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Royboy39 05-06-2008 22:46

The enemy within
 
Can we have a mouse over link to the ones who post negative Karma without leaving a name?
These members who have got sufficient points to leave Karma should be identified.

WillowTheWhisp 05-06-2008 22:49

Re: The enemy within
 
Knnowing Roy's feelings about Karma I can't see that one going down well.

Bonnyboy 05-06-2008 23:12

Re: The enemy within
 
There has been quite a few threads bad karma related. Good karma, bad karma….at the end of the day it can’t be spent at the shops.

Realise folk get peeved being left negative comments, if they had the power of their convictions they would sign it. Its just the way people are.

cashman 05-06-2008 23:26

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 587978)
Can we have a mouse over link to the ones who post negative Karma without leaving a name?
These members who have got sufficient points to leave Karma should be identified.

why whats the big deal?:confused:

BERNADETTE 05-06-2008 23:39

Re: The enemy within
 
As you can't spend it why bother?

cherokee 05-06-2008 23:41

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 587978)
Can we have a mouse over link to the ones who post negative Karma without leaving a name?
These members who have got sufficient points to leave Karma should be identified.


WHY?????:confused:

steeljack 06-06-2008 00:13

Re: The enemy within
 
I can never remember to who or why I gave it anyway (it's only the good stuff) , a spur of the moment thing , most times I click on it , it says to spread it around .

cashman 06-06-2008 00:17

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 588057)
I can never remember to who or why I gave it anyway (it's only the good stuff) , a spur of the moment thing , most times I click on it , it says to spread it around .

now thats always been my motto, spread it around.:D

BERNADETTE 06-06-2008 00:23

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 588059)
now thats always been my motto, spread it around.:D

Hope you ain't gone off on a thread wander here Cashy:p

lancsdave 06-06-2008 06:11

Re: The enemy within
 
Not sure about a mouse over link, surely something so serious and life threatening should be treated by tagging and curfews :confused:

derekgas 06-06-2008 07:15

Re: The enemy within
 
If you help someone on here, most give karma as a gesture of thanks, if you upset people, or wind them up, some give negative karma, thats how it works and is just a hidden way of having a go back, I have had both, but mostly good, and some of them are not signed, the bad is never signed, we all take notice of it, but very few actually worry about it.

WillowTheWhisp 06-06-2008 07:22

Re: The enemy within
 
The only time it bugs me is when the comment doesn't make sense and I don't know who left it in order to clarify what they are on about.

Margaret Pilkington 06-06-2008 07:52

Re: The enemy within
 
Karma floats Roys boat...he likes all the wrangles over it...so I guess he'll be chuckling right now.
Karma.....I give it if I have found something to be funny, or if something has enlightened me, uplifted me, or educated me.......I sign my Karma.......and have only once given negative Karma......it wasn't given because I disagreed with the point of view(I would never deny someone their right to an opinion...as I don't expect anyone to deny ME that right)but was given for the unintelligible way the post was worded.

lancsdave 06-06-2008 07:57

Re: The enemy within
 
If I was constantly picking up fines for speeding, should I blame the system for vicitimising me or should I look at the way I drive ;)

Royboy39 06-06-2008 09:48

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 588096)
Karma floats Roys boat...he likes all the wrangles over it...so I guess he'll be chuckling right now.

Yep...........another day....clean sheet of paper.....Rum worn off, not forgetting the Diet Coke.....lovely sunny day overlooking the Med.
Good Karma.......:hothothot

cashman 06-06-2008 11:06

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 588090)
If you help someone on here, most give karma as a gesture of thanks, if you upset people, or wind them up, some give negative karma, thats how it works and is just a hidden way of having a go back, I have had both, but mostly good, and some of them are not signed, the bad is never signed, we all take notice of it, but very few actually worry about it.

yeh obviously have not had bad off me then.:D

panther 06-06-2008 12:29

Re: The enemy within
 
It dont bother me getting bad karma, i like getting green and red boxes:D, i just wish sometimes that they would be ballsy enough to leave thier name:rolleyes:



in the end its only for fun!:D;)

shillelagh 06-06-2008 15:52

Re: The enemy within
 
Just a question for the mods ....

If a thread gets deleted does the negative karma go with it? I know if it gets deleted the good karma goes ... but seeing as a thread got deleted and id been given negative karma for it why have i still got the negative karma?

