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Really been left in a state of puzzlement, my OH moved in friday & upon ringing Hyndburn Homes about adding him to my tennacy & rent account - apparently its not as simple as filling form or going down to them. The choice ive been told is that i :-

a] in order to add him to the tenancy is that i MUST cancel my tenancy agreement & reapply to the council for a new one with him added BUT will lose all my tenancy years accounted for the right to buy But instead will only have right to aquire:confused:

OR

b] keep it as it is now but put a letter in writing to say he's living with me & will be paying the rent but hey i keep my tenancy years account to the right to buy.

Now i ask you is that a stupid way of dealing with it? Cos if i give up my tenancy & re-apply - will that put us in a position of losing our home/rights in property & yet if i keep things as they are then my OH has no rights, nevermind the fact they arn't arsed who pays my rent, but the confusion this will cause getting rent paid thro his DD, also if such as life he loses his job etc how will that effect his or mine entitlements & again utter confusion of 2 names but one name on tenancy/rent:confused:

Now i have been thro rented accom of both council & HA, & never known such a daft rule, u used to be able to add or take off names of tenancy by filling a change of circumstances/tenancy form, now as they have told me that as they have become HH that its now changed!

Was told to think about it then let them know BUT we havent a clue what to do for the best for now & future???? Anyone have any advice??

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Sorry mel ive no advice but i just think the whole thing is a bit daft what a way to work! Its like you said whats wrong with just adding a name to the account you share the house why not the tennancy!

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Cheers, Glad i isnt only me that thinks its daft + the extra paper work & confusion at both ends, they couldnt even justify why that is the case other that since its become HH - thats the rules:(

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well ive heard it all now,crazy,incompetant,useless,spring to mind.:rolleyes:

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LOL thing is they weren't much helpful than that for explaining anything either which is making it harder for us to know what to do as in the pro's & cons - tho i would of thought they would of preferred him to be on tenancy as now living & paying here:confused:

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mind you mel have you asked if this only applies to dingles?:rofl38:

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Hiya, housing lady here again :rolleyes:

It isn't a Hyndburn Homes rules its a housing corp/govt rule as far as making it single to jt tenancy!! But its debateble about losing your right to buy as you will have had successive tenancies with no break!!

However, Your OH doesn't have to be on the tenancy agreement and if worse came to worse and he lost his job you would make the claim for housing benefit with him down as your partner...so it's not an issue him not being on the tenancy agreement

Also a point being if you do want to apply to buy OH only has to be living with you for 12 months (even though not on tenancy) to make a joint application to buy your current home

Hope that helps..:)

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Oh cheers Harwood Red:thumbsup:, can u not work For HH so least my head aint mashed:D

The way HH put it was that [as joint we would lose right to buy but right to aquire:confused: whatever that is lol] plus dont trust HH one bit atm lol.

So what do u think in point of view of professional housing officer which would be the best - go joint now or leave it as it is???

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Perhaps it's confused them because I've asked to live in the house instead of the outside shed :D

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:eek::eek::eek::eek: so thats why the shed has been sorted out then - just in case they look into it:D

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i may be as cynical owd git, but sadly honesty is NOT always the best policy.good luck.;)

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Nope they didnt hence asked on here lol, they said that if i put Dave on tenancy then as it WILL have to be a new application then i will lose my years of right to buy:( which i think is pathetic that i should be penalised for putting him on tenancy. It doesn't seem right to me

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Right as promised by text earlier and after speaking to legal bod at our place to make sure I am right....

With us (twin valley homes) you can do whats called a deed of assignment..where you assign part of your tenancy rights over to Dave...(hence making it a joint tenancy) but still keep your preserved rights also...the problem is the landlord does not have to accept any assignments and that may well be the case with HH...Best way to check is to read through the tenancy agreement again and see if there is anything about assignments.

