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Hiya i work for the Chelmswood estate, which inturn is owned by the Kingwilkinson Family estate. The Estate is planning to claim and re-generate Hambledon quarry and Part of Hambledon hill for the public. Does anybody on here live close to this area who would be willing to check up on the site monthly and be a key holder.

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By check up we mean just ensuring that the gates to the site are locked throughought the re generation work for health and safety purposes and generally reporting back to the estate manager, and yes unfortunately it would only be on a voluntary basis.

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sorry i have said it wrong, under britich law and the law of adverse possesion we are required to use the site for 12 months prior to starting work and it would be for the first 12 month that we would require a volunteer.

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I like that word, Adverse Possession.

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It's 2 words.

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Here are a lot more words :D
Adverse possession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Hiya i work for the Chelmswood estate, which inturn is owned by the Kingwilkinson Family estate. The Estate is planning to claim and re-generate Hambledon quarry and Part of Hambledon hill for the public. Does anybody on here live close to this area who would be willing to check up on the site for the first 12 months before re-generation begins and be a key holder.

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So, if you are using the site you should be checking yourself - maybe better if you defined "using"

and for the sake of argument I live very close and go walking up there fairly regularly,

You need to define what the responsibilties would be and what the legal status of the keyholder is, say if statutory bodies, or Police etc want access to that land

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By using the land we mean occupying it for the required 12 months before work can begin, we have checked the details of the site with the Land registry and it is currently unregistered so anybody claiming to be the owner would have to proove it by showing deeds ect.

The person would be responsible for just checking the gate monthly and reporting back to the estate manager, Lancashire constabulary will be issued with a key as they are with all of our claim and so any other emergency service responding to the site will be assited by the police and so you would have no responsibility there.

Can i just ask, as you walk there often what you thin of the site at present and the state of the site and whether you think that a re-generation programme would be a good idea?

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'The site claims that people leave pornographic home-made videos and photos under rocks and tells of one couple in their thirties who love to be filmed.'

Sordid sex site sparks action call - News - Accrington Observer



Perhaps the key could be left under a stone, and people could take turns.:D

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Well yes in its simplest terms, except there is no recorded or traceable owner and this is the method employed in all of our other projects which has seen vast ammounts of land designated as public common land and donated to local communities.

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Depends what your regeneration plans include ??? - care to tell us ????

At the moment it is, what it is - a disused quarry area teaming with its own natural charm and home to many wilfd flora and fauna - now why would you want to regenerate that - think you can improve on nature ""

or is this just a land grab, with the idea of building on it at a later date, because you may face opposition from the Local Ramblers Association and various bodies like that

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Sounds decidedly dodgy. Why have the King-Wilkinsons and Chelmswood hired an illiterate as their recruiting agent?

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We have already contacted hyndburn ramblers and notified them of our plans. The Estate is itself and enviromental re-generation cahity (excempt) and believes in the natural beuty of the countryside. The estate would make no structual changes to the site and i can assure you this is not a land grab, nor will we be building on it in the future.

After reading various news article about activities occuring at the site and recieving a letter from a member of the public we planned to claim the land and block acces via vehicles directly to the site, we also wish to open it up more in an effort to deter anti-social behaviour .

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an*
beauty*
environment*
access*

:rolleyes:

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The council is responsible for all the land under its control, for example if travellers moved onto a car park owned by a shop in the town the council would be responsible for moving them on and in cases like this one where no paper ownere exists the council sytematically take control, however have no rights of ownership.

And as for a ranting membver of the public claiming to be the owner they would not know who the key holder was and would contact the estate manager, whos details will be displayed on a sign on the gate.

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Is it britich?

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they are typos. SORRY.

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HAH.......

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Is anybody willing to help ?

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Sorry i meant to say we have been awarded excempt charity status as we are a non-profit making organisation who operate public services and fund and oversee projects like this.

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What name are you registered under with the Charity Commission?

Charity Commission Homepage

Nothing under Chelmswood.:confused:

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If a charitable trust is prepared to go to the trouble to claim and improve this land - why can't our own council do just that?
The way I read the wikepedia link, it involves securing the site and visiting it to check it is secure - then eventually claiming 'squatter's rights' - not beyond the capabilities of our council, or is it?

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No the council could just do the same and i agree that they should, however usually means too much hassle for them and there is a fair bit of paperwork towards the end of the Claim process which i dont believe is beyond them.

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Again, what is the name of the charity you're registered under?

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Our MP and several councillors visit this forum - perhaps by posting here you will have done yourself out of the project :D

PS local press look for their scoops here too

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Haha i hope not this is the first project theyve trusted me with

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Offline now?

The caravans must be on the move to the Hambledon area.:D

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Wot a load of bollocks !

Claim squatters rights then go ahead and work on the quarry we are not

Hambledon hill / kings highway is used my farms and buisness e.g miry lane farm, United utillites (not michells house).

How clever you are to try and outsmart use into getting a quarry.

Out of intrested is there still stone etc in there that can be worked ?.

It has just been blocked off im sure of it i passed it last week .

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yea and that was Ibstock Brick Ltd

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They are still trading -Ibstock Brick Limited Contact Information Ibstock Brick Limited Leicester Road Ibstock, Leicestershire LE67 6HS, United Kingdom

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They have an email address too ;)

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Scoops??
:confused:

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Go on then SOMEONE tell them whats going on --(I exhausted my energy levels for public spiritedness on Whinney Hill spraying- someone elses turn now :D)

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i have told the local rag they will do it for me :D

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Yes 'scoops' - they hear it 1st here! :D

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In fact they don't bother writing their own reports they just quote what people have written on here;)

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That link just goes to Yahoo, and I can't see anything about your charitable status.:confused:

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...and another member has already told us that the quarry may be owned by Ibstock.

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Email them on that address i think you will find that they do not own it, we emailed them sometime ago regarding the site. They told us they did own it but no longer do and are unsure of its current owner if any.

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Now I'm really puzzled - if they did own it, then surely they would know who they sold it/gave it to.

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apparently they abandoned it due to costs and health and safety concerns.

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Any websites yet, regarding other works you've done, and the name you're registered under with the Charities Commission?

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Funny that! Every time you ask a question like that Garinda, Chelmsford disappears.

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Im sorry but someone must own it because im pritty sure it has to have a owner because of the risk the site has.

The mostly northenly entrance has been blocked off so does that tell you no one owns it.

I think not

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This seems to be some kind of legal wrangling over ownership. I
wouldn't trust it. Not sure what they are planning to do but it sounds
like they are intending to claim the land as public property because
currently no-one has the title deeds. This is more a legal ownership
issue than anything else.

Can get further legal information if required.

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Please do Kate.

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I've asked a few questions to some people I know about ownership so I'll see if anyone responds.

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[quote=katex;490504]This seems to be some kind of legal wrangling over ownership. I
wouldn't trust it. Not sure what they are planning to do but it sounds
like they are intending to claim the land as public property because
currently no-one has the title deeds. This is more a legal ownership
issue than anything else.
quote]

Your right about the claiming of the Land as public property however the estates intention is in no way to defraud the public as the land will be donated back to the council according to the current plans and will be registered as a public common.

There have been a few misunderstanding with regard to the actual site, in fact the quarry is not Huncoat quarry which is still in use but is Hambledon quarry to the rear of Hambledon common and Hambledon scouts which according to ordnance survey is disused. The quarry is accesible via farm track only which is accessed from the bypasss, Haslingