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steeljack 15-07-2006 02:47

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I'm trying to remember if there are any statues of anyone in Accrington/Hyndburn, Blackburn has Queen Victoria and Gladstone on the boulevard but I cant think of any in Accy , maybe a war memorial has a 'generic" trooper but any statues anywhere .........

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Gayle 15-07-2006 07:29

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Blackburn has lots of public art now, it's got all the ones on Church St, plus a nice new one in Corporation Park, plus a new proposed one for Sudell Cross as well as the older ones.

Accrington has some nice street furniture and a few limp trees on Broadway.

garinda 15-07-2006 08:06

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Shamefully Accrington has no statues or public works of art (of any merit, besides a bit of industrial machinery artlessly plonked at the side of the council building).

Oswaldtwistle has one of the most critically admired war memorials in the country though.

Madhatter 20-07-2006 09:48

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was gonna say gayle,I saw a rather nice war memorial. Glad people are starting to realise how little you've got in this area compared to your neighbours. even rossendale valley has it's sculpture trail, the water chamber and those rust old bed springs at waterfoot.

garinda 20-07-2006 12:19

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I saw this willow man mentioned on tv programme.


I think it looks fantastic, though I fear if it was in Hyndburn a Brit Ekland look-a-like would have been tied to it and burnt along with the statue.


statue.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/943715.stm

garinda 20-07-2006 12:23

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Also, happily Merseyside are trying to raise money for Gormley's beach people statues at Crosby and stop them going to New York.:)

Gayle 20-07-2006 12:32

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The willow man was done by an artist called Serena De La Hey. Her work is beautiful, she did a presentation to some people up here a few months ago. We'd love to have some of her work in East Lancashire.

The willow man was built once and then burnt down. The local farmers in the area clubbed together to find enough money to have it rebuilt and they then built a moat around it to help protect it - so far so good, it hasn't been burnt down again.

Her work really is beautiful - impressive from a distance but lovely up close because of the detail.

Gayle 20-07-2006 12:33

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Also, happily Merseyside are trying to raise money for Gormley's beach people statues at Crosby and stop them going to New York.:)

I heard that too and I hope they succeed.

garinda 20-07-2006 12:40

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The link in post five tells you more about the artist and her work.

She can put one in my tiny front garden if she wishes.:)

Madhatter 20-07-2006 13:43

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I haven't seen them yet :(

Have the rawtenstall willow sculpture(s) survived.

Tealeaf 20-07-2006 13:55

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Here we go again. I seem to recall there was a thread about a year ago on the dearth of statues/works of art around Accy. There is still nowt. I also recall about a year ago a thread on the utter waste of public money on the so-called Mele in Oakhill Park. Did somone say that last years would be the last?

So now what do we find? None other than our good friend Gayle splattering all over the place the fact that this bash is to occur once again; in other words, another ten grand of public money thrown away on an ethnic knees-up.

I have no poblem with these parties; but surely they should be self-financing. In the meantime, what has been wasted on such events over the last years could have been put to far better use in creating some lasting artwork/sculpture in Accy town centre. With enough to go round, maybe for Church, Ossy, etc as well.

Gayle 20-07-2006 14:40

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf
Here we go again. I seem to recall there was a thread about a year ago on the dearth of statues/works of art around Accy. There is still nowt. I also recall about a year ago a thread on the utter waste of public money on the so-called Mele in Oakhill Park. Did somone say that last years would be the last?

So now what do we find? None other than our good friend Gayle splattering all over the place the fact that this bash is to occur once again; in other words, another ten grand of public money thrown away on an ethnic knees-up.

I have no poblem with these parties; but surely they should be self-financing. In the meantime, what has been wasted on such events over the last years could have been put to far better use in creating some lasting artwork/sculpture in Accy town centre. With enough to go round, maybe for Church, Ossy, etc as well.

Yes, here we go again. The phrase 'broken record' comes to mind.

But in answer to your points Tealeaf - the Mela event has a budget of £13k, we have raised this from the National Lottery so not exactly public money. We applied for the money, explained what it was being used for and were granted it. We went through the same process that any other organisation could go through if they wanted to raise money for an event. HBC have not put any money into the event this year. We try to raise money this way so that they can be free and all inclusive.

As for whether the money could be used for a sculpture for Acc or Osw, well no it can't because we didn't apply for it for that. We have applied for it for a Mela - and btw, it is not HBC or even MPA who has applied for the funding, it is Hyndburn Mela and Community Festival Association who have raised the money for it. By sheer definition of the group's name we're not going to be raising money for a piece of public art we're going to be raising money for Melas.

