Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 969619)

its the owner of channel 5 ok magazine daily star and express newspapers who supports the tories;)it wasnt labour it was rupert murdoch who first had these channels on sky first

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 969619)

its the owner of channel 5 ok magazine daily star and express newspapers who supports the tories;)it wasn't labour it was rupert murdoch who first had these channels on sky first

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 969662)

how come the tories are spending £50 billion pumping money into the economy just like labour did;)

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 969662)

how come the tories are spending £50 billion pumping money into the economy just like labour did;)

Originally Posted by SamF (Post 969730)

It's 2012 and you're worried about a channel showing softcore after midnight?

Heard of this thing called the Internet?

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 969743)

Having lived with a gambler for many years I'm personally not happy with the increase in gambling channels because I know from personal experience the heartbreak caused by gambling addiction. But looking at the broader picture everyone has to be responsible for their actions, and as said previously parental control should be used when children are in the household.

Originally Posted by SamF (Post 969730)

It's 2012 and you're worried about a channel showing softcore after midnight?

Heard of this thing called the Internet?

Originally Posted by Less (Post 969766)

That was your choice.

Most of us, may gamble a little, may drink alot, but never enough to make it a real problem.

If you and he can't control your problems that doesn't mean we all have that problem, live with it, leave him or sort it, it's up to you, it's your life don't dump it on the rest of us.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 969798)

The post effective 'parental control', should be the actual parent themselves.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 969811)

Agree, in many instances,to me its all about "Values" which are taught/inherited from the family, Sadly yeh can't put sense were there is none.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 969624)

Children watching soft porn all night?

Sounds like a case for sensible, tough parenting.

Make sure they don't have access to a television in their bedrooms.



Alternatively cut their drug allowance.

Or increase it.

So they'll be too out of it to have any interest in sex.

Sorted.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 969766)

That was your choice.

Most of us, may gamble a little, may drink alot, but never enough to make it a real problem.

If you and he can't control your problems that doesn't mean we all have that problem, live with it, leave him or sort it, it's up to you, it's your life don't dump it on the rest of us.

Originally Posted by alan7554 (Post 969667)

you have a parental guide on your set top box to restrict the viewing if this channel to minors,read your user guide and stop whinging about it,if you set your box correctly your kids couldn't watch this program unless they had a pin number.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 969886)

A lot of kids have TV's in their bedrooms, can't recall the statistics, but

it's a lot. Also these days most computers have a TV card - all you need

to do is plug in a TV USB/Software and you can watch TV on a lap top.

Also many set top boxes don't have parental controls, mine doesn't!

Oh I thought you were against drugs? :confused: You are so sarcastic? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 969886)

A lot of kids have TV's in their bedrooms, can't recall the statistics, but

it's a lot. Also these days most computers have a TV card - all you need

to do is plug in a TV USB/Software and you can watch TV on a lap top.

Also many set top boxes don't have parental controls, mine doesn't!

Oh I thought you were against drugs? :confused: You are so sarcastic? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by SamF (Post 969937)

If it bothers you, don't let the kid have a TV in their bedroom or get one with parental controls. Seriously it's called parenting.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 969887)

I don't gamble mate! :mad: I never have it's a muggs game - see them all lined up in the bookies day after day losing all their money. I wonder how many crimes are committed to fuel gambling addictions? Never mind drugs such as crack and smack! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 969954)

Sam, that's too simple a solution for some people.

Simple people.

Radical ideas.

It's too much to cope with.

Originally Posted by SamF (Post 969730)

It's 2012 and you're worried about a channel showing softcore after midnight?

Heard of this thing called the Internet?

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 970579)

That's not the point - the fact is the politicians have allowed easy access to softcore porn and gambling which are both highly addictive! When 10 years ago gambling or porn weren't allowed on terrestrial TV channels!

Also I don't think these cheap £30:00 digital boxes have parental controls mine doesn't!

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 972905)

You seem to have contradictory opinions when it comes to the difference between gambling and use of Class B drugs!

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 969887)

I don't gamble mate!

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 972913)

No; my point is that the government have allowed more porn and more gambling onto our TV's!

My point is that these two things can lead some people to addiction and anti-social behaviour as bad as anything linked to currently illegal "recreational" drugs! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 972913)

No; my point is that the government have allowed more porn and more gambling onto our TV's!

My point is that these two things can lead some people to addiction and anti-social behaviour as bad as anything linked to currently illegal "recreational" drugs! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 972936)

I did not know that porn addicts went around stealing and mugging to feed their habit.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 972973)

You don't live in kestretx's world BG;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 972923)

Some people don't need the stimulus of pornography, wherever the source.

Those pitiful souls were born to be merchant bankers.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974757)

You are adamantly against recreational drugs but are prepared to turn a blind eye to porn!

Two Ex Porn Stars Uncover the Truth About Porn - YouTube

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 974763)

I think you are either being deliberately provocative or trying to score points!
From my own perspective, the porn industry tends to exploit the most vulnerable people in society and has strong links to the drugs industry which also exploits the most vulnerable people in society - and at the risk of muddling up threads, I don't feel that legalising either is the answer!

