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kestrelx 10-09-2012 11:45

Have the Olympics changed your World?
 
Just wondering if the Olympics have given you a new lease of life?

Singer Morrisey has said:

"I am unable to watch the Olympics due to the blustering jingoism that drenches the event. Has England ever been quite so foul with patriotism? Morrissey attacks 'blustering jingoism' of Olympic Games | Music | guardian.co.uk

It's been entertaining but give it a few months and it will all be just a distant memory. The news will be back to Politicians bickering about the recession and the discontent of reality will deepen.

susie123 10-09-2012 12:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1014686)
Just wondering if the Olympics have given you a new lease of life?
It's been entertaining but give it a few months and it will all be just a distant memory. The news will be back to Politicians bickering about the recession and the discontent of reality will deepen.

We were lucky to have the Olympics to help cheer up a miserable summer but I think the long term legacy will be negligible. Perhaps in another 60 years there will be more nostalgia, as there was this year for the last London Games.
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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1014686)
Singer Morrisey has said:

"I am unable to watch the Olympics due to the blustering jingoism that drenches the event. Has England ever been quite so foul with patriotism? Morrissey attacks 'blustering jingoism' of Olympic Games | Music | guardian.co.uk

Pity he hasn't surfaced on Accyweb. His kneejerk reactions would fit right in in some places.

Margaret Pilkington 10-09-2012 12:31

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in a word 'No'.

Houseboy 10-09-2012 13:42

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I can't see how they possibly could. People keep talking about the "Olympic legacy" and frankly I fail to see how any sporting occasion could possibly change the world, so to speak. The Olympics were a success on just about every level I agree (even though I have never really taken too much interest in the past as it's far to general for me - give me the world cup and football in general any day) and therefore it is something that, as a nation, we should be justifiably proud, but what are people expecting will happen because of it?
I heard people talking on t.v. about the thousands of volunteers who helped to make it a success (and indeed they did) and couldn't we encourage more volunteering in our society because of it. The answer to that is, I think, an unequivocal no! People, in the main I think, volunteered for the Olympics because of the status of the games and the desire to "be involved" with it. Ask these self-same people to go back to their own communities and volunteer to sweep the streets or clean up the environment generally and I think you would get a swift "no". Because there is no glamour in it!!
The Olympics was a success and our athletes (I refuse to use the term "team GB" as it is an awful Americanism that we could better do without) did exceptionally well, but that is where it ends.
There is no legacy (except possibly that if you invest heavily enough in sport something will come out of the other end of the pipe).

churchfcrules 10-09-2012 15:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Houseboy (Post 1014703)
I can't see how they possibly could. People keep talking about the "Olympic legacy" and frankly I fail to see how any sporting occasion could possibly change the world, so to speak. The Olympics were a success on just about every level I agree (even though I have never really taken too much interest in the past as it's far to general for me - give me the world cup and football in general any day) and therefore it is something that, as a nation, we should be justifiably proud, but what are people expecting will happen because of it?
I heard people talking on t.v. about the thousands of volunteers who helped to make it a success (and indeed they did) and couldn't we encourage more volunteering in our society because of it. The answer to that is, I think, an unequivocal no! People, in the main I think, volunteered for the Olympics because of the status of the games and the desire to "be involved" with it. Ask these self-same people to go back to their own communities and volunteer to sweep the streets or clean up the environment generally and I think you would get a swift "no". Because there is no glamour in it!!
The Olympics was a success and our athletes (I refuse to use the term "team GB" as it is an awful Americanism that we could better do without) did exceptionally well, but that is where it ends.
There is no legacy (except possibly that if you invest heavily enough in sport something will come out of the other end of the pipe).

although i agree with some of your post, and although i can see the point you are trying to make regarding "the glamour" of the olympics, i think it would be a more fair assumption, that those that did volunteer would go back to their community and do more volunteer work, as they probably did prior to the olympics. The majority of people who volunteer for this kind of work enjoy it, and "get bit by the bug", in my humble opinion

mobertol 10-09-2012 16:02

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Hopefully the improvements to some areas of London and its infrastructure will leave a mark for the local citizens.

I was glad the olympics were on this summer -enjoyed them immensely and thought that as a whole they showed what Britain is good at. Similarly the para-olympics -nothing bad has come out of either event and I think and they will be remembered in a positive light -hopefully a "good" memory for many of the nation's younger members - among a depressing period of doom and gloom and "bad" news all around.

garinda 10-09-2012 16:46

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It's been no more jingoistic than any other international sporting competition.

Might write the odd good ditty, but Morrissey's a fool.

Some of what I've seen this summer at the Games was very moving, and showed off the best human qualities there are. Mainly that effort, self-discipline, steely grit, and determination are great qualities to possess.

