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When I mentiond that a possible reason for the link being removed was that they thought the majority of postings were childish, I was of course only making an assumption.

In goes without saying ( even though I am saying it ) that the Jammy Dodger Brigade have every right to carry on with their "FUN".  But it has been pointed out that it is up to the Moderator to accept or reject topics.

I will repeat again my suggestion that those "FUN LOVERS" start up their own WebSite.

Just one other aspect interests me and that is that over 200 members have looked at the thread under "Hyndburn Youth Council" and as I write only half a dozen have chosen to pass an opinion about an issue which is of concern to Roy.

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As I said bert, the silent majority, which is often the case!

Can I just point out again though, that I can only moderate the sections with my name on them. I try to keep those reasonably tidy by checking them myself. I aslo report posts in other areas, but it is not up to me whether they are deleted or not.

I've not been coming on much lately because of the way things are going, and it seems an awful lot of people are of the same mind, as the top 50 covers 3 days posts. I can remember coming on in a morning, and the posts were coming up so fast we couldn't keep up with them! What went wrong?

We have 600 members and only a handful are posting. Even bearing in mind that some people will check the forum and never post anyway, or that some register and don't come back to the site, that's says a lot!

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The reason i have not contributed is that a lot of rubbish has been on by,a certain few. I hope this will change.I was sick of the jam post.

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Yo!

Looks like I've missed a full & frank exchange of opinion over the weekend....what a shame..I also missed the rugby as well. Judging from what I have just read I'm not sure which as been the greater battle and who has taken the biggest hits.

Let me just make a few observations:

1) I think I'm right in saying that the "forum" has divided between the funnies and the serious mob, with the former being accused - possibly rightly - of  of executing audacious raids into Serious territory from their heavily protected Anything Goes homeland.

2) But it's really no surprise, is it - certainly from my experiance. When pertinent questions have been asked by those who are prepared to think critically and challenge the the goody-goody norm- i.e. questioning priorities in the local education budget or disagreeing with attempts to curtail the local Formula 1 racing fraternity, then those questions have simply been blanked out.

3) Well, we're not all goodie-goodies ready to kow-tow and pander to the Accrington testament of political correctness. Some of us think a little bit radically and are prepared to back our arguments with critical discourse and occaisionally a sense of humour...something found , by the way in debate in democratic insitutions such as the House of Commons.

3) To those on here who would be happier attending the 12th Party Congress of the Peoples Rebublic of North Korea, I say fine...enjoy your fun your way. But those of us...Happyone, Mik.D, myself...we'll continue to be the Winston Smiths of this world...we won't submit to the heavy hand of injustice & the big paintbrush of censorship....we shall continue, by whatever means are neccessary....

WE FIGHT ON!

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Anne - you're in this to....we'll make a good gang of four...

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Phew I was about to send yas a message accusing ya of being a m.s.p. Coz there are women in parliment now ya know tea.
Dont forget janet and Lettie.
This was once a Happy  :) forum.
Cazzers right people arn't posting like they used too. ???
Propper serious posts were kept serious by the jam gang or Dodger brigade what ever.
Anything reported has being inapropriate has been dealt with accordingly.
Miss read threads av been the cause of some silly answers.
Out of all the posts when I went through them only a few threads above anything goes involved Jam and these were NOT in anything that can be deemed serious.
Bellow anything goes nothing out of place.
The only thing keeping people away has far as i can see is the fact that
A They are scared they may post in the wrong place.
B They can sense the atmosphere of the board. Its NOT that nice Sunny place people once came to pass the time of day and HAVE FUN.
There IS room for Serious threads that EVERYONE finds serious and Then there are the semi serious threads that you are either into or your not.
Then There is the buy sell and swap were iam sorry to say there is going to be humour creeping in depending on whats being sold and I for one like to think everyone has one to some degree.
I think that people should STOP making mountains out of mole hills.
I think if any one of us J.G were truley upsetting people then fair enough complain through the channels and i'm sure it will be removed.
If I want dead serious all the time I would log on to a news bulliting board or an appropriate site.
Accrington wants to see a good balance. Christamas is on the way and its time we got back to people wanting to come on the site because it has something to offer everybody.
Nobody is comeing on now to say thanx for the fun and enjoyment.
I hope the fight is done.
[smiley=ban.gif] [smiley=jam1.gif]

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Yes, you’re correct, the forum has been divided between the funnies and the “serious mob” as you put it!

