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Money is the root of evil.

I have watched this video - all 1hr and 22mins of it.
In it is an explanation of the state of our world in collapse - oil, wars, finances, food.

When you accept that our civilisation runs on oil and the fiat money system - the oil is running out and money will soon have no value - then you need to know how extinction can be avoided.

This one man's view of the collapse of civilisation as we know it is well worth the long watch.

YouTube - ‪Collapse - The End Of The Age Of Oil‬‏

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When I was an apprentice one of my instructors informed us that women were the root of all evil, I have never been able to prove him wrong.

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Um does Romps know that:D

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The square root of evil is 25.8069.

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maybe proved the fact to him.:hehetable

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No, women are just evil:

You need time and money to find women

Women = money x time

However, as we all know, time is money, therefore

Women = money x money

But money is the root of all evil, so

Women = √evil x √evil

or simply

Women = evil

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I rest my case :D

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Surely the quote is wrong...shouldn't it be 'The love of money is the root of all evil'

Sorry Margaret, this is in no way rubbishing your post.
I haven't watched the video......life can be a bit of a downer at times, but it beats the hell out of the alternative.

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but only after someone else has done the equation:D:D:D.........and my guess is you have tested the equation.

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I have seen that before years ago, I was only repeating something my old instructor used to say.

Women are not evil any more then men are, some people are evil and not many relatively speaking fortunately.

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yer post got me pondering, "Money is the root of all evil" is a quote i heard many times in me life, n just dawned on me..........i never heard a rich person use it.;)

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Ya I wouldn't have minded testing it out miself cashy, seeing I didn't win the Euro Lottery last night:mad::D

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There is far more to that video than 'money is evil'.
He logically explains how dependance on oil will end civilisation as we know it.

Since it it a wet half day closing Wednesday, why not watch it?
There are revelations which are emotionally moving.

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I'm far too busy watching a huge back log of programs on Sky + Margaret and haven't quite lost the will to live yet:D

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I'll watch it Margaret - thanks for posting - meanwhile do you ever think we'll have a society not based on money?

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We might - and it would end greed and corruption.
People will be judged by their personal value to society and not by monetary value. So start by being nice and generous to others to accumulate respect. Respect and barter will be the way to trade for what you need.

Utopia - I know - but people survived before money was invented, and may need to do again.

The long term destruction of power grids by solar flares could be the start of it.... ie. banking systems would collapse.

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Yes, and the average mortality age was forty.

Guess the aged, weak, and disabled didn't have much to barter.

:rolleyes:

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Not a cat in hells chance Margaret, have you known anything that has been turned back and reverted to kind, nor me neither, we now live in a world where money is god and nothing will ever change that. Its long been stated that you could take the wealth of the whole world divide it out equally between the earths inhabitants and within 5 years it would be status quo the haves would have and the have nots would have not and I think thats not far off the mark

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I am with Margaret, to some extent.

At some distance time, when there's no oil, coal, etc, we could enter another Dark Ages, and because we've lost the ability to be self-sufficent, it'll be survival of the fittest.

Not my idea of Utopia though.

Happily I'll be long gone, so won't be honing my bartering skills.

:D

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I think it's strange how people refer to a society without money as a regression. Maybe it could be a step forward rather than a step back: a natural and meaningful progression. Talking about it in a derogatory sense only shows how engrained our reliance on a financial system has become. Maybe future thinking or technology will create the possibility of moving past a money based society whilst maintaining our current standard of life; or even improving it. Who knows.

We are not the finality of human evolution or technology - as with every other generation we will be surpassed. Many aspects of our way of life and thinking will almost certainly be obsolete one day, and thinking otherwise is delusional. Permanence is temporary given a long enough timescale.

I have to say though, thinking that a lack of money would solve all of the worlds problems is a bit naive if I may be so bold. There will always be people who will take advantage of any system and people who fall victim to it - that's just life.

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Care to give an example of this Utopia?

A caring society, that exists/existed, without some sort of monetarist/bartering system.

There wasn't one.

If you were too old, weak, or infirm to hunt, or to gather for yourself, you died of old age...at thirty seven.


;)

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Money isn't everything, But its way ahead of whatevers in second place.:D;)

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What is in second place:confused::confused::confused::rolleyes::D

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You put up a shelf for me, and I give you a pie.

:D

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What only one bloody pie:D

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I think that's a fair price...for two weeks of your work.