Was it worth all the extraordinary expense? Not in my opinion.

Will the supposed national 'feel good' factor last? No.

Am I glad I got to watch it, and was I moved to tears by the efforts of better people than myself, especially in the Paralympics?

Yes.

:o

BERNADETTE 10-09-2012 17:04

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Wouldn't go so far as to say it has "changed my world" but have felt priveleged and very moved at times to see the sheer grit and determination shown by the athletes of all nations, especially the paralympians.
It does put into perspective our own ailments IMHO and have got to say it did make me proud to be British.

garinda 10-09-2012 17:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1014695)
Pity he hasn't surfaced on Accyweb. His kneejerk reactions would fit right in in some places.

Has Morrissey also shared strong opinions, on the question of electromagnetic pollution?

Must have missed that, and I don't miss much.

Was just about to spread some puke coloured karma, seeing as I agreed with the first part of your post, and the fact it could perhaps be seen as wiping the slate clean, but for the slight thread wander, I'll have to wait for a more suitable post...hopefully.

Back to the thread.

The Games.

We used to have gold awards for excellence in various catagories on here.

If I'm not mistaken I was the only double gold winner, two years running.

Think they were for excellence in pointing out minor cases of hypocrisy, in those who deny it...and excellent use made of a sense of humour on the forum.

:)

garinda 10-09-2012 17:16

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 1014726)
It does put into perspective our own ailments IMHO

Totally agree.

It's a bit pat to say, and much used.

Though there is always someone in a worse position than any of us.

When those people then go on to achieve such great feats of excellence, it's a grounding reality check, as well as inspirational.

garinda 10-09-2012 17:23

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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 1014721)
Hopefully the improvements to some areas of London and its infrastructure will leave a mark for the local citizens.

I was glad the olympics were on this summer -enjoyed them immensely and thought that as a whole they showed what Britain is good at. Similarly the para-olympics -nothing bad has come out of either event and I think and they will be remembered in a positive light -hopefully a "good" memory for many of the nation's younger members - among a depressing period of doom and gloom and "bad" news all around.


Old Teabag's cardboard box has now trebled in value, because of all the regeneration in the East End.

He's an undoubted winner...in this at least.

:Banane44:

jaysay 10-09-2012 17:37

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To be honest I got more out of the games especially the Paralympics, than I could every get out of that useless clown Morrissey

garinda 10-09-2012 17:51

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'This comes just a week after he criticised the Olympics on stage in Manchester – for not including the Smiths in the opening ceremony'

Morrissey attacks 'blustering jingoism' of Olympic Games | Music | guardian.co.uk

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

10's across the board from all the judges.

For his performance in the 'Best Manc twit sulking upstairs in his bedroom' competition.

:rolleyes:

kestrelx 11-09-2012 00:07

Re: Have the Olympics changed your World?
 
Mmm I understand where Morrisey is coming from - why does everything revolve around the Queen and her spawn?:rolleyes:

The Olympics is basically a circus and it's influence will wane in time.

I just wonder perhaps if demands on normal disabled people will be too much in the light of those super hero's of the paralympics. Should we judge disabled people generally off the example
shown in this sporting event? I don't think we should!

Houseboy 11-09-2012 08:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 1014712)
although i agree with some of your post, and although i can see the point you are trying to make regarding "the glamour" of the olympics, i think it would be a more fair assumption, that those that did volunteer would go back to their community and do more volunteer work, as they probably did prior to the olympics. The majority of people who volunteer for this kind of work enjoy it, and "get bit by the bug", in my humble opinion

You could well be right on that. I suppose I'm just a bit cynical in my old age. I still think the majority were in it for the kudos though. Having said that, if you are right I think it may be the only "legacy" to come out of it.

Houseboy 11-09-2012 08:43

Re: Have the Olympics changed your World?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 1014724)
It's been no more jingoistic than any other international sporting competition.

Might write the odd good ditty, but Morrissey's a fool.

Some of what I've seen this summer at the Games was very moving, and showed off the best human qualities there are. Mainly that effort, self-discipline, steely grit, and determination are great qualities to possess.

Was it worth all the extraordinary expense? Not in my opinion.

Will the supposed national 'feel good' factor last? No.

Am I glad I got to watch it, and was I moved to tears by the efforts of better people than myself, especially in the Paralympics?

Yes.

:o

For once I totally agree with you. My sentiments entirely.

jaysay 11-09-2012 08:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1014804)
Mmm I understand where Morrisey is coming from - why does everything revolve around the Queen and her spawn?:rolleyes:

The Olympics is basically a circus and it's influence will wane in time.