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 974767)

Very lucid point, however for 59 pages on annother thread you and others have advocated, if not saying out right, that wouldn't it be good to legalise illegal drugs.

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 974767)

Very lucid point, however for 59 pages on annother thread you and others have advocated, if not saying out right, that wouldn't it be good to legalise illegal drugs.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 972922)

You've publicly stated you twice took heroin.

Most people would say that was a bit of a gamble.

Still, I suppose it was lucky you didn't become addicted to smack.

You don't seem to have the right personality and temperament, to have been a successful whore.

Which would have only added to your misery.

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 974765)

So let me get this straight, you are for the relaxation of the law on Illegal Drugs, but you would like something done about the amount of pornography and Gambling in society, which for the most part is legal.

The reason behind this is the facts that Drugs are damaging to some and addictive as opposed to Pornography and Gambling which is damaging to some and addictive.:rolleyes:

Or did I miss somthing:D

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 974763)

I think you are either being deliberately provocative or trying to score points!
From my own perspective, the porn industry tends to exploit the most vulnerable people in society and has strong links to the drugs industry which also exploits the most vulnerable people in society - and at the risk of muddling up threads, I don't feel that legalising either is the answer!

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974867)

No taking heroin wasn't a gamble!

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974867)

No taking heroin wasn't a gamble! It was as safe as drinking a bottle of Vodka!

I have no regret at all for any drugs i have taken and am glad I took what I did. At least I know what I'm talking about and I "survived" it!

There is no connection between taking drugs and being a prostitute at all which you seem to be insinuating here!

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 974874)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 974896)

Making a statement like that tells us that you might have survived so far but the damage has obviously been well and truely done, a fact you keep proving day after day on this site

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 975176)

You are talking nonsense -

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 975176)

You are talking nonsense - if I met you I would be able to match you on any intelligence test. Why should I regret taking drugs, just because people like you keep telling me I'm a bad boy for doing it and that I should be suffering because of it! Which is the attitude you have - you can't get it into your heads that a large percentage of people who have taken some reacreational drugs are not damaged by it! People have done more damage to my life than any drugs have ever done.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 975176)

You are talking nonsense - if I met you I would be able to match you on any intelligence test. Why should I regret taking drugs, just because people like you keep telling me I'm a bad boy for doing it and that I should be suffering because of it! Which is the attitude you have - you can't get it into your heads that a large percentage of people who have taken some reacreational drugs are not damaged by it! People have done more damage to my life than any drugs have ever done.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974868)

What I am saying is that porn and gambling can harm an individual as drugs can. Just commenting that they have allowed more of these 2 "products" onto our TV sets - so they are saying that the public can get addicted to Porn and Gambling that's OK! But Drugs if you get caught we'll punish you!

I think that's hypocritical.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974870)

Thing with drugs they are not all for the same purposes - all drugs don't make people sell their bodies for crack and other stereo-typical attitudes about it.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 975662)

It seems to me that you have double standards.
You have made a statement, which I have highlighted in red above.
This goes against much of what you have been saying in the thread about illegal drugs.
And then you go on to say:-

The drugs you are keen to legalise, you tell us, are safe for recreational purposes.

I think that you are operating double standards here.
Gambling and pornography are no better that taking recreational drugs(I'm not saying that they are any worse either).....but it seems to me that you have advocated that responsible people, should be allowed to get their recreational highs in any way that they see fit.
Yet here you are, pontificating about the gambling and pornography that is available on TV.
What bit of pornography and gambling are you worried about? That because it is on TV it is accessible to children? My TV has parental lock on it....that alone would not stop a teenager from viewing such stuff as it is freely available on the internet.

This is not a personal insult to you(I am just saying it as I see it)......but I think it is time you got down from your high horse. It is clear that there isn't enough oxygen up there for you to function properly.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 976876)

I don't think that I have attacked you....I might be considered as attacking your logic and your argument.......I don't think I have slated you personally.

If you use even the simplest things in life wrongly, then you are in danger.

Every aspect of life has a risk attached to it....getting up every morning we do not know what we are to be faced with in that day.

The porn channels that you talk about, do not air in this country until very late...some are in the early hours of the morning....so young children, in the homes where parents are responsible, will be unlikely to be affected by them...and as I say the newer TV's have parental lock on them.
Porn of all kinds can be accessed via the internet at any time day or night....but then again responsible parents will try to minimise the risk to their teens by having some sort of parental lock on the sites that can be visited......even this is not foolproof.

We can only arm our children by giving them good role models and sound moral backgrounds.....this becomes harder for parents every day.

Back to drugs again....just because some drug users(who you perhaps think were responsible users) live to what you consider to be a good age, does not give weight to the argument that they are safe.

For every person you cite to have lived to a good age, there must be hundreds of people who have died early because of use of drugs......OK, many of these will not have hit the headlines because they were not famous....so it does skew the figures a bit.

There is no responsibility in using illegal drugs every person who uses illegal drugs leaves themselves open to the possibility of addiction to harder drugs and or mental illness.

I don't want to visit this drug argument/discussion again...it is a waste of my time, which is precious(and I might not have much left).

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 976964)

Kestrelx please stop quoting from the internet!!!!! You can find anything to support your argument on the internet, to be credible you should widen your research! If you feel so strongly you should make time to thoroughly back up your argument otherwise your argument is flawed!

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974755)

Ted Bundy mass murderer of woman said that it was Porn laid the foundation for all the murders he did!

Serial-Killer Ted Bundy's Dire Warnings About Pornography - YouTube

I am not saying he is right...BUT :confused::eek: he did the crimes so he knows more than any of us about what may have spurred him on!

Originally Posted by bluefatherdougal (Post 978951)

Ted Bundy was a serial killer with a rather turbulent childhood which if looked at in some detail would probably provide more compelling evidence for his actions than "it was the Porn that made me do it". Furthermore Ted Bundy was an intelligent Psychologist who was also quoted as saying "I'm the most cold-blooded sonofabitch you'll ever meet, I just liked to kill, I wanted to kill." Not your average pornography watcher then.

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 976964)

Kestrelx please stop quoting from the internet!!!!! You can find anything to support your argument on the internet, to be credible you should widen your research! If you feel so strongly you should make time to thoroughly back up your argument otherwise your argument is flawed!

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 977000)

His arguments are always flawed anne, you can't make sense out of nonsense, which is all he ever spouts on here

Originally Posted by bluefatherdougal (Post 978951)

Ted Bundy was a serial killer with a rather turbulent childhood which if looked at in some detail would probably provide more compelling evidence for his actions than "it was the Porn that made me do it". Furthermore Ted Bundy was an intelligent Psychologist who was also quoted as saying "I'm the most cold-blooded sonofabitch you'll ever meet, I just liked to kill, I wanted to kill." Not your average pornography watcher then.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 978983)

How dare you!!! How dare you when you have de verbal diarrhoea! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 978984)

I believe that when he said "Porn made me do it!" He was trying to find an excuse and it wasn't porn that made him do it!

Bundy was one of those children who had a hell fire and brimstone mother preacher who used to humiliate him! Then one day he found out she wasn't his real mother. I believe that was what made him a woman hater and thus a serial killer which is a pattern found in many serial killers!

Originally Posted by bluefatherdougal (Post 979010)

So the evidence to support your argument is slightly flawed!!!

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 978984)

I believe that when he said "Porn made me do it!" He was trying to find an excuse and it wasn't porn that made him do it!

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 979019)

So why put your post 37 and the video on in the first place?
We don't really need to try to discredit most of your posts, you do it quite effectively yourself.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 979021)

Because it's coming from a man who watched porn and murdered women! So it has some credence! When I post or anyone else - no one expects that what is posted is absolute concrete - to expect this is total nonsense - no post is ever concrete FLLIPING ing evidence SO PLEASE ANNE SINGLETON GET OFF YOU HIGH HORSE AND STOP CRITICISING!

Go to Google and type in "free porn" when the list comes up click on a few and you could see something very unsavoury in pop up videos that one could only describe as "violence against women!" Why is that allowed by the government?

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 979028)

I'm afraid that's not my post.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 979021)

Because it's coming from a man who watched porn and murdered women! So it has some credence! When I post or anyone else - no one expects that what is posted is absolute concrete - to expect this is total nonsense - no post is ever concrete FLLIPING ing evidence SO PLEASE ANNE SINGLETON GET OFF YOU HIGH HORSE AND STOP CRITICISING!

Go to Google and type in "free porn" when the list comes up click on a few and you could see something very unsavoury in pop up videos that one could only describe as "violence against women!" Why is that allowed by the government?

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 979059)

Well how do you know what what comes up if you google "free porn" Oh Hum:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 986265)

Mentally ill young: Pornography link | The Sun |News|Politics :confused::confused::confused:

Most users of porn these days are 12 to 18 years old!

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 975209)

Pity you didn't see Amy Winehouses father this morning on TV, I feel sure you might just find he's another person who thinks your talking gaga

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 986268)

Its quite obvious that parents aren't keeping their eyes on their kids, but there again when kids access the internet via their mobiles I suppose its getting harder to police even for parents

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 986305)

I know you have a point there Jaysay. But it was the constant abuse of alcohol that killed her off.



To the mentioning of heroin. Heroin is bad because its highly addictive and turns people into pathetic, dirty and untrustworthy losers. Not because it is dangerous/

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 986314)

What they should do is put in laws for suppliers of porn, that they can't put free porn on the Internet, it has to be on secure sites and users have to prove they are 18 or over. Obviously no system will be perfect and there will always be some kids breaking the rules. But making porn suppliers unable to post free porn will stop young kids some like 9, 10 watching hardcore porn easily.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 986322)

Might be saw Restless but I think she had her fair share of drugs too.