Tealeaf 20-07-2006 15:09

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Originally Posted by Gayle
we have raised this from the National Lottery so not exactly public money. We applied for the money, explained what it was being used for and were granted it. We went through the same process that any other organisation could go through if they wanted to raise money for an event. HBC have not put any money into the event this year. We try to raise money this way so that they can be free and all inclusive.

My apologies Gayle. Firstly,I was still under the impression that National Lottery funds originate from the public, in spending some of their hard-earned income on lottery tickets. I had no idea that the funds originated elsewhere, in the form of millionaires donations or whatever.

Secondly, I did mention a figure of 10K; somewhat less than 13K. I'm afraid I forgot all about the insurance liability premium that is now neccessary in putting on events such as these..what a shame that so many smaller, unsubsidised charity raisning outdoor events cannot now go ahead because funding is not available to cover the premium.

Thirdly, I forgot to enquire about the splendid legacy that this do will leave. Other than rubbish in the park, I can't think of 'owt. Well, possibly in community relations, where once again an awful lot of people are going to be pretty mad about discriminatory spending on one group of people

No doubt we shall have the same nonsense next year.

Gayle 20-07-2006 19:30

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Yes, the National Lottery is money from the public but it is money that is voluntarily given - not tax. If people are unhappy with the way the money is spent then they should not let their greed get in the way of giving to charity and give the money direct to good causes because let's be honest no one is actually buying a ticket because they're doing someone else good!

Why is funding not available to pay insurance for smaller events? Think you're clutching at straws to use that as a complaint.

As for the legacy, yes, community relations is a factor. But I'm curious about who this 'group of people' is - please explain more who we're discrimating against?

garinda 20-07-2006 22:23

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I'm not funding the Mela.

I've not withheld any taxes, I just chose not to buy any Lottery tickets.

Simple.

As for the long saga of Hyndburn's lack of statues/public works of art, I would expect the salaried members of HBC's art's development office to secure funding, just as other people have for other events, like the Mela.

They could have commissioned a friggin' work of art with the money they've spent on the withering hanging baskets in Ossy alone!

garinda 20-07-2006 22:41

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Gayle 21-07-2006 09:26

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Originally Posted by garinda
As for the long saga of Hyndburn's lack of statues/public works of art, I would expect the salaried members of HBC's art's development office to secure funding, just as other people have for other events, like the Mela.
!

As I've mentioned before they've fired them all off.

garinda 21-07-2006 12:06

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Originally Posted by Gayle
As I've mentioned before they've fired them all off.

They should also 'fire off' the person responsible for HBC's website then, as they have someone called Rebecca Johnson listed as the Arts Development Officer, still on there. Peter Johnson is also listed as Leisure Services Officer (Arts & Tourism.)

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/roundab...Contact_us.htm



Like I said earlier, someone on the council could be securing funding for public art, instead of wasting money on stupid things like bloody hanging baskets which are now dead through lack of foresight in the fact that they may need watering.

Gayle 21-07-2006 12:35

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Rebecca left about three years ago and now works in Blackburn. We've had two other Arts Dev officers since then and the second of those two leaves officially next week but he's only been doing one day a week for about three months.

Neil 21-07-2006 16:10

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dead through lack of foresight in the fact that they may need watering.

I thought of you while I was having my hair cut at Adams :eek:. Ollie was stood on the window sill of the window that overlooks the brook watering their basket. He can just manage to water it that way. If he slips he will only have a 25 foot fall into the brook ( which at the moment is about 6" deep and full of rocks but that is another story - anyone fancy Adam cleaning out Tinker Brook as he is trying to organise a clean up? ). I am sure Gayle will fish his body out as he passes by her house.

Neil 21-07-2006 16:12

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Originally Posted by Gayle
Why is funding not available to pay insurance for smaller events?

That bit confused me as well. Are you talking about the Council pulling funding for such things this year?

garinda 21-07-2006 18:46

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Originally Posted by Neil
I thought of you while I was having my hair cut at Adams :eek:. Ollie was stood on the window sill of the window that overlooks the brook watering their basket. He can just manage to water it that way. If he slips he will only have a 25 foot fall into the brook ( which at the moment is about 6" deep and full of rocks but that is another story - anyone fancy Adam cleaning out Tinker Brook as he is trying to organise a clean up? ). I am sure Gayle will fish his body out as he passes by her house.