(Do note though, won’t you, that some people post in both, so it’s not a matter of separating the posters, but the subject matter.
Because someone likes to make a few serious comments, doesn’t mean he/she is devoid of a sense of humour.)

This was originally done because threads weren’t kept on topic, and constantly wandered off at a complete tangent.
As I pointed out, those people who have the forum set so they can receive email alerts of replies, were getting increasing infuriated that a post they went to bore no resemblance to the subject they were previously talking about!
Also people using the last post lists were not seeing what they wanted to, when they logged on to the forum.
Not everyone has the time to constantly go through the whole forum to check for relevant posts, and this facility was useful.

Regarding your deleted posts, I don’t know what those were, and presume that Roy must have deleted them for whatever reason, maybe the way in which they were written, rather than the subject content. Or maybe because someone reported them because they thought they were written in an offensive manner. That’s for him to say.

Regarding other people’s posts which have been censored or deleted, these were quite frankly offensive, abusive, completely inappropriate or contained bad language. I'm sure the majority of people have nothing against that.

I don’t know about anyone else who agrees with the issue that’s been raised, (including seemingly, Roy) but I am certainly not a goody-goody, and I don’t “kow-tow” to anybody, no way! If I have something to say I will say it, and will push my beliefs and opinions as far as I can, in any way I can. Anyone who knows what I do would tell you as much.

Yes, we have humour in the House of Commons sometimes tealeaf, but about the subject in hand usually, not something completely out of context.
I don’t think anyone’s got any objection to a bit of humour in the main section as long as it’s remotely relevant to the thread!

Can I once again mention how quiet this forum’s been lately? No one has yet replied to that. Today’s been the busiest day in a long while, and that’s not saying much.
We used to have a large number of regular posters with something interesting to say, where did they go and why?

In the end, Roy will decide what happens with the forum, it’s his baby after all, and it would seem he is in agreement that it needs a shake up. (I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong.)
We don’t want the forum to disappear do we? And I don’t think Roy wants to be the administrator of a site that eventually could contain hardly anything but silly posts, if many more stop logging on, and is virtually used as a glorified chatroom.

You want someone to have a decent debate with surely tealeaf?

@ Anne.
Why do you keep focusing on JAM when other issues are being raised?

Are the Administrator's opinions of no interest to you?

Are the deserting posters of no interest to you?
I know of 3 people personally who don't post any more now, and it's because of what's happening to the forum. Not for the reason you state.

Or the ones who have complained to admin in private or on the forum?

Nobody's stopping anyone being as daft, silly or funny as they want in AG. So where is the problem?

This subject started due to Roy commenting on a severed link on the council website, might be worth bearing that in mind.

PS. Might also be worth noting that since this topic started, quite a few posts have been deleted, either by Roy, or the person that made them. That says something.

Yes because the moderators keep pretty much on top of things!

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Nobody wants serious all the time, as you should have noticed by reading the previous posts.

Precisely! You agree now then?

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It seems that Tealeaf has been reading the Guardian and got his reports wrong.

I'd just like to clarify the facts:

1) The 'audacious' raids by the Anything Goes Terrorists were in fact 'Unwarranted Spam Attacks' on innocent civilians. The Anything Goes Terrorists (A.G.T) are not from a heavily protected homeland but have escaped from a highly contagious quarantined area to the south of the main forum.

4)Hi Winston have you met my friend Ben?  :o

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This thread was started by me commenting that perhaps the Hyndburn Council removed the link because they thought it was dominated by children. A touch of the tongue in cheek maybe, but come on -- was it an outrageous assumption.  I will call in at the Council Office in the morning and see if I can get the reason for the removal of the link.

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i have already tryed that bert they wont say
its not the council offices you nead to go to its scarfield house or scarcliff house not sure
up near the globe centre. :-X
:D

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Direct from the webmaster at HBC, who gave me permission to quote:

I'm sure now we could all take that comment on board and help Roy to get the site back to what it used to be.

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I would respectively suggest that the toady little bureaucrat above has better things to do....such as going round Accy market ensuring that the stallholders are selling their spuds in metric measures rather than imperial.....or alternatively patrolling the streets of Church or Springhill to ensure that peoples Wheelies are lined up at the right spot & at the right time, and if not...that's a hundred quid to you, matey.


Is it any wonder that people are cynical of government - local or national - and their motives? Whatever happened to encouraging local initiative & enterprise? The only links that the HBC site encourages are those to other piles of bureaucratic garbage.The HBC site is a pile of crap.