:D

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I'll tell ya in mi prime one pie wouldn't have been enough for two hours let alone 2 weeks:rolleyes::D

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more chance of winning the lottery than getting 2 weeks outa you these days.:D

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I didn't say that one exists or had ever existed. I said it's daft to rule out the possibility that society would progress past money, and that it may or may not be better than what we have now. I made no assertions as to how the logistics would pan out.

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No, you talked of a 'society without money' not being a 'regression'.

Utopia.

Every unconnected society that's ever existed on this planet, have eventually evolved some sort of monetarist/bartering system, when they've evolved from being hunter gatherers.

It's what made us civilised, rather than just providing food and shelter for ourselves.

Make enough pots to sell, and hopefully you'll have earned enough money to feed yourself when you're old, and racked with arthritis, and no longer able to work.

A place with no money, where we only provide for our own immediate needs, in a survival of the fittest, dog eat dog world, wouldn't be some utopian idyll...it would be a nightmare.

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Sounds a little like the Soviet Union.

Where everyone, from professor to peasant, had equal status, and they all ate cabbage.

;)

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I think you underestimate the capacity for compassion that early civilisations had.
There is archeological evidence that nearthandel society protected and sustained severely disabled members of their groups.

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Have you watched the Zeitgeist video's Margaret? Here is one...

YouTube - ‪Zeitgeist - The Movie: Federal Reserve (Part 1 of 5)‬‏

Money causes a lot of evil and it is used for controlling people. How many people die because of it. Before the Wall Street Crash of 1929 the Germans didn't want to know about Hitler. It was only after years of poverty and the crash of the German Economy that Hitler was taken seriously because people believed he could sort things out. The Germans had massive loans that brought prosperity, but after the Wall Street Crash the American Banks called in the loans and caused massive unemployment which hit Germany badly - leading to people turning to Hitler. Massive inflation caused by calling in loans that the German Government at the time couldn't afford to pay back!

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Should have been more specific, and said each provide for themselves, or their own.

I've never seen any evidence of them providing palliative care for those who could no longer fend for themselves, who had no family.

Without taxation, raised collectively from a monetarist system, there would be no funding for those nature had decided weren't fit enough for survival.

That's not taking into account human nature itself, and the fact some lazy arses wouldn't work at all if there was no reward.

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Hadn't read this post when I saw ya:uzi::uzi::uzi::D

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Go back and read your Junior Book of World History.

German was suffering economically because of the astronomical inflation caused by the repayments imposed under the Treaty of Versailles, in 1919. Well before the Wall St. crash.

Hitler's rise to power started at the begining of the 1920's.

It's simplistic to believe that Nazism prospered purely because of the economic situation under the Weimar Republic.

They also tapped in to peoples' fear and prejudice, and the need for scapegoats.

A similar base prejudice that you exhibited last week, when you posted some homophobic crap on this forum.

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Even the US Government are in Debt...

US '10 days from debt disaster' - *World News - MSN News UK

Those who they are in debt to are the real rulers of this planet! :eek: :cool:

In the red! ;)

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Seeing you hate money, I have a solution for you, why don't you give me all your money and possessions purchased with it. Let's see how long you last.
Has it never occurred to you that money is the highest form of bartering? In return for your time, seeing we only have a limited amount of it, and energy, skill you get paid a agreed amount of numbers. These numbers can be bartered to purchase goods to keep you alive and enjoy at a agreed deal (price).

Without money, there would be no consumer goods, maybe a good thing. No fuel, no electricity, no gas no running water, no medicines, no hospitals, no dentistry, no help for the infirm, no supermarkets etc. Now to some this sounds great, well if you want it so bad, I suggest you move to central Africa and join a tribe of people there, because believe me there are people living like that in the world today.

This is why we have international aid programs trying to help them, seeing
they have high mortality rates.

The problem is that you live in a nice cozy world of fuzziness and only post to tell the rest of us that we are wrong. Whether mankind can rise above consumerism and take care of each other toward a common goal, is debatable. It has been tried in the old USSR, China and Cuba, but as George Orwell said, 'all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others'

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Again, you've misinterpreted my point :( Perhaps I'm being unclear.

I neither praised nor shunned a monetary system or lack thereof. I simply said that thinking the current system is the 'be all and end all' is naive.

I also specifically said it may be worse than what we have now. Hardly a vision of Utopia.