Just asking

Mick 07-06-2008 05:33

Re: The enemy within
 
you have answered your own question if a thread is deleted the bad karma is not deleted

WillowTheWhisp 07-06-2008 07:15

Re: The enemy within
 
OOer so how come the good karma goes but the bad karma stays?


:D don't you just love a karma thread? It's almost as much fun as the feedback threads on eBay!

Mick 07-06-2008 07:17

Re: The enemy within
 
i think the good karma stays too

WillowTheWhisp 07-06-2008 07:29

Re: The enemy within
 
Oh right, Jen seems to think it goes. Maybe she's had an experience. Or maybe it's just the post count that goes and in some cases that affects the rep power if the post tipped you over the brink.

Neil 07-06-2008 08:16

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 588092)
The only time it bugs me is when the comment doesn't make sense and I don't know who left it in order to clarify what they are on about.

I tried to give you some confusing nonsense good karma but I have to spread it. I will try and confuse you as soon as it will let me :D

garinda 07-06-2008 10:31

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mick (Post 588769)
i think the good karma stays too

It does. It just says N/A, instead of which thread it was in.:D

onlyme 07-06-2008 10:32

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by panther (Post 588214)
It dont bother me getting bad karma, i like getting green and red boxes:D, i just wish sometimes that they would be ballsy enough to leave thier name:rolleyes:



in the end its only for fun!:D;)

I;m the same, i dont know why people dont leave names with bad karma, its hardly like i'm going to hunt them down..... well not much

And its funny, karma on here isnt like life or death, but its still bugs me no end when i get negative!!!

cashman 07-06-2008 11:07

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 588821)
I;m the same, i dont know why people dont leave names with bad karma, its hardly like i'm going to hunt them down..... well not much

And its funny, karma on here isnt like life or death, but its still bugs me no end when i get negative!!!

used to with me way back, now i just laugh n put some comment to bug em more, cos ya can usually sus who it was.:D;)

lancsdave 07-06-2008 11:51

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 588821)
ts hardly like i'm going to hunt them down..... well not much

Sadly there are some who take it seriously enough to do that :rolleyes:

derekgas 07-06-2008 11:52

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 588188)
yeh obviously have not had bad off me then.:D

No I havnt cashy, and wouldnt expect it being as you normally talk sense, and it is usually the ones talking nonsense who dish out the bad karma. hehe.

jaysay 07-06-2008 13:18

Re: The enemy within
 
Be quite honest up to a few months ago I hadn't a clue how to give Karma I had to ask Jen when she sent out nasty PMs over the Grand National Sweep, wouldn't even know if somebody as sent be neg Karma anyway:confused:

shillelagh 15-06-2008 17:27

Re: The enemy within
 
I dont send out nasty pm's ....:D:D:D

jambutty 09-09-2008 13:47

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 587978)
Can we have a mouse over link to the ones who post negative Karma without leaving a name?
These members who have got sufficient points to leave Karma should be identified.

I would support such a move or any move that identifies the person making an award of either type. The Rep Power value (an unfortunate choice of description) means little to me, although some people seem to think that with a high RP they can do what they like with impunity.

Good manners decree that when being given a gift you should thank the giver. You can’t do that if you don’t know who the giver was.

Anonymous and often derogatory or vile comments accompanying a negative award are akin to getting an anonymous poison pen letter in the mail.

There are forum rules about abusing members or posting insulting or nasty posts (not that they seem to be enforced) and a facility to report them.

A comment is to all intents and purposes like a post in the forum except that it is private so we should have a means of identifying the poster.

No reasonable person could object to being able to identify who makes Karma awards and the comments that accompany them.

WillowTheWhisp 09-09-2008 16:02

Re: The enemy within
 
One thing I really wish we could do with karma is control the value that we give. It just goes with the value of the Rep Power at present so someone with a higher rep power gives a higher donation but is still limited to the number of people it can be given to. would prefer to be able to share it out to more people. If someone makes a really offensive comment in a karma 'award' I think it should be possible to report it to the mods because I agree that it does seem to be against the spirit of the forum rules.

garinda 09-09-2008 17:29

Re: The enemy within
 
Roy, the owner of this forum, has stated umpteen times that he likes the karma system, just as it is.

I do wish people would just learn to live with it, or if they can't, do one.

cashman 09-09-2008 17:56

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 629143)
Roy, the owner of this forum, has stated umpteen times that he likes the karma system, just as it is.

I do wish people would just learn to live with it, or if they can't, do one.

some people have heard this umpteen times n still do neither.:rolleyes:

jambutty 09-09-2008 21:18

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 629143)
Roy, the owner of this forum, has stated umpteen times that he likes the karma system, just as it is.

I do wish people would just learn to live with it, or if they can't, do one.

I’ve been reading several threads on the Karma and the anonymous comments issue and not one single thread contained a post from Roy to say the he likes the Karma system as it is.

I have also skimmed through all 20 pages of Roy’s posts and haven’t found any mention of Roy liking the Karma system as it is. Of course I could have missed it.

Maybe you would be kind enough to guide me to where this pearl of wisdom has been published.

By the way – do one what?

shakermaker 09-09-2008 21:21

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 629251)
Maybe you would be kind enough to guide me to where this pearl of wisdom has been published.

Through Mick and Len's posts as Roy can't always post. Simple really.
I would've thought that you had a thick enough skin to let fripperous things such as karma comments go over your head. There are bigger things to worry about.

garinda 09-09-2008 21:26

Re: The enemy within
 
Perhaps we should have a competition, to see which karma comment produdes the biggest tearful tantrum?

:D

BERNADETTE 09-09-2008 21:32

Re: The enemy within
 
Why do we need to know every time somebody gets red karma?:confused: Am sure that if abusive comments were reported to the mods they would deal with it. Just don't see any need to keep bringing it onto the site!!!

garinda 09-09-2008 21:38

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 629263)
Am sure that if abusive comments were reported to the mods they would deal with it.

That information has been made public knowledge countless time.

If a karma comment breaks forum rules, report it to a mod, who will deal with it.

That's not enough of a public fuss for some attention seekers.

They like to make a big song and dance about it, and stamp their little feet.

jambutty 09-09-2008 21:49

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 629254)
Through Mick and Len's posts as Roy can't always post. Simple really.
I would've thought that you had a thick enough skin to let fripperous things such as karma comments go over your head. There are bigger things to worry about.

Are you garinda’s secretary?

I ask because my post was in response to garinda’s post and the question was posed to him and he clearly stated, “Roy, the owner of this forum, has stated umpteen times that he likes the karma system, just as it is.” There was nothing about Mick or Len.

I am thick skinned but others are not and my point is not on my behalf but on the behalf of others, who in other threads have complained about the vicious, vile and disgusting anonymous comments received.

Be a good lackey and get your boss to answer my posts would you.

jambutty 09-09-2008 21:54

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 629263)
Why do we need to know every time somebody gets red karma?:confused: Am sure that if abusive comments were reported to the mods they would deal with it. Just don't see any need to keep bringing it onto the site!!!

As I stated earlier, “No reasonable person could object to being able to identify who makes Karma awards and the comments that accompany them.

So I reason that those who do, do so because it would queer their pitch.

jambutty 09-09-2008 21:56

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 629268)
That information has been made public knowledge countless time.

If a karma comment breaks forum rules, report it to a mod, who will deal with it.

That's not enough of a public fuss for some attention seekers.

They like to make a big song and dance about it, and stamp their little feet.

Read post #55.

shakermaker 09-09-2008 22:09

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 629276)
Are you garinda’s secretary?

I ask because my post was in response to garinda’s post and the question was posed to him and he clearly stated, “Roy, the owner of this forum, has stated umpteen times that he likes the karma system, just as it is.” There was nothing about Mick or Len.

I am thick skinned but others are not and my point is not on my behalf but on the behalf of others, who in other threads have complained about the vicious, vile and disgusting anonymous comments received.

Be a good lackey and get your boss to answer my posts would you.

First of all, I thought you never started dishing out insults? That you only responded when others insulted you? You bleat on about it often enough. So - I'm working off your theory now - seeing as you started the insults I can retort in a like manner. Your post has showed that you are a rude, vile, petulant being.

Secondly, you didn't send a PM to garinda asking him alone where he got his information, you posted the question on an open forum and therefore put the question out to everyone reading the thread.

Finally, who do you think you are to presume that others cannot defend themselves against karma comments? Are you the caped crusader of AccyWeb? I think not.
Crawl back in your hole.

garinda 09-09-2008 22:38

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 629276)
Are you garinda’s secretary?