I think Roy should stick a warning up - "Don't visit the HBC site - its bad for your health"

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where is that then cazzer  all this abuse ?

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Lets see if we cant get things straightened out here.
My only complaint was about the jam thing.
Recap. Going on about Jam postings not being kept to anythin goes.
Mick was accused of jam postings here there and everywhere they shouldnt be.
He was annoyed.
I checked through and found ONLY ONE posting where it shouldn't be.
I have been on about jam because that was the only thing i was talking about at the time.
And I will say again the main Jam posters have NOT invaded any serious posts.
On the other hand the rest of what you have been saying I have NOT disagreed with.
Roy does a BRILLIANT job with this site.
He takes off anything inaproprate he sees or his attention is drawn to.
I did NOT say he has had to remove any of my posts.
Coz he hasn't.
All things and people are dealt with and fairly.
So let me see  ???
You moderate your section to the best of your ability.
You said so.
Mick does his job the best he can.
Roy deals with his complaints blah,blah,blah.
So what on earth is the problem.  [smiley=bye2.gif]

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and stop saying we  swear on post because we dont the only one that has done that and :) he  wasnt  part of  the jam buttie  people as we have been named

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Why would you be asking me that? The quote’s from the council webmaster!

Are you trying to tell me there hasn’t been any, and that a heck of stuff didn’t eventually get deleted?

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Are you trying to say there hasn’t been any of that either, which eventually got deleted?

You seem to be taking these two comments personally, as if they were aimed at you, when if you read the posts carefully, they are obviously not!

And there has been a lot more than one perpetrator I can assure you!


Exactly! Though as Roy said, he can’t be on the forum 24 hrs a day, and can’t be expected to check every single post. He has once again asked people to report various things, because people are not doing so! It seems to be just the mods, but they can't be on 24 hrs a day either!

Did I say you did? No!

I said that several things were deleted after this topic started, and after once again Roy had asked people to keep things sensible, and made a plea for a new moderator to help out.

Just for the record though, seeing as you keep going on about it, a post made by you was deleted from a serious thread within minutes of him issuing these posts! I know that for a fact because I reported it.

Well the problem is that there is concern about the state of the forum as a whole, several points being raised, but as usual, the subject keeps returning to jam.

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Jeez, we have whingers over at blackburn247.com - all complaining because those that do post, post 'too-much' or post 'irrelevent topics' . This does come sometimes from members who apply themself to the site, but many times comes from people who have posted very little.

If you don't like the threads ignore them, post YOUR topics and stick to them. If no-one replies to your topics, but the meaningless ones, tough!

It's amazing, on other forums, the length and breadth of the country, forums flourish - people who post lots are seen as the life of the forum. However on these forums (free ones I hasten to add) for people in the Northern Towns, we get this phenomenon of whingers. And they appear to be the minority - but expect the majority to do as they do. ::)

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So the “whingers” as you put it are in a minority?
No just the ones that say something about it are. Those that won’t usually just stop posting and eventually go elsewhere.

Bear in mind won’t you that Roy started the forum, and that he set out some rules to try & keep it on track.
Don’t know if you allow swearing and abusive posts on your site, but it’s not supposed to be on here.
The forum link’s already been deleted from the council site because of it.

It’s not a matter of a minority expecting the majority to do what they want, it’s just being sensible.
Nobody said anything about irrelevant topics or threads, is there such a thing, as long as it's in the right place? Just totally irrelevant posts in them. What’s the point having different threads if we post just anything in them?
Most good forums I’ve seen issue statements about keeping things on topic, otherwise the whole thing can become a shambles.

The site is supposed to be a discussion forum for the whole community, with a potentially much bigger audience. Would suggest that this potential is borne in mind too, rather than losing part of the audience we’ve already acquired.

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Calling Sunray Major -Calling Sunray Major -- Come in Roy.

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Fun posts are good
Serious posts are good

Serious posts in fun areas are OK so long as they are not trying to be party poopers

Humour in serious areas is OK so long as they are not trying to annoy

BUT
The problem we have here is that, as soon as someone tries to be serious. Tealeaf or one of his wannabes posts a stupid or sarcastic comment in response. This is soon deleted by the moderators or missed. But too late as the original poster has seen it.