I just wonder perhaps if demands on normal disabled people will be too much in the light of those super hero's of the paralympics. Should we judge disabled people generally off the example
shown in this sporting event? I don't think we should!

Well wouldn't expect anything else from you

Houseboy 11-09-2012 09:49

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The Paralympians were phenomenal!! Nothing can take away from their amazing achievements. However the question is continually being posed now about whether or not this will change people's views of the disabled.
I think not!
Why should it? Have the achievements of the Olympics made anyone change their attitudes to the able-bodied? The thing is that the paralympians are an extremely special breed, just as their able-bodied counterparts are. Just because someone with no legs can run faster than me (a truly wonderful achievement) doesn't mean that I or anyone else will look any differently open an "ordinary" disabled person. The mind just doesn't work like that. People who achieve greatness (in whatever capacity) are the exception to the rule and that is why we (metaphorically speaking) look up to them.

jaysay 11-09-2012 10:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Houseboy (Post 1014848)
The Paralympians were phenomenal!! Nothing can take away from their amazing achievements. However the question is continually being posed now about whether or not this will change people's views of the disabled.
I think not!
Why should it? Have the achievements of the Olympics made anyone change their attitudes to the able-bodied? The thing is that the paralympians are an extremely special breed, just as their able-bodied counterparts are. Just because someone with no legs can run faster than me (a truly wonderful achievement) doesn't mean that I or anyone else will look any differently open an "ordinary" disabled person. The mind just doesn't work like that. People who achieve greatness (in whatever capacity) are the exception to the rule and that is why we (metaphorically speaking) look up to them.

What I did watch I preferred the Paralympics, just watching on Saturday night was mind blowing, how people with some bad disabilities could perform in the way they, Danny Weir in the 5000m wheelchair race was just as inspiring as Mo Farah was a few weeks earlier, truely great to see

Houseboy 11-09-2012 12:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1014855)
What I did watch I preferred the Paralympics, just watching on Saturday night was mind blowing, how people with some bad disabilities could perform in the way they, Danny Weir in the 5000m wheelchair race was just as inspiring as Mo Farah was a few weeks earlier, truely great to see

I am guilty of not watching too much but that is because, as I said before, I'm not too much into the Olympics as a whole, but what I did see was inspiring. It does kind of put our own lives into perspective a little bit and, although I don't subscribe overly to the "other people are worse off than you" argument, I did feel that moaning about my life seems a little self-indulgent and self-pitying, after seeing people who could easily have said "sod it" to life actually grasp it by the proverbials and say "you're not going to beat me".
Well done to them all!!!

garinda 11-09-2012 16:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Houseboy (Post 1014848)
The Paralympians were phenomenal!! Nothing can take away from their amazing achievements. However the question is continually being posed now about whether or not this will change people's views of the disabled.
I think not!
Why should it? Have the achievements of the Olympics made anyone change their attitudes to the able-bodied? The thing is that the paralympians are an extremely special breed, just as their able-bodied counterparts are. Just because someone with no legs can run faster than me (a truly wonderful achievement) doesn't mean that I or anyone else will look any differently open an "ordinary" disabled person. The mind just doesn't work like that. People who achieve greatness (in whatever capacity) are the exception to the rule and that is why we (metaphorically speaking) look up to them.

I think the Paralympics will have shown even more people that having 'a' disability doesn't necessarily mean you can't be truly brilliant in other areas. Anyone who watched The Best of Men, about the founding of the games, and how many people were literally left to rot in some cases, will already know just how much attitudes have changed over recent years.

No way do I class myself as being 'disabled', though I suppose I am on paper because I have Parkinson's. My only real natural talent was for art, which I can no longer do. Though I was lucky enough to have earned a crust by it until I retired. I'm never going to run a marathon, but I have found other things to fill that gap, that I'm better at, than I ever thought I could be.

If they ever make 'one non-dominant handed cutting-to-the-quick typing' an event, I might even make it into the team, and be there at Rio 2016.

:rolleyes::D

jaysay 11-09-2012 17:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 1014915)
I think the Paralympics will have shown even more people that having 'a' disability doesn't necessarily mean you can't be truly brilliant in other areas. Anyone who watched The Best of Men, about the founding of the games, and how many people were literally left to rot in some cases, will already know just how much attitudes have changed over recent years.

No way do I class myself as being 'disabled', though I suppose I am on paper because I have Parkinson's. My only real natural talent was for art, which I can no longer do. Though I was lucky enough to have earned a crust by it until I retired. I'm never going to run a marathon, but I have found other things to fill that gap, that I'm better at, than I ever thought I could be.

If they ever make 'one non-dominant handed cutting-to-the-quick typing' an event, I might even make it into the team, and be there at Rio 2016.

:rolleyes::D

I'll join the one finger typing team Rindi:D


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