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steeljack

22-07-2007 07:10

Modern art, art or just a big con ?

ok, was browsing the BBC world news and this item caught my eye
BBC NEWS | Europe | Painting meets its femme fatale

seemingly some nutter is up on charges in France for defacing a piece of contempory art ,worth nearly £1 million by leaving a lipstick smear on it .........the item is described as an 'immaculate white canvas' and this woman kissed it , leaving a lipstick smear ........so someone please tell me how an unpainted canvas is supposedly worth one million £'s ?
Maybe I am a philistine but my idea of 'art' is a Baby Jesus and Madonna , or a Lowry, even the 'Jade Girl' by the russian guy has more artistic merit than an 'immaculate white canvas'.
So who are these folks and what qualifications do they have who set themselves up as arbiters of taste and public art ........

responses expected from at least two of our Accy web members :D

WillowTheWhisp

22-07-2007 07:57

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I presume it was painted white as opposed to being an unpainted canvas but even so I too fail to see how it can be described as art.

garinda

22-07-2007 08:27

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'Ms Rindy, herself an artist, is due to appear in court on 16 August.'

Lol.:p

Free the Rindy 1.:D

garinda

22-07-2007 08:31

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Come on Steeljack, you've had exactly one hundred years to get used to Modern Art, as it was in 1907 that Picasso exhibited what is considered the first modern art work 'Les Demoiselles D'Avignon'.

lancsdave

22-07-2007 08:34

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As soon as I get the wallpaper on the walls in the living room we will have four of those paintings. I was wondering what to call them so I'm thinking of Duluxius Emulsionious, would that be fitting for such works of art ? :)

steeljack

22-07-2007 08:38

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 452292)

Come on Steeljack, you've had exactly one hundred years to get used to Modern Art, as it was in 1907 that Picasso exhibited what is considered the first modern art work 'Les Demoiselles D'Avignon'.

sorry but I prefer to see the Magdalen carring her little pot of Mhyrr :D

WillowTheWhisp

22-07-2007 08:48

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There's art and there's 'Emperor's New Clothes' art. Sometimes people are afraid of saying what they think for fear of being thought a Philistine.

garinda

22-07-2007 08:55

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Most art critics hate the painting by Scottish artist Vettriano, that Steeljack has as his avatar at the moment, even though commercially he is one of the most commercially sucessful painters of the age.

garinda

22-07-2007 08:57

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Art is really just a concept that induces an emotion.

I think Ms. Rindy's kiss is art.:D

WillowTheWhisp

22-07-2007 08:59

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I can go along with what you're saying to an extent but draw the line firmly at a plain blank white canvas. I see no artistic value in that whatsoever.

garinda

22-07-2007 09:07

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 452302)

I can go along with what you're saying to an extent but draw the line firmly at a plain blank white canvas. I see no artistic value in that whatsoever.

I agree, it show's very little imagination. Solid colour canvases were first exhibited over eighty years ago, when the Dadaist Francis Picabia exhibited his blank canvas L'Oeil cacodylate in Paris in 1921.

steeljack

22-07-2007 09:24

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Hockney has been doing this monocromatic stuff for years and making millions

garinda

22-07-2007 09:26

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 452312)

Hockney has been doing this monocromatic stuff for years and making millions

I met him in the Armani shop in Milan, and he took me for tea.

We didn't talk about art.:D

steeljack

22-07-2007 09:33

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 452314)

I met him in the Armani shop in Milan, and he took me for tea.

We didn't talk about art.:D

More of a Hugo Boss and Jagermeister type :D

Tin Monkey

22-07-2007 12:51

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 452314)

I met him in the Armani shop in Milan, and he took me for tea.

We didn't talk about art.:D

Did you talk about Bradford? ;)

garinda

22-07-2007 15:27

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 452367)

Did you talk about Bradford? ;)

No, though we did talk about growing up as 'artistic' children in the north of England.;)

Tin Monkey

22-07-2007 18:16

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 452417)

No, though we did talk about growing up as 'artistic' children in the north of England.;)

Artistic eh? Is that what they're calling it nowadays? ;)

On topic now, I actually enjoy a lot of 'so-called' modern art. I actually bought a couple of books today on 20th century art and although I'm a long way from being knowledgeable, I'm picking up information here and there.

katex

22-07-2007 22:10

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 452301)

Art is really just a concept that induces an emotion

So what emotion would a blank canvass stir up in me cockles then Garinda.
Actually, not really blank, is it ? Must be summat on it ?

By the way, that present Avatar of yours stirs up emotions .. frightens the sh1t outta' me .. talk about the bogey man is coming .. gonna' have nightmares. :eek:

cashman

22-07-2007 22:24

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know where yer coming from steeljack,i see sod all in a white canvas n anyone who says they can i say bulls***, my lad has a "masters" in modern art" n obviously i have tried very hard to get into it, but its still means nowt to me, have visited quite a few exhibitions that he has been part of, seen a few things i like n a lot of crap, hes actually been invited to have his Own exibition in Austria, at some point next year,probably will have to go, ya know how it is,but dont honestly fancy it.:rolleyes:

garinda

22-07-2007 23:18

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 452559)

I'm not going to be an appologist for modern art, mainly because there really is no such thing. The very concept of modernism means that it constantly changes. What was modern and contemporary at the begining of the twentieth century is now quite literally antique and dated.

