one day international, very very close finish Khan was the diference between the two sides, his batting was a joy to behold fours and sixes at will, he must be bred off the great Ghengis Khan a man of real
steel, just a pity he was not the captain on that infamous day. :engsmil: