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Okay so maybe I am a bit cynical, being in the job and everything. 5 minutes in we have the JetBlue landing into Los Angeles International Airport.
There was a nose gear issue the aircraft a Airbus A320, referred to as a Boeing 737 on the show.....
Says it all, quality broadcasting, to be fair coming from Richard Desmond's empire I should have known.
Tripe, changing channel.

JetBlue Airways Flight 292 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In case you are interested

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He must have left the handbrake on , easy mistake to make with all them nobs and buttons to push:D

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Nah, it's a Airbus, it has a button for fly and one for land, you don't fly it, the computer decides if it will let you!( I kid you not)
That is why I prefer Boeings, they need flying.

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What happens when and Airbus detects a landing gear fault, does it decide you cant ever land? :D

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I was more annoyed that the last 20 minutes was basically a repeat of 'World's Most Extreme Airports' and the full hour programme Ch5 did on the Hudson crash, both broadcast only last year.

Having said that, Ch5 rocks! Ice Road Truckers and Matthew Wright!!!Yeah!!!

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Not too sure Neil.
What I found insane was the simple facts, type of Aircraft, they could not be bothered to do some easy simple research.
For example Concorde only had Two engines.....
They showed a you tube video...of a Thomson 757 at Manchester that had a bird strike with resulting engine surge/fire, this was a not a paticually dangerous event and was handled in a textbook matter. Yet those fools made it in to a horror movie.
If they wanted to go over some Real scary landings, well there was the United Dc10 at Sioux City, a Aircraft so damaged they should not have been able to land.
The hijacked 767 off the coast of Africa that ran out of fuel and ending up in the drink.
The Airbus that glided into the Azores .
Lazy rubbish journalism at it's worst, just like his so called newspapers....
Richard Desmond has a lot to answer to

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Toffee Guy:
Intestingly, the Two pilot aircraft that landed on the Hudson, Airbus A320. Apparently only had one pilot and one Cabin Crew. :confused:

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I am a relatively frequent flier and quite a nervous passenger, so i wouldn't choose to watch these kind of programmes. Have seen some because my boys like to watch them. It is much safer to travel by plane than by car but with me the issue is lack of control (not that I'm scared the plane will drop out of the sky!) -I'm a bad car passenger too and would much rather be driving!

It doesn't help that I suffer from motion sickness, I have to take drops before travelling and have found by trial and error that the best place for me to sit is just by the wing where I feel the movement less.

As to poor journalism -that's par for the course these days -you have to suspend belief whatever you watch as lazy research serves to diffuse bad information. (Unless of course it's a BBC documentary!)

Accidents are not that common in aviation - but when they do occur tend to be quite disastrous and spectacular which is why journalists love them, they make great news stories.
I wonder BG, during your time as a pilot have you had to deal with any kind of crisis or has it always been plain sailing?

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Brings an all new meaning to George:D

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No that's only if its part of the Aer Lingus fleet Neil:D

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Well planes cannot fall from the sky, at the very worst they glide. Which means you can still land, it may not be nice, but you should survive.

As to incidents, several, from loss of Autopilot, meaning you have to hand fly the plane! To a slow decompression! None have been paticually life threatening. We work very hard to keep it routine and boring!

Your right Accidents are very rare. In 2011 there were 37 fatal accidents, with 515 deaths. I am not to sure how many flights there were, Flight International have not published that number yet, you will have to wait till next week!
Compare that to road deaths!
Or deaths connected to cigarette smoking.

As to being nervous, I would love to invite you into the Flight Deck, but thanks to the Americans I cannot, soooo next time you fly,when you land, ask to say Hhello to the flight crew and tell them you are a bit nervous about flying, they would love to say hi

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Have you ever had any sort of scar BG, back in the 70s I dated a air hostess for a few months and she used to talk about some of the rough rides she had been through. I have only ever flown 6 times in my life 3 round trips and I still have white knuckles to prove it, you might say me and flying just don't mix, its not that I'm frightened of flying or anything its just that I'm scared to death of crashing:D

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Jay, I've had a few.
In Africa, going down to the Congo, some of the worst thunderstorms in the world, what a night a 600 mile diversion.
The worst though was flying over Spain, I was a newish First Officer, we hit Severe Turbulance, our food trays were on the dashboard ( for want of a better word) and we lost breakfast over the windows!
The capt asked me to look at the wings, they were flapping around!! I was genuinely scared, he explained that the wing is designed o flex up and down, to around 30ft in either direction.
Kind of put my mind at rest

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I'm not scared as I've been flying regularly since the age of 7 -first hols in Greece.

Control freaks don't make good passengers.

Have visited the cockpit when it was still allowed and took my boys when young on BA flights -where they got special kids packs with crayons etc.

Don't "enjoy" flying though -mainly because of the hassle and stress of the check-in etc.

