Editing and deleting posts.
 

Noticed that quite a few posts have been deleted this evening.

True, strictly speaking some posts will have gone off the subject of the thread title, and thus they did break forum rules, and therefore they can quite rightly be deleted.

However, I could point out thousands of similar posts on the forum, which have also veered off topic, but they remain on site.

Some of the deleted posts may have exhibited, or at least attempted a stab at humour.

Is this seen as going off thread?

Might be an idea if the reasons why some posts are deleted, and some aren't, are given. Then hopefully people will know how to avoid this happening.

If arbitrary deletion, in which some posts are deleted, and similar posts remain untouched, continues, it might deter some people from bothering to post at all, because it becomes a bit of a lottery if their post does, or doesn't remain.

Which would result in the forum becoming very sluggish, in my opinion.

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Know what yer saying, can't reply or twill be deleted.:rolleyes:

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There is a difference between being off topic, which as you know happens a lot and is usually left untouched and posts that are just argumentative and insulting each other.

Do you think those type of posts should be left on?

Re: Deep Fried Worms & Snot Cake
 

Appears my answering post has vanished

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I have removed a lot of posts that were just argumentative and plain insulting. It was a toss up between removing posts and removing the whole thread.

I apologise for not cleaning up this thread sooner but I have been busy the last few days and not been online much.

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this is getting ridiculous IMHO.:(

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If you only remove certain posts, people get a one sided opinion, sureley it's better to remove whole thread then it's not quite as biased.

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My post was far from argumentative or insulting. But as you are the mod will have to abide by your decision to delete it.

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No, and as Cashman hinted I don't want to criticise any moderators, because that too would break forum rules.

However quite honestly I'm struggling to see any logic, in deciding which posts are deleted, and which remain untouched.

I'll state as fact that some recently deleted posts, although like thousands of others may have veered off topic, were definitely not 'argumentative and insulting'. Certainly no more so than posts that remain in the heavily edited thread. Including at least one post in the hacked thread, which could be argued contains at least two insults aimed at other members. Some of those deleted would have been seen as attempting humour, at least in the eyes of most people.

Rules should not be applied on a whim, willy-nilly, and in an arbitrary fashion.

Well they can be.

But as stated earlier, people wouldn't want to play a lottery game for long. Guessing if their very similar posts might, or might not be deleted.

I'm genuinely not criticising anyone.

Just trying to make sense of something that to me shows very little logic.

I've always had the utmost respect for the way this site is moderated, but this editing baffles me.

As in any society, if the law is deemed to be unfair, people soon get fed up.

A few might remain, a few might protest. Most will simply go elsewhere.

So we can learn from this, I'm more than happy if my own deleted posts are reproduced here, with an explanation as to why each needed removing, whilst similar are allowed to remain.

I'm sure all members would then know what to avoid, so as to create less work for the moderators.

Re: Deep Fried Worms & Snot Cake
 

And your going to lay back and take it.........:eek:

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Nothing I can do but abide by a mods decision whether I agree with it or not:( Think most members will have got the gist of how one of our esteemed members can get away with insulting just about everyone as they so please without warning:(

Re: Editing and deleting posts.
 

OK, let’s pretend that I’m thick. Is this or is this not a discussion board?

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If there's a situation in which people think rules aren't being applied across the board, and are applied to some cases, and not to others, that's when accusations od fairness and credibility arise.

Again, not being critical. I want clarity, so myself, and hopefully others can learn, and we won't fall foul of rule breaking again.

Re: Deep Fried Worms & Snot Cake
 

Not always as simple as that.
The original post was a perfectly sensible post. Many of the following posts were just comments on other threads and insults between members.

Maybe I should have just left the original post and no others.

Re: Deep Fried Worms & Snot Cake
 

Not true at all. You can PM me any time and discuss anything you want. I will reply as soon as I can.


I moderate as fairly as I can and will remove posts I think need removing no matter who has posted them.

