Born to Kill; Harold Shipman.
 

Just watching this series "Born to Kill" about Harold Shipman.

His mother was over bearing controlling and controlled his social life, stopping him from being friends with people she didn't think were good enough, hence he grew up being aloof etc - she died of cancer when he was 17 and the night, after she died he went out jogging all night. He often sat with her and watched as the GP administered Morphine in a syringe. One expert claims that is when he got the idea to start killing folk and it was only after his mother died did he tell friends he was going to be a Doctor even though he didn't have the right qualifications, but he worked to get them.

It's obvious that the relationship with his mother did have some bearing on what he did - in the time honoured way laid out by psychologist Freud, and illustrated in the film Psycho, in which the main character lives out his mothers commands long after she is dead. Though these days the trend is to blame "genetics!"

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I watched this programme last week and found it fascinating. I personally don't think people are born to kill. I do think though that there may be a predisposition in some people for risk taking behaviour and given a certain set of circumstances throughout childhood the person may become a killer as a result of twisted thought processes.

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If you read background of these sort of people they always had some very traumatic relationship with one or both parents. Now his mother died when he was 17 and she was a very controlling individual? How did he cope with her dying and who helped him come to terms with it? If she was as controlling as the program made out, perhaps no one helped him and that trauma could be what damaged his thought processes to lead him to do what he did. Also he may not have thought he was murdering people because he wasn't physically attacking them, but using a syringe which perhaps made him think his actions were more acceptable in his warped mind.

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None of that cuts it wi me!!People may dig up reasons why etc, A nutter is a nutter, n all except n imbecile know its wrong to kill.

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Ya cashy they all attend "sob stories are us" then expect people to think they were hard done to when they were young,

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I find it fascinating looking at what makes people do such things.

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Since the man is dead we will never really be sure.....we can second guess all we like. Maybe he just liked having the power to decide who lived and who didn't....maybe he gained some kind of perverted pleasure in playing God in their lives
I never trust these so called 'experts'.......X marks the spot and a spurt is just a drip under pressure

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Shipman never said anything about why he did it - never even owned up to anything, murder or otherwise, no sob story. It's just worked out by the psychiatrists.

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Ya so because a trickcyclist says so its gospel then:rolleyes:

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Common sense, pal - common sense!:rolleyes:

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Something you haven't got and proved it in spades;)

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You have to get personal because you don't have anything of any worth to say on the subject - apart from "All killers are evil and should be strung up!" :rolleyes: I got more suss than you'll ever have! Your views are straight out the Tory hand book of bog standard comments. ;)

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Whilst i never have/never will be a Tory, where does mine come from?:D

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Pray tell me where to get one of them, was amember for 40 years never saw one, and as for being suss we already know you are sport:)

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You idiot! It always ends up with going off topic with you and talking bull - and making personal attacks! Perhaps that's why a lot of people dissapear and don't bother posting again.

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Now boys don't let's get worked up about Doctor Shipman, he's really not worth it! My point was that I find it interesting trying to find out what makes people tick, and I think Kestrelx was saying the same thing? And I do think that psychology in particular can tell us a lot, although by saying that I know I stand to be shot down in flames!

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I agree psychology can tell us a lot, The trouble is some accept its correct chapter @ verse, Which it sure as hell aint.;)

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your the one who went of topic by bringing politics into the thread, but I understand it must be hard for you to tell the difference you wonder about so much;)

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There is an old saying I think it comes from the Jesuits (A Catholic Order) "Give me a child until he is 7 and I will give you the man!" Take that also to mean "I will give you the woman!" if the child's a female.

It means that those years up to 7 are the most important! :rolleyes:

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Must have failed miserably in your case then;)

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All i got to say to thee is "you dum ass idiot!" :alright:
PS Mods I expect a warning for the above statement!:p

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Seems like ya got one

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I was interested in the fact that he committed suicide before a certain date so that his wife (Primrose) would benefit from his death. I was always under the impression that insurance policies didn't pay out on suicides, or is that wrong? Or did she benefit in some other way?

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I always thought life insurance was null and void after suicide, but would hate to think that anybody would benefit from this monsters death

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I was fortunate to have been given a lecture at uni on Harold Shipman by Robin Braithwaite, the forensic toxicologist who worked on the Shipman case, and I found it fascinating from a sciencey side!

I had no idea about his past, but he was sane enough to become a doctor and gain a family... something musta snapped over the years!

Good riddance... Though, Jaysay, you could say I benefited from his death... I had an exam question about him haha!

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My youngest son was doing an A level in law when the trial was on, and he spent a day at the old Preston Crown Court watching it. He said Dr. Shipman really chilled him, apparently he showed no emotion and his eyes were very piercing and cold.