Parents spent 10.000 recently and flew business class to NZ to visit my sister -said it was fantastic. I can't afford it -so, unless Cilla jumps out and sends me over, I'll limit my trips too Tenerife, where parents live, and the UK for the peace of my heart and soul!

My son has a colleague who has taken him up in a small aircraft -he said it was sublime...may try it one day. Imagine gliding is the absolute tops for fliers!!

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30 foot deflection OH MY GOD if i looked out of the window and saw that i would s### my self:eek::eek:

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Some years ago ,while working as a full-time English teacher for SKF (bearings and engineering), one of my aeronautical engineer students told me he'd never flown, even after having studied the theory of flight, as he still didn't believe it was possible for a plane to stay up there! Worrying...

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of course, if the wing did not flex it would be brittle.
When they build aircraft, Boeing etc have to bend a wing until they break. Typically Boeings go to Twice the design limit before snapping, even then you would still have some aerodynamic lift, so it would be the end of the world.

The secret of the Theroy of flight really revolves around the 'lift fairys' and the fresh buttered toast syndrome, all jet aircraft have a endless supply of fresh buttered toast stuck under the wing butter side up, because as we all know buttered toast always lands butter side own!
I thing Airbus use cats? But not flown one

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Just had my morning slice - reassuring theory.

Just as well I've always believed in fairies! :D

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I once sat on the fence at Heathrow and watched the Jumbo Jets landing and taking off, how the hell they ever managed it I still don't know, just wonder why Howard Hughes Spruce Goose only flew once that was supposed to be one big baby too

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I once sat in a plane at Heathrow, about 1997 I think, in a line of about 13 waiting to take off -was with my sons and flying back to Milan. We saw Concorde taxi in -that really was a beautiful plane, my boys were thrilled and still remember it now! Shame we didn't see it take off...

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I saw it take of on its maiden Flight modertol, I was actually working in Filton near the airport at the time and when it took of they used to close the road which ran by the end of the runway

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Cue puerile sniggering & smutty mile high club jokes. :rofl38::rofl38::D

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Flying courtesy of Crab airways, when you see the spanner monkey in his covveys, balancing along the seat backs & tightening nuts & bolts (for the aileron cables) with an adjustable while the Herky bird is in flight puts you right off the in-flight grot boxes you'd been given, soggy tomato soaked bread & limp lettuce adorning slices of cheese possessed somehow loose their grip of terror. ;)

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As joe louis (i think it was him ) said when he was coming over the pond ,the question was" Joe why are you going by boat to England you can take the plane " his answer was "well i can swim a bit but cant fly an inch".

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Modertol is my fashionable alter-ego Jay!:D

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Bù**àr it DIG beat me to the obvious comment...:D

More detail required Jay!

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Not to mention the ones on terra firma:D

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Ya I know, and it was saturday:D

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See Post 27:D:D

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You didn't mention the modern toilet facilities. :eek:

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As for scariest landings - well Kai Tak will always get my vote, without any plane/weather/aircrew problems - one approach took you below the tops of the skyscrapers on either side of the plane

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Bottled it. ;)

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Kai Tak, one of the hardest approaches in the world. That's why they closed it. Los Angeles had a similar approach.
Here in Europe we have Chambery, mountain at one end!
Geneva in a valley, mountains both sides amongst others. I must admit Geneva takes a bit of getting used to.
But for me Baghdad has one of the worst approaches in the world. You go overhead the airport at 15000 ft, then corkscrew in. Makes you sick, well nearly!

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Flew to Lourdes in 72 i think. first timer then, was told twas a very dodgy landing place,yet not 1 plane had ever crashed either too or from yon, Dunno if they were winding me up or not, Perhaps Boeing Guy would know?:confused:

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The island of La Palma in the Canaries has an airstrip on a very narrow strip of land next to the sea.

The island reminded me of a piece of Toblerone sticking up out of the Atlantic - so the tiny flat section must have been man made.

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Boeing Guy, wasn't that brought in for security from ground fired missiles?
If so it must be a tight corkscrew, I can imagine that's quite unpleasant!

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I think my memory was tricking me - the airport I mentioned two posts ago was Madiera not La Palma, although La Palma is on a narrow strip next to the sea too.

This video corrected my memory (second airport shown)

10 Worlds Most Dangerous Airports - YouTube

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Sport on Gordon, it was put in place after the attack on a DHL Airbus.
Cashy, not too sure about Lourdes, been in one or twice. But you could say the same about many places.

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Tenerife Norte Los Rodeos is not fun in fog. Sur Reina is OK once you've done it a few times and know how they veer round to it so steeply over the sea. Mum's house is on the flight path so I've seen them come in a million times now...

Flew in and out of Nice once on Easyjet which was "interesting".

Coming into Milan Malpensa over the alps in spring when it's cold over the mountains and hot over the plain is quite scary as the plane can suddenly plummet with the change in temp. at least that's what i though it must be!

My first ever time in Italy (1986) on Alitalia -was horrified when all the passengers jumped up clapping when we landed - i though "Oh, my god perhaps they don't always make it." Mind you the Italians clap at weddings when the bride and groom kiss -just like an excuse to make a fuss I reckon:D

Not likely to fly to Bagdhad, but where is Kai Tak then I can avoid it;)

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Kai Tak was the old Homg Kong Airport, very hairy, not nice.
As to Malpensa, nice airport, I used to go in there once a week.

To be honest Heathrow can be quite intensive.
When you get down to sub Sahara the quality of airports and navigational aids can make for a interesting day. On the plus side, you are generally the only aircraft in 200miles!!

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Will never complain about having to park in Cremona town center ever again!;):D

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Is that Golf Del Sur Dianne?

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Near there Steve -they live in Callao Selvaje, a little village near adeje but on the coast. Do you know the area?

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Didn't they build a new airport in Tenerife, after a plain crash there quite a long time ago:confused:

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I thought Jay was referring to Dan Air flight 1008 when the plane turned left instead of right or right instead of left and flew into a mountain.:(

I think they shut the north airport after that.

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Here is some info on it Dan-Air Flight 1008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Tenerife North is still open, handled 4,095,103 passengers last year.

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can`t say as i know it well Dianne,only been once,but really beautiful area and overlooked by Mount Tiede,stunning.

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Flew into it once a few years ago in mist - not pleasant.

It's not convenient for mum's though so always fly to Tenerife Sur Reina now - 20 mins from mum's. Hope to be going soon for a bit of winter sunshine.:)

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Providing the procedures are followed, everything is fine.
Remember we have families and want to get home too.

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Thank BG, thought I remember some talk about it when I was there in 83

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Corfu airport is one with runway into sea i seem to remember, when you look out of window on landing all you see is sea:eek::eek::D

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Absolutely. Can't get over what a tiny space you have to work in though considering the size of a plane.

Oh, and when the Captain speaks to the passengers giving some details of the flight, it's one of the high-lights of the trip;):D

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Well BG has a way with words mobertol:D

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Priceless Si -will look forward to flying with you in the not too distant future;):D
Budget airlines could never afford such amusing or attractive pilots:rolleyes:

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[quote=Boeing Guy;962945]Kai Tak was the old Homg Kong Airport, very hairy, not nice.
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Last time into Kai Tak was '79 in a VC-10. Take off was on the causeway out to sea - pucker time.
I know it was open for a few years more until they built the island for the new airport

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Know what you mean John. I flew a few times in the 60s/70s. Last couple of times were when I was in the States for a year, went to Mexico City and seemed to be skimming the rooftops, then back from there to New Orleans where it was all sea until we landed. Hated it so much have not flown since, came back from US on a Polish liner.

Have since visited many countries by sea/ road/ rail including Greenland. Prefer the slower travel as it acclimatises you rather than dumping you at an airport with a whopping change of climate and jet lag.

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I can understand the concern about flying, however it is the safest form of transportation.
I would rather fly than go on a Italian cruise liner

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There seem to be 2 distinct sets of thoughts provoked by the Cruise disaster: Those who are put off cruising and those (like my parents) who think it's the best time to book a cruise now as prices will go down and more attention will be paid to safety!

What about the big fuss the other year over the volcanic ash cloud -was it really as dangerous as they made out or was there an element of panic involved?

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touché.....

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Don't get me wrong BG its not the flying I have the promlem with, its crashing I'm not too fond of:D

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Each to his own,i fly usually 3 times a year n cruise once or twice a year, Have been on a few of Costas ships including the concordia n love it n much prefer it, Theres "Dickheads" in every form of employment as well as top rated folk, If we concerned ourselves about Human Error, no-one would leave there front door.

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fair enough cashy, there are cowboys in every profession.

to be honest may, i don't fancy crashing either

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How very reassuring ! :eek: :D

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Who Does?:D just seems better odds to me on a cruiser, Plus much more comfortable.;)

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Morning BG

I have been meaning to call at your house when I see your car around to ask if you think the video below is a put up job. Would the pickup take the weight of the nose wheel load and could it get up enough speed to match the planes speed in the short time it took to reach it.
The Video is from a Nissan advert so I have my doubts about it.

Nissan Frontier: Landing Gear Interviews 2 - YouTube

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G you are always welcome, I am not too sure about a car taking the weight, but would be interesting to see if it could be done....

This might wet your appetite:
Airplane Lands on Jeep on Freeway (405: The Movie) - YouTube

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As long as I am not in the car when you try to land on I don't mind you having a go.

Do you remember the tests they did landing a Jaguar jet fighter plane on the M55 when it first opened.
I have a video of it somewhere.

I will stick to a PMDG 737, it's much safer and Leeds to Manchester is easy, even though I sometimes land a few yards to the right of the runway. Must be magnetic variation not compensated for on the compass. The charts you gave me are a few years old now.

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I would love to see that!!!luv.
Looks like I need to update your charts.