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So as not to start another unnecessary thread, I did search, to see if I could just add my comments to an old thread, seeking similar clarification.

I did find a thread started by your good self, which asked similar questions, but it was in the footy section. Hence, new thread.

:p

Re: Deep Fried Worms & Snot Cake
 

Now that is just a troll post like the ones you complained about in Stanley section and have been removed.

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What about your rights......:)

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It is not "so clean all the time" but a couple of the rules are below


They also say this

But I think we appear to have a problem that we should discuss so if it can be kept sensible I think we should try and discuss it.

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Again, I feel this needs clarifying.

I saw posts had been deleted by a number of members this evening.

The only moderators that are showing as having been online in the last twenty four hours are Stanleymad, who I always assume just moderates the Stanley section, and Mick. Last showing as being online on the forum early mornings, as he normally is.

Why should anyone have thought to pm you?

I know the site as well as most members, but had no idea who had deleted the posts. I assumed it was Stanleymad, as she's the only mod showing as having been online. Though that would have seemed odd, and out of character, if it had been Stanleymad.

I am genuinely failing to see any logic in how these rules have been applied.

There's more I'd like to be able to say, but not wanting to break forum rules, and risk my voice being silenced, I shall air on the side of caution.

Re: Editing and deleting posts.
 

Sorry if this thread now looks a little confusing but I have removed all the posts from the thread that started this discussion and put them into this one so as not to make the other thread off topic - if that makes sense.

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You can PM any mod to ask a question. I get emails telling me I have a PM and try to respond asap, these come to my phone same as reports straight away which is why you often get a fast response to reports.

I am showing as offline at the moment because I noticed most of these annoying spammers appear to register/post when no mods are online and I have been deleting quite a few recently. One posted spam tonight but I deleted it almost straight away.

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I've read the rules many times.

Thank you.

Even though, since this new discussion has started here, and the hacked thread has since been editited further, it is a plain fact that some deleted threads this evening were neither 'argumentative and plain insulting', and until the subject was broached here, at least one post remained untouched, which similarly could be said to be plainly insulting to a named member, and could be said to be rude and offensive to others in general.

As stated, please feel free to reproduce all my own deleted threads, giving the reason they were deleted. To serve as an illustration to others. So we may learn from our grave mistakes, and never attempt humourous posts again.

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If anyone would like to make any comments but do not want to post in an open thread but wants to do it privately and in confidence please PM me

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If I think the only moderator who could possibly help me understand my mistake, was Stanleymad, because it appeared it could only have been her that had edited/deleted the post, then lots of newer members have no chance.

Moderators names appear in heavy black type in the list at the bottom of the page, for those who mightn't know, and who might need to contact one, by the way.

I'm a stickler for playing fair, and trying to abide by the rules, and this has left me very disillusioned, to say the least. It seems very heavy handed, illogical, and in the most, totally unnecessary.

That's the forum.

They are the rules.

I guess I can like it or lump it.

Or I might just not give quite as much of my effort as normal, tryinging to be interesting, and gasp, sometimes even humourous.

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Call it instinct, or the fact that I'm not actually deaf to actual whispers, but it seems there's all kinds of shenanigans going off backstage, and this to me appears to sometimes spill over onto the forum itself.

If my suspicions are right, they're rarely wrong, that to me seems deplorable, and the beginning of the end, for what can be a very lively forum.

That's my last post on this matter.

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The report button sends a message to all mods and can always be used and is probably the best way to get a response quickly as one of us will pick it up soon

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Hate going back on my word, but hey ho....

As an example of how posting now seems a bit of a lottery, and rules applied in an arbitrary manner, it seems almost on a whim, I'd like to draw attention to this...

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...y-46638-5.html

A thread in which similar (humorous) insults were flying about, but instread of being deleted, prompted this post...

Quite honestly I cannot see the logic in how some posts now face deletion, whilst others remain untouched.

It seems almost whimsical, in whether the rules are strictly adhered to and executed, or not.