If it says they will look at assignments...then the housing act 1988 says that they cannot take away your preserved rights which includes the right to buy

The difference between right to buy & right to acquire is:

right to buy = discounts based on length of time being a tenant (can be quite big discounts too, between £16k & 38k)

right to acquire = can apply only after beig tenant for 5 years and it's fixed discount (between £9k and 16k) regardless of how long been tenant

Hope that helps..if not ...next question??? :D

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Just looked at my tenancy handbook - mentions nothing about assignments [surprise surprise], it gives details about joint tenancy & what happens in breakdown of relationship with regard to tenancy - BUT nowt on moving in a partner.

Strange thing about right to buy will copy as below

If your secure tenancy transferred from the council to hyndburn homes u will continue your right to buy. This is known as a preserved right to buy.

This remains with u or any qualifying member of your family who suceeds to your tenancy, even if u later transfer to another home owned by HH, as long as its not exempt from right to buy. Also, if u have the preserved right to buy & later move to a council home in another area, u would still have the right to buy & any discounts would include your time as a tenant of HH.

Some tenancies are currently excluded from the right to buy such as flats in sheltered schemes & bungalows.

New tenants of HH do not have preserved right to buy but do have the right to acquire Hyndburn Homes excerp from handbook

Now reading that im sure HH are diddling me out of my right to buy because they want me to cancel my current tenancy agreement to apply as joint tennant - so therefore i would come under a new tenant [despite being with them a good few years with council] so that they can diddle me out of the right to buy:(

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Oh & they say in handbook that 2 people living as a couple SHOULD be joint tenants

Funny that when they gave me 2 options & not exactly encouraging getting the joint tenancy by making it harder & losing my preserved right to buy:mad:

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I was going to suggest getting a kennel outside for you, and only letting you sleep at the bottom of her bed on the coldest of nights, but a shed would afford you more leg room.:D

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I always wanted to be somebody's bit of woof :D

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Oh aye mr rindy 69er karma points giving you ideas:rofl38:

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that was my point mel, i don't think they can take away your preserved right to buy unless you agree to sign the new tenancy agreeing to lose that preserved right. After 12 months of living with you Dave can be included on your application for right to buy..so not much point faffing with Joint tenancy if that is your future aim.

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The sneaky barstewards, i dont see the point they'd gain by making me do a joint tenancy as a new tenant, little legal loophole they are exploiting. Well i shall do my letter to them just to inform in writing that he's here & unless i can keep my preserved right to buy & other rights in place allowed from then ie being assured tenant not a starter tenant when been here longer than HH have, then i shan't be doing the joint - tough doggy do do for changing the rules to suit them not the tenant in place thats earned it LOL.

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I would also point out that as a local authority housing they couldn't do assignments under the housing act 1985 but as an RSL they can under housing act 1988 and also that if they agree, part of the assignment is sharing with Dave your preserved right to buy also...although he would only ever be able to do that jointly with you unless you then went on in future to assign the whole tenancy to him :eek:

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That sounds like a good option for you, when he gets fed up with your moaning you still have all your rights and he has none :D

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If you married him, would his future tenancy rights be improved? or would it not make any difference?

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I don't think you can marry somebody if they are declared insane, that would be the only possibility of it happening :D

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Even then my one & only minute sane brain cell working would still prevent it from happening:Banane20:hehehehe:D

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LOL - I wasn't recommending it - just asking if it would make a difference.
(far be it from me to make such recommendations , having failed at matrimony several times I am in no position to advocate it, but I know some people thrive on it :D -I've just given up trying)

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Your'e right, it is a good question. I believe you can pass tenancy to immediate family who occupy the same property so presumably the spouse would come under that category if I'm right.

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Yes it does:D

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To prevent softening of the brain in later life I recommend a daily dose of Gingko Biloba (chinese herbal medicine) -Good luck to the two of you - hope you make it this time around -glad for your happiness (I miss being in love even though life is more peaceful being single :D )

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well thats that sorted, please dont send me n paris a invite between mid oct n mid november mel or we will miss the wedding.:D

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Stay off the drink it makes you dillusional :D

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Best thing to do will be going to see the citizens advice bureau for some free advice on it and your legal rights. They'll be able to tell you what is the best thing to do.