I agree that money has benefited society and contributed to the birth of civilisation, but I just see it as a stepping stone onto something else rather than the finality.

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All good examples, but just because no-one has got it right doesn't make it impossible (please - no communist remarks; I'm not suggesting any kind of system).

There's a lot of pessimism about humanity in general emerging in this thread. Seems like most are happy with money as they perceive it to be 'the lesser of two evils'. Settling for second best is not progress.

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Well the thing is if there was no money somebody would invent it simples:rolleyes:

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You suggest society may be better without a financial system, but don't say why, or how it could work.

Primitive man did live like this.

You fend purely for yourself, otherwise you perish.

Since every unconnected society in the world evolved into seeing a bartering system afforded more freedom, the chances of us ever having a non-monetarist system again are minute. If we did, it would be a new Dark Ages.

If someone has something you want, and they are happy to give it to you, in exchange for other goods, or the means to buy other goods, that's civilisation.

If someone has something you want, and you club them over the head and take it, that isn't.

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Yes - it maybe better or maybe not. All I said is that it is likely to change.

Yes - I wasn't offering a way forward. I simply said it's likely to happen.

Again the binary viewpoint. Black or white. Civilisation or anarchy. I don't subscribe to that.

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True. I'm not suggesting that money isn't currently necessary. Or isn't necessary in any society to facilitate a stage in it's progression. But I can't believe that the human race isn't capable of a system better than that which we have now. Even if I can't predict what that will be.

At any period in history, people couldn't foresee the changes in front of them. Yet their way of life slowly disappeared and a new one that they could never have dreamt of slowly took it's place. Some of these changes were relatively small, and some were huge. A change away from a financial system would obviously be a pretty big one - but that doesn't make it impossible.

If the world as we know it is the best we can achieve, then we've failed as a species. Apologies if I'm getting a bit high and mighty :o

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About as possible as a comeback by "Elvis":rolleyes:

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I think that is some ways we have moved on from carrying money...OK, we haven't done away with money, we still use financial transactions to live...but we already have moved on from carrying gold/silver coins to notes...which are promisory....and a further move hs been with debit cards...so no actual money changes hands, just the figures on the balance sheet change.

Men have always been paid in some way for their efforts(even slaves were given bed and board.....even if it was very basic).


As for the natural resources running out. They will do someday in the future.
I am sure I read something (it was a long time ago, so forgive me if I cannot tell you where I read it) that the oil producing countries had stifled the development of engines that didn't rely on oil/petrol to make them run....and before anyone tells me that oil isn't just used to propel vehicles...it is in a vast number of things that we use every day...yes I do know this....but I feel that, if allowed, scientists can find other ways of producing the things that we currently rely on oil for the production of.

As for the power to run our homes.........I don't get the wind farm stuff.....or the solar power stuff.

We are an island, the tides of the sea hold a great amount of energy......why can this power not be harnessed to produce electricity.
The winds don't always blow,the sun doesn't always shine, but the tides are constant.....and the energy is free(OK the development of the equipment to harness the power may not be)...and at least we would be self sufficient for this type of energy. And it would be GREEN energy.

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Apology not excepted:p:p:p:D

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Agree wholeheartedly, I think I also may have mentioned something similar elsewhere. Surely with todays technology & materials something can be done or is this again due to big business, shareholders & dubious deals ?

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If we can see it then surely those with a greater education can see it too...therefore it leads me to believe that it is indeed due to big business, dubous deals and the fact that the oil/gas producers wouldn't like it because it might just take some of their revenue/business.
It is pretty hard to draw any other conclusion.

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I think some of this is just normal business practice.

If you have a captive customer base, you don't need to have a Sale.

There are probably all kinds of new technologies and products being held back, to maximise profit.

Money makes the world go round...at a cost.

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Then I whole-heartedly retract it Good Sir :tongueout

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I hate a bad loser:D:D:D

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Win gracefully - lose disgracefully. The motto of champions ;)

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Man after mi own heart:hesoff::D

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and if you think you aren't winning cheat! (something I don't think I could do)

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I agree Margaret, I couldn't cheat either, honest:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rol leyes: now you stop laughing:D

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John, why would you think I would be laughing?

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Because you know me by now:D

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exactly...and that is why I wouldn't laugh at you John.

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Your so kind:foryou:

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Awwww...shucks John.:o

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Thats why i'm laughing.:tongueout

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Why do ya think I've a grin on mi face whenever I see thee:D:D