Can the difference please be explained?

So we can learn how to avoid all this in the future.

Thanks.

Re: Editing and deleting posts.
 

Editing and the deletion of posts is at the mods discretion
so will change depending which mod is on site at the time
if you have a problem over this you should report it or pm one of the mods
not go against site rules and put it on site.
having said this the mod who edits or deletes a post should also pm the member with an explanation of the reasons for the action.

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That would have been helpful, in knowing why, and how this was different from other posts, and was therefore deleted, but didn't happen.

I honestly didn't know who had deleted the posts, from checking who'd been online, so didn't know who to pm, to air my thoughts.

Thanks.

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in this case just report it and it will be picked up on by all the mods and sorted

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There have been many times that a certain member on here has been down right insulting.......and in more than one thread.......whether the mods have noticed it or not, nothing has been done about it(maybe because the post has not been reported).......well from now on when I spot this person being insulting or abusive, I am going to hit that 'report' button. I hope that the same kind of justice will be meted out, and his attitude will not be treated like it is a joke.

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Please do Margaret

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To be quite honest Its very rare I press the report button, its usually to report spam. I know that sometimes threads get out of hand but I live in the word if you put your head above the parapet you expect to be shot at, the only thing I try to refrain from is bad language, something which seems very tolerable on Facebook

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Personally dont think thats a good idea! fer me if someone feels personally insulted/offended then that member should get off there arse n report it themselves, aint hard/aint rocket science, then a mod can decide if justified or not. dont report anyone that insults me please margaret, i can take care of meself.;) if individual members did as i suggest, surely it would make the mods job easier? save trawling through every post, thing is wi the written word all of us are different, some view a thing as offensive, others the same thing as banter, everyone has a different sense of humour,whats happening at the moment fer whatever reason, aint doin accyweb any favours, just my 2 cents.

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Thanks cashy couldn't have put it better myself, in total agreement:mosher:

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Cashy I know that you can stick up for yourself........and would not dream to presume when you had been insulted.(insults come in many forms and some members appear to be much more tolerant than others)

The person I am referring to, seems to mainly have a go at females with snide comments and uses ridicule........and while this may not be seen as abuse, it actually is.

I think the mods do a tremendous job, and we should all really be moderating our own posts to a great degree........and I like to think that in the main we do, but when members post something purely to get a rise out of members and 'wind them up'(even in an innocuous thread) as this person puts it......then that is trolling........and I will say so. It isn't an opinion, it is fact.

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Totally agree & if ever I am insulted I think I can find the werewithall to deal with it myself, either in a post or through the mod system.
I'm sure the females that come on here can look after themselves & need no preferential treatment.

No it isn't fact, it is your opinion, something I doubt that anyone could stop you from expressing here or in real life.

We all set ourselves up at times to be knocked down by some other poster, that is part of the whole ethos of this type of thing.

If you can't stand the heat, etc.
:)

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Yes, Less most of the females on here can look after themselves and will come back with a response, but that doesn't mean they have to put up with the nasty comments and snide remarks that this person posts(and it isn't you, by the way).

And as for trolling.......Trolling is the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet, generally on message boards.......not my opinion , but an internet site definition....unless of course you meant that it was my opinion that the person in question, was trolling....in that case, yes it was, but with good evidence from past posts in a variety of threads, to a variety of people.

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I have said this before and I will say it again. This is a public discussion forum where people can post their opinions on a wide range of subjects this in turn prompts other users to post their own opinions on the same subject (not exactly a hard concept to grasp!) this by its very nature promotes debate on said subject and as every person is different then every opinion is therefore also different and thus you therefore naturally end up with several people expressing several differing opinions ergo an argument! should therefore all threads with more than one differing opinion be removed in the interests of abiding by the rules I put forth exhibit A) an example of a rather lengthy argument which started as a simple post on a completely different subject which became offensive and abusive towards one forum member however remained completely unmoderated. http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...hat-45960.html As has been said before the same rules apply to all or not at all the process of moderation can neither be selective nor prejudicial, it must be completely impartial and consistant in all cases.

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just had a further thought on this subject - a recent thread of mine was deleted from the forum and as you say a message was sent by the mod responsible however when I replied with a reasonable challenge to this decision on the grounds that the thread was no different to several other threads and posts on the forum I am still awaiting a response several weeks later. seems that the one rule for one and another rule for another still applies and there seems to be a flaw in the system of following correct forum procedures.

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If that was me Matt I am sorry I did not get back to you but I don't remember it.
I try to treat everyone the same, yes I have friends on here and a few people I don't like but I don't believe that changes how I moderate.

I agree we do leave some posts that are off topic as they can add to the discussion. It's when a thread goes off straight away or gets nasty that it needs sorting out.

I suspect that the posters of most of the posts I deleted knew they were bad posts and half expected them to be removed.

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You had me until the very last sentence.

No I did not think they were 'bad posts'. Certainly no more 'bad' than thousands of others on here.

So no, I didn't 'half expect' them to be removed. Especially as you'd left one post intact in which a member had been rude to another named member, Bernadtte, and others members in general.

So no. I wasn't 'half expecting' it.

I honestly didn't know who was responsible at the time. It just seemed arbitrary, and illogical.

If I had known it was you, I'd still think exactly the same way. Though I certainly wouldn't have taken it personally, as you and I consider friends.

It just didn't make any sense at all.

I'll ask again, in order that I don't risk having more posts deleted.

How is this thread different from the one you decided needed hacking last night? Certainly my own posts are of a very similar tone.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ccy-46638.html

This apparently you found amusing, rather than wanting to delete.

Can you please explain the difference, so it's clear to us, the members.

Rules should be applied equally, otherwise accusations of bias could arise, and this needs clarifying.

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As already stated, they, like you can look after themselves, no need for special protection, (from insults), or is this yet another sub context of equality we men will have to put up with?

Play the game as do the others, don't get sexist just 'cos he/she/it does.

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...and I do think peoples' non-forum lives have been allowed to spill over on to Accy Web. Which is very wrong.

:mad:

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Not wrong, natural, people do tend to drag 'real world' into this little bit of hyperspace, perhaps, (and by no means is this a form of criticism), you, perhaps, mean, those with authority should take a step back and not allow a mixture of the two when jumping to their own conclusions?
:o

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No, indeed it isn't a sub context of equality that you men have to put up with......as you so finely remarked earlier if you can't stand the heat......

And as far as playing the game.......please tell me where I haven't played the game, as you call it.

I simply stated that the person in question was male, and seemed to take some pleasure in having a go at some female members on here, using snide comments, personal insults and ridicule as their tool of abuse.

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And we men don't have to put up with the same, from this unnamed person?
Nor do we men have to put up with snide remarks from gentlepersons of the female persuasion?
Come on, get real, this is about chat, just as in a real conversation, we don't all say what is liked by all and we don't all enjoy what is said by some, but surely the sterner stuff is what you are made of?
You don't need me to point this out? Or if you do, the phrase, 'get a life', springs to mind, (Personal announcement, the use of the term 'get a life' is not aimed at anyone living or dead, male or female fictional or none fictional, it is only aimed at those, (and is inclusive,(by inclusive I am including myself)), that have to come on to an imaginary site and moan about some fictional way that they, (or others,(or not others as is your personal preference)), are being unfairly treated.

God I hate the P.C. brigade, I remember when accyweb had no rules and a person only stayed because they gave as good as they got!

Whining B's.
Even that's no good we have a swear checker 1000% better than Jaysays spell checker no fun anymore.
:D

Re: Deep Fried Worms & Snot Cake
 

Right to reply as my name is brought up, im online i show online so available to moderate if actions need doing and another moderator hasnt got there 1st and if offline i isnt moderating cos im not on accyweb:D

If any posts are removed i have decency to inform the person why and any action ive taken are recorded at mod station so any problems are resolved straight away and answerable to my actions, if u havent got a pm, its noted on forum either or!