No matter what tealeaf may say in his defence. No matter what booth76 may say in his/her infinite wisdom. The facts are very few serious topics are started and the serious posters have mostly given up and left. Make up all the excuses you want. Pontificate all you want. tell us al how it should be.  It does not alter the fact that this forum has gone downhill and it is due mainly to one self confessed forum bad boy

booth76 you have missed the point completely. No one wants a serious no fun messageboard. No one wants a fun only messageboard.  What has spoilt this one is people trying to spoil it for everyone else. first to gain BOO points and when that system was dropped then they had a reputation to keep up.

It would seem they have a limit and so far have not invaded medical type subjects. But anything else seems to be on limits to Tealeaf


Just ask "anyone" if they agree :)

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OK. I'm being serious. Now what?

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Sums you up exactly.  I made it quite clear that no one is objecting to you being silly. No one is suggesting you should be serious.  

The problem is when you infect serious subjects. But here you are pretending you don't know.

I am or used to be an avid reader.  You have spoilt my enjoyment of reading.  Now you pretend you don't understand.

I have had my say. I will go back to reading. My comments have fallen of deaf ears it seems :(

If "anyone" agrees then respond.   Oh I did ! :)

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Have you been drinking?

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I think we have a great mix of fun and serious. Also, what is referred to by the wingers as "silly" often isn't silly, it's a serious opinion, albeit sometimes radical, expressed in a light-hearted manner.
I post in both sections. If I'm posting something serious and get witty replies I either:
a) ignore them
b) respond cos they tickle my fancy and then get on with the serious bit

I see a forum like a family - you can't exclude members, they are always part of the family. I have two brothers, with one I can talk seriously, but the other keeps butting in with witty, sarcastic comments. What can I do? Either I ignore him or I reply then get on with my conversation with the other. but I can't change my family. I have to accept it. Society is like that. If you want a forum with replies that completely suit your needs and desires at all time, then you have to allow only yourself to post, and not make it public.
If there is more wit than serious talk, then perhaps that's a representation of Accy folk - is that such a bad thing?

Re. keeping serious to serious and witty to witty, that's really impossible. You know wit has to be stimulated, and often it's stimulated by a topic under a serious thread.

I personally am less on the forum now because it has got a bit boring. Tend to send private messages more than anything. But then if I were to stop posting, would it be less important than Cazzer's 3 friends, because I wasn't always serious anyway?

We have no market research, we do not know why people have stopped. Fact is that a society and thus a forum is made up of different kinds of people and no-one is forced out. If you don't like it, lump it. If it gets too seriouos for me, I won't bother coming on, if it gets too silly for others, they won't bother. It's natural selection which forms the culture of a forum, and not a group of dictators.

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If everyone was the same it would be boring. I like to read the serious stuff as well as the funnies, there is plenty of room on here for everyone. so people keep posting your serious threads.

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having just read  all of this thread, it does seem to have got a bit out of proportion, who can post what and where on the forum.i too was an avid reader and that's why i registered, but it has gone quiet recently. on the whole i agree with the last post, live and let live,but keep it clean and decent :) :)

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ok ok lets all [smiley=cuddle.gif] and make love not war  things happen people  dont like one thing  some dont like another  swearing is not  liked by any one  so least we agree on one thing but   please dont tell people what to do  we are not just the number that we joined by  ;D

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We could have a poll......??  ;D

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i not going to poland  ;)

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Shock horror, that wasn't supposed to be FUNNY was it???????????????  :o
You'll be censored......  ;)

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Who wants a forum that completely suit’s ones own needs all the time? No one. Would rather defeat the object of a forum in the first place, wouldn’t you say?

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Fair enough, humour can come in to a serious thread, no one said it couldn’t, thought we’d said that earlier. Completely turning a thread around is another matter.

And fair enough, radical views are OK, but being radical doesn’t mean you have to be nasty or abusive with it!

Also We keep going back to “serious versus funny” and that’s not the point.

Exactly, who’s trying to?
Not me, if you read all my posts. I thought I was giving a fairly moderate view of things.

Well, whichever point you’re viewing from, why should that have to be the case?  A forum’s for everyone, as you say.

Think Janet's & Susie's posts sum it up don’t you? There’s room on here for everyone, but keep it clean and decent.

Happy one - [smiley=cuddle.gif] - nobodies telling anyone what to do, just voicing opinions like you've just done. You obviously agree on some of them, ie swearing and abusive posts.  :)

Jo, re the poll, unless we got everyone back on, the poll wouldn't be an accurate representation would it?
It would definitely have to be a multi question poll too, as more than one point's been brought up.

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:o At last does this mean we are ALL FRIENDS AGAIN.  [smiley=cuddle.gif] [smiley=love.gif] [smiley=cheers.gif]
Perhaps we can now get this site back on track.

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When did anyone fall out Anne?  ???  [smiley=cuddle.gif]

Just cos someone has a different  opinion or points facts out doesn't mean there's been a fall out does it? Not in my book anyway. Thought thats what forums were about.

:) :)

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[smiley=ello.gif] Accy Web.Com
Ours is a nice site. Ours is.
Everybody's Welcome, come on in, have fun.
Always someone to help if you've a problem or cheer you, when feeling glum.
Welcome to Accy Web.com its a site you'l thouroughly enjoy.
I must warn you its totaly adictive and games there are to play.
You will be on here in the morning and want to stay all day.
We have our spits and spats. Give all our humble oppinion.
Some times a smalie says it all and shows some what our feelimgs
[smiley=cheers.gif] Accy Web.Com xmas bash is in the oak tree. See relivant posts.

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I think the core issue of this thread is about how the Forum is perceived by Hyndburn Council.
Does it, or should it be of concern that they have removed the link ?

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I don't think they should have removed the link as the forum is a representation of the real Accy and not the image of Accy they want to portray. However, the choice is theirs, it's just a shame they do not give the citizens of Hyndburn  information anymore that the forum exists, some may be interested in seeing it.
At the end of the day though, word of mouth is better, everyone should tell their family and friends about the forum, and stuff the red tapers!  ;D

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I suppose that if our Hyndburn Council feel that if they have an obligation to "maintain standards" then they are quite entitled not to put a link in to this site....

Funny though...there's another Hyndburn Council...the one that sponsors their local football team....the name is emblazoned on the shirt, as worn by the supporters....during the one away game I recently attended a small, vocal minority of these supporters were busy referring to the oppostion team, supporters and match officials in language often associated with that of the old Anglo-Saxon...

"What a splendid advert for your local town and it's council", I overheard several of the locals remark, somewhat cynically.

It's just a good job that our Hyndburn Council is not like that other lot, is'nt it.

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Two-faced gits! Talk about double standards! Maybe they cut the link becasue the language we use wasn't quite foul enough, did anyone think of that??  ;D

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;) well   can i just say one thing  and no it s not jam i was going to say  does it matter if  the link is there or not   looks like  every time i log on we got a new reg on the web so cant be all bad  ;D

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Well, Happy..as far as I am aware there is not another similar liked to the HBC site. It's a shame really because the one thing that is not on here - and has not been, with one exception - is abusive, foul, threatening or derogatory language.(other than occaisionally used with asterix)  There may have been some at one time...but I've not seen it. There's certainly a spot of anarchy, a double-entrendre or two and a tendency to break "rules" - but nothing that would shock an average 14 year old.

There is - most importantly - a breadth & depth of topics which for anyone joining is far more interesting than anything to be found on a local govt site....the problem with the HBC master is that he/she has to report to his political bosses before he can post links or get permission to put new topic postings on...that don't happen with a site such as this...it can fire off in any direction and is far more responsive to whatever is happening out there in the wider world.

It's their loss, antway, Happy - not ours.

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Well said Tea. Sure happy will agree and anyone else come to that.  :D

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Well, ive just read the entire topic from start to finish.  I must say thats there's alot to digest (and I not talking about what you think Tealeaf-Anne-Happyone!).

Personally ive stopped posting on the site these days, as have a number of people that i used to log on with, for various reasons.

Im not going to go into them and start of the arguments/debate again but all I want to say is that if we all want this forum to get back on track and return to those days when New Topics where being posted on a regular basis, we must take a second to think about what we are posting and ask if this really relevant?!?

By the way - who actually cares whether we are on Hynburn Borough Councils Links Section or not? It's there loss not ours.

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well i just thought i would pop in and see what i have been missing...............obviously not much!! i've been through a few boards and the insulting and sarcasm still outnumbers the serious posts!
you are on this thread going on about the severed link and posting your views and you are still posting insults on other boards!i dont post on here much anymore because the boards just got full of rubbish,when i joined the site i was never off it,but then it got to the stage where i thought is it really worth all the posting when people are getting at you and messing with serious threads!yes i got angry,yes i used bad language and maybe i contributed to the link getting severed but i wasn't on my own..........
(YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHO YOU ARE)

The link has been severed and you should hold your hands up and say yes i contributed to this happening,and learn from this action that hbc has taken!

end of soapbox!!

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Just out of interest - what was the exact date the link was severed?