The very first time a blank canvas was exhibited, it created shock and outrage, now it's just passé and derivative.

You could ask yourself how has the canvas been painted? With a small brush, with visible brush marks, or is it perfectly smooth as if it's been sprayed? Is it really white, or are there subtle differences of shade? The painter could be giving all kinds of subtle messages, or he could just be being pretentious. Who knows, or cares?:D

(I'm sorry Papa Lazarou is frightening you. Don't be afraid, he won't bite.:D)

WillowTheWhisp

23-07-2007 09:16

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Just be thankful you can't hear him speak Katex. That really would give you the willies! :eek:

garinda

23-07-2007 18:08

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 452631)

Just be thankful you can't hear him speak Katex. That really would give you the willies! :eek:

I do hope you mean Papa Lazarou, and not me! :D

Gayle

23-07-2007 18:47

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 452585)

You could ask yourself how has the canvas been painted? With a small brush, with visible brush marks, or is it perfectly smooth as if it's been sprayed? Is it really white, or are there subtle differences of shade? The painter could be giving all kinds of subtle messages, or he could just be being pretentious. Who knows, or cares?:D

I saw a blank canvas painting in a gallery once and didn't 'get it' then realised that the shine of the canvas, the angles of the lights and the brightness in the room was creating shadows and reflections on the canvas. The people in the room became the painting.

See, I can talk pretentious claptrap too! :D

LancYorkYankee

24-07-2007 23:55

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Look on the bright side of this art exhibit Rindy. You may be able to get back to your painting again. I'm sure you could do something as artistic even with the dreaded shakes that forced you away from you first love. :p

Brian

cashman

25-07-2007 00:14

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 452789)

See, I can talk pretentious claptrap too! :D

ya just gotta go into politics then gayle!:D

Zero	25-07-2007 13:34

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Definitely art with a capital F

To me art needs to involve at least some amount of creativity and imagination. Andre`s Bricks, Hursts Sheep, tins of "Merde d`artiste", or a deflated balloon masquerading as the Breath of the artist are all absolute toss, but it`s the pretentious phuckwits who make it multi million pound trinkets and not just non recyclable waste.
Offering a blank, or white undercoat canvas as art to me is an insult to human intelligence and the people who try to look for some underlying hidden concept in the basic talentless lazyness of it all are the morons who will guarantee more of this tripe. Presumably the numbty who made this has done something previously to make a name for themselves but I for one don`t give a hoot.

garinda

25-07-2007 15:50

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Originally Posted by Zero (Post 453239)

Oh dear. Ms. Rindy's blank canvas has certainly provoked an emotion, which sadly means by my definition that it must be art.:D

WillowTheWhisp

25-07-2007 18:10

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Wasn't she the one with the lips rather than the one with the blank canvas?

garinda

25-07-2007 18:13

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 453290)

Wasn't she the one with the lips rather than the one with the blank canvas?

You're right. Rindy was just the **** artist. Which sounds about right.;)

Zero	25-07-2007 23:39

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 453259)

Oh dear. Ms. Rindy's blank canvas has certainly provoked an emotion, which sadly means by my definition that it must be art.:D

Exactly

But I wouldn`t be wanting to KISS IT :D

garinda

26-07-2007 08:42

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What art is, is open to interpretation.

To some opera is high art, to others it's just a big woman warbling.:D

WillowTheWhisp

26-07-2007 08:52

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I wouldn't pay tuppence for it either. ;)

b.joel

26-07-2007 11:07

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I think art is what the individual person lookin sees in anything, having said that I still can't get my head round a soiled bed, a light going on and off in and empty room or a constantly dripping tap have got to do with art:confused::confused::confused::confused:

WillowTheWhisp

26-07-2007 11:37

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I remember a sketch (I think it was The Two Ronnies) set in a modern gallery where they were admiring the works of art. They stood there commenting on one arrangement about how the layout was so imaginative and how it evoked this that and the other - until the cleaner came along and gathered up her mop and bucket to go and clean another room! :D

garinda

26-07-2007 12:57

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'An American lady travelling to Paris in 1913 - the kind of American lady who will still be travelling to Paris in 2013 - asked Ezra Pound what he thought art was for. Pound replied, 'Ask me what a rose bush is for.'

'I know of a man, a Quaker, who volunteered as an ambulance driver in World War Two. While other men had pictures of their sweethearts in their breast pockets, he carried a photo of a Queen Anne chair.'

Jeanette Winterson - Journalism - The Guardian - 2002 - What is art for?

Tin Monkey

26-07-2007 14:57

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Very interesting read there Garinda. Thanks for posting it.

Perhaps this thread should be retitled, art to choke hearts? ;)

Gayle

26-07-2007 18:02

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The play Art is all about three friends - one of them is a minimalist who lives in a white apartment, he buys a white painting and hangs it on the wall. His friends can't see the point. Doesn't seem much of a plot for a play but apparently the whole thing is really funny.

WillowTheWhisp

26-07-2007 18:51

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Now you see I could find that a very interesting subject for a play and can see how it could be funny.

garinda

26-07-2007 19:35

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Art the play, is very funny, and worth catching if you get the chance. I saw it in London in the mid nineties, with Tom Courtenay, Ken Stott, and Albert Finney, they were wonderful.

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