Doug - re stanley thread i closed it with note & with a pm to the poster causing the problem, you responded on that thread with language [having had warned section so many times for swearing or *'s] the thread was out of hand within minutes of posting, i closed it rather than deleting it straightaway and gave the reasons why, also alerted mod team for any probs that may arise should i be offline.

Hope that clarifies the situation as far as my modding goes and yes im answerable as mod of this site hence my honest reply.

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This happened to me by a councillor of all people .

I imagine he thought he had come up with a great revelation .

Rather childish really , and I just took it as such .

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This is true, she has a direct line to my P.M. box.:D

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OK,enough said. My responses are the red ones......sorry about the colour...I forgot it is rude to write in red.

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You're lucky I get a slap round head :D

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Yes, but you are still smiling.......:)

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AND I hope like me, while you were replying you were smiling, nothing worse than replying no matter how much venom you may feel, if you can't smile whilst doing it.
After all, this is FUN?
;)

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Are you implying there are esteemed members. sounds a bit clicky to me.:D

Would it also depend on the mods mood, or if it upsets him personally or if he feels like getting one up on the poster/s?

I did ask for an explanation as to why this thred was locked but was never answered.:confused:

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...y-56446-3.html

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Of course I was Less.......you wouldn't expect anything less would you?!:D

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I will pm u mr D reason :)

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Thank you.

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Then you can head over to b'burn web, talk to your like minded buddy with no regrets about leaving us?
:)

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Oh your talking about blazey jedi, blazey will cause an argument in an empty room:D

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Yes, true, but the room will eventually talk her around to it's point of view.
:)

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Its a very clever room Less:rolleyes:

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No, it's a very dumb...

The rest of this post has gone through pre-censoring system to remove the need for a mod to delete it.
:o

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You cant get rid of me that easily.:D

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I wasn't really referring to the person in the thread but merely using the thread as an example of how some threads/posts are moderated and others are not, even when distinctly in breach of the forum rules.

in response to Neils post it wasn't you Neil so you can breathe easy. :D

Taking this subject to it's very extreme. Accyweb is advertised as a discussion forum and discussion by it's very nature is an argument. If therefore argumentative posting is prohibited, so in turn is discussion, ergo is Accyweb not in breach of advertising laws?

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Geez it's like court room in here talking of which mods main job is to remove spam and keep the forum ticking over so that it runs smooth and to add a further point in accordance with legalities as this site is paid for by the owner means some discussion or posts can't be permitted other wise no forum!

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Seems so sometimes.

Judge, jury, and executioner rolled into one.

All the crowds outside.

Waiting to see which way the wind's blowing...that particular day.

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precisely! the point is that discussion,debate and argument are all part and parcel of accyweb as is the fact that people's opinions are different and therefore automatically argumentative of each other. So therefore maybe it is the system and the rules that are at fault. However it does not deter from the fact that whatever the rules are they apply to EVERYONE and must be followed by EVERYONE and must be moderated EQUALLY. But as you say stanleymad if the rules were followed to the letter in ALL cases of argumentative behaviour there would be no forum at all. So when does moderation become excessive?

to moderate or not to moderate THAT is the question.

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Who's turn is it to be the executioner this week G:rolleyes:

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Mods don't get paid purely voluntary personally think it's become a witch hunt rather than genuine reasons or constructive help towards end of thread IMHO, this thread alone has broken rule of publically questioning mods, if any other thread/post breaks rules and nothing has been done please use the report button, as we're human and can miss things. Sorry but This thread is now closed and any points raised will be discussed with all moderators.

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The mods contrary to popular views are human too and can make mistakes
we can only do our best.
If you have a problem please use the report button or pm system.
if you don't we might miss something which is quite easy on a big site like this.
we do need your help.
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