If he sails past Gayle's I'll try and fish him out.;)

Thank you thinking of me whilst buying something for the weekend.

They are lucky ones, they have a death defying chance to water them. Many of the others, with the baskets under the guttering don't.

garinda 21-07-2006 18:46

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Originally Posted by Neil
I thought of you while I was having my hair cut at Adams :eek:. Ollie was stood on the window sill of the window that overlooks the brook watering their basket. He can just manage to water it that way. If he slips he will only have a 25 foot fall into the brook ( which at the moment is about 6" deep and full of rocks but that is another story - anyone fancy Adam cleaning out Tinker Brook as he is trying to organise a clean up? ). I am sure Gayle will fish his body out as he passes by her house.

If he sails past Gayle's I'll try and fish him out.;)

Thank you thinking of me whilst buying something for the weekend.

They are lucky ones, they have a death defying chance to water them. Many of the others, with the baskets under the guttering don't.

Madhatter 23-07-2006 23:55

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Drill an hole in the gutter, then the rain will flow into the basket and water it.
Is that a clever idea or what?

garinda 24-07-2006 09:57

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Originally Posted by Madhatter
Drill an hole in the gutter, then the rain will flow into the basket and water it.
Is that a clever idea or what?


What rain....?:hothothot

Gayle 24-07-2006 12:26

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Surely if there was rain you wouldn't need to worry about the plants being watered anyway!!!!!

garinda 24-07-2006 13:16

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Originally Posted by Gayle
Surely if there was rain you wouldn't need to worry about the plants being watered anyway!!!!!


Rindy Thrower here again.

As I said earlier, hanging baskets need to be watered at least once a day to look their best, even if it's peeing down, which it certainly isn't today.:)

Gayle 24-07-2006 13:20

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But wouldn't the rain do the watering for you? All I'm saying is that if it was raining you wouldn't need to put a hole in the guttering to water them with rain because it would actually rain directly on to them.

garinda 24-07-2006 13:24

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Originally Posted by Gayle
But wouldn't the rain do the watering for you? All I'm saying is that if it was raining you wouldn't need to put a hole in the guttering to water them with rain because it would actually rain directly on to them.

No, if you think about it the diameter of a hanging basket is about twelve inches, even in constant rain very little rain water makes it's way down to the roots of the plants. Trust me on this one.

Mine gets watered twice a day and feed with tomato food once a week, it's so lush its hanging down about four feet.:)

Tealeaf 24-07-2006 13:25

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I think logic is that hanging baskets do not retain water like plants in pots or directly in ground soil.

Tealleaf Titchmarsh.

Gayle 24-07-2006 13:27

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Could explain why mine are all dead!

garinda 24-07-2006 13:28

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf
I think logic is that hanging baskets do not retain water like plants in pots or directly in ground soil.

Tealleaf Titchmarsh.


You are right my little protege.:D

Also because they get more of a drying breeze than plants in the earth get.

garinda 24-07-2006 13:29

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Originally Posted by Gayle
Could explain why mine are all dead!


Lolllllllllllllll.:p


Steal one from Union Road, if you can find one that's not brown!:D

Gayle 24-07-2006 13:44

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They're in even worse state than mine!

Madhatter 24-07-2006 19:47

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they need a litre a day.
However... I must have some magic ones, 8 inch white solid pots. I never even planted it up and I've only watered it once this year yet this one petunia is growing really well. I just don't get it, and they were the same last year when new and full. I'd go away for a week in full summer and they'd be bigger and healthier when I got back.
I've never known hanging baskets to do that in the 25 yrs I've been gardening.

garinda 24-07-2006 22:55

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Originally Posted by Madhatter
they need a litre a day.
However... I must have some magic ones, 8 inch white solid pots. I never even planted it up and I've only watered it once this year yet this one petunia is growing really well. I just don't get it, and they were the same last year when new and full. I'd go away for a week in full summer and they'd be bigger and healthier when I got back.
I've never known hanging baskets to do that in the 25 yrs I've been gardening.


Yes, the best thing about plastic ones is that you can bung them in the washing machine when they get dusty as well.:D

Madhatter 24-07-2006 23:02

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lol I've never thought of that.
I shall have to investigate why theses ones are magic.
hmmm If I wash them it might wash the magic away. I'd better lock em up or they'll be ending up in ossy.


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