I ask because my post was in response to garinda’s post and the question was posed to him and he clearly stated, “Roy, the owner of this forum, has stated umpteen times that he likes the karma system, just as it is.” There was nothing about Mick or Len.

I am thick skinned but others are not and my point is not on my behalf but on the behalf of others, who in other threads have complained about the vicious, vile and disgusting anonymous comments received.

Be a good lackey and get your boss to answer my posts would you.

I've sympathised when you felt you had to share some of the karma comments with the rest of the forum.

I, and others, have told you to report them to the moderators, if those comments are offensive, and they will be dealt with.

Sadly you lost all credibility, and certainly any respect, when you decided to post on a family forum, what is to all extent and purposes a private message, the most obscene, especially to women, four letter word, albeit with a space between the middle letters.

That was a disgrace, when we have children as active members on this forum.

I would have deducted karma, signed, for that, but sadly was unable to, because I'd recently given you some karma for your garden thread.

Luckliy for you it is Roy, and not myself, who owns this site, because for posting that disgusting four letter word you would have been banned for life.:(

garinda 09-09-2008 22:45

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 629294)

I would have deducted karma, signed, for that, but sadly was unable to, abecause I'd recently given you some karma for your garden thread.

Strangely I can't remember any teary posts about unsigned karma when I gave that.

Perhaps it's only the negative stuff that illicits tantrums?

Happily when I get the red stuff I'm savvy enough not to make a big fuss about it publicly, which I suspect is what the person who gave it would love to see, but some people are just too dim to understand that concept.

garinda 09-09-2008 22:51

Re: The enemy within
 
My last comment in this thread is that with all the terrible things that are happening in the world, children dying of starvation etc., is that some people must have very empty and sad little lives, if worrying about this silly karma system is all they have to occupy their time.:(

jambutty 09-09-2008 22:59

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 629287)
First of all, I thought you never started dishing out insults? That you only responded when others insulted you? You bleat on about it often enough. So - I'm working off your theory now - seeing as you started the insults I can retort in a like manner. Your post has showed that you are a rude, vile, petulant being.

Secondly, you didn't send a PM to garinda asking him alone where he got his information, you posted the question on an open forum and therefore put the question out to everyone reading the thread.

Finally, who do you think you are to presume that others cannot defend themselves against karma comments? Are you the caped crusader of AccyWeb? I think not.
Crawl back in your hole.

What insults are those? The one that asks if you were garinda’s secretary? Or the bit about being a lackey? Not an insult but a description of your perceived relationship with garinda. Now if I had called you a stupid lackey THAT would have been an insult.

In any case it was you who poked your nose in to answer a question asked of garinda.

Oh you forgot disgusting, stupid old goat and oh you work it out for yourself.

My post quoted garinda’s post and was thus addressed to him and it asked him a question. If nothing else common courtesy decrees that if someone is asked a question you at least give them the opportunity of answering before shoving your oar in.

Go and read all the various threads about karma like I have done and you will read much about people being very unhappy with anonymous comments. You jumped in uninvited to answer a question directed at garinda and that’s OK. But it’s not OK if I speak up for people who have stated their displeasure at anonymous comments.

Finally – which hole would that be?

shakermaker 09-09-2008 23:12

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 629308)
What insults are those? The one that asks if you were garinda’s secretary? Or the bit about being a lackey? Not an insult but a description of your perceived relationship with garinda. Now if I had called you a stupid lackey THAT would have been an insult.

Lackey is an insult and you know it. Don't play dumb, an elderly man shouldn't act in such a way, you're supposed to be the wisest of us all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 629308)
My post quoted garinda’s post and was thus addressed to him and it asked him a question. If nothing else common courtesy decrees that if someone is asked a question you at least give them the opportunity of answering before shoving your oar in.

Go and read all the various threads about karma like I have done and you will read much about people being very unhappy with anonymous comments. You jumped in uninvited to answer a question directed at garinda and that’s OK. But it’s not OK if I speak up for people who have stated their displeasure at anonymous comments.

Goodness you're like a difficult child. If you don't want anyone else to answer a question then send a private message, that's what they are for. Otherwise it's an open forum. Simple.
Everyone knows how the karma system works. If a comment is offensive then report it. Episode over. There's absolutely no need for countless rants on the subject from pseudo-revolutionaries such as yourself.

jambutty 09-09-2008 23:13

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 629294)
I've sympathised when you felt you had to share some of the karma comments with the rest of the forum.

I, and others, have told you to report them to the moderators, if those comments are offensive, and they will be dealt with.

Sadly you lost all credibility, and certainly any respect, when you decided to post on a family forum, what is to all extent and purposes a private message, the most obscene, especially to women, four letter word, albeit with a space between the middle letters.

That was a disgrace, when we have children as active members on this forum.

I would have deducted karma, signed, for that, but sadly was unable to, because I'd recently given you some karma for your garden thread.

Luckliy for you it is Roy, and not myself, who owns this site, because for posting that disgusting four letter word you would have been banned for life.:(

I have reported disgusting anonymous comments in the past and I am still waiting for a response.

I did not use thinly disguised foul language. What I did was quote what someone else had stated.

So seeing as we have children on this forum you will have reported all the swearing that goes on and the odd thinly disguised foul language. I doubt it very much.

Believe me garinda if it was you who owned this forum I would have left long ago.

jambutty 09-09-2008 23:22

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 629312)
Lackey is an insult and you know it. Don't play dumb, an elderly man shouldn't act in such a way, you're supposed to be the wisest of us all.



Goodness you're like a difficult child. If you don't want anyone else to answer a question then send a private message, that's what they are for. Otherwise it's an open forum. Simple.
Everyone knows how the karma system works. If a comment is offensive then report it. Episode over. There's absolutely no need for countless rants on the subject from pseudo-revolutionaries such as yourself.

If you perceive lackey to be an insult then I would suggest that you look up the meaning of the word. It means servant. A secretary is a servant and s/he attends to the secretarial needs of the boss. Those needs include answering questions.

By shoving your oar in you put yourself in the position of answering questions directed at someone else.

Thanks for that. I’ve never considered myself wise. Knowledgeable to a degree but never wise.

shakermaker 09-09-2008 23:36

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 629318)
If you perceive lackey to be an insult then I would suggest that you look up the meaning of the word. It means servant. A secretary is a servant and s/he attends to the secretarial needs of the boss. Those needs include answering questions.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of making it clear that lackey is indeed an insult.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 629318)
By shoving your oar in you put yourself in the position of answering questions directed at someone else.

Again - if you didn't want anyone else to answer it you should've sent a private message. You cannot avoid that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 629318)
Thanks for that. I’ve never considered myself wise. Knowledgeable to a degree but never wise.

I said that you are supposed to be wise. If indeed wisdom is related to age. Special emphasis on the words supposed to be.

WillowTheWhisp 10-09-2008 08:19

Re: The enemy within
 
I'm going to risk an insult now by jumping in here and just pointing something out which perhaps Garinda is not aware of as he wasn't there at the time. The day the Stag closed down a few of us were there (Roy nearly set the place on fire but that's another story) chatting about this and that and the other and the subject of karma came up. Roy stated there, in person, with several of us present, that he likes the system exactly the way it is and he will not be doing anything to change it. He had mentioned to me privately once that if he had time he would look into the possibility of splitting the amount of awardable karma but he will not change the anonymity. If you get an insulting, offensive or defamatory remark in a karma comment it should be reported to mods, not posted on the open forum, likewise with PMs. They are private and intended to remain private and they should stay that way.

I do sometimes query a negative karma when the comment that goes along with it doesn't seem to make a ha'porth of sense in relation to the post it links to. I do so in the hope that the person who gave it may explain their logic, but they never do. Of course if they did then that would remove the anonymity which they are perfectly entitled to

emamum 10-09-2008 11:29

Re: The enemy within
 
how many more times are we going to have the same argument? its getting very very tedious now.

NO THE KARMA SYSTEM WILL NOT BE CHANGED BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE IT!!!


get the idea now?

EDIT:my pc is playing up, i didnt see your reply Willow and my post is not aimed at you.......

Less 10-09-2008 11:34

Re: The enemy within
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 629419)

NO THE KARMA SYSTEM WILL NOT BE CHANGED BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE IT!!!


Did you mean?

NO THE KARMA SYSTEM WILL NOT BE CHANGED just BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE IT!!!

Otherwise the Butt might think Roy is getting at him and we don't want that, do we?
:o

emamum 10-09-2008 11:34

Re: The enemy within
 
yeah, cant have the bully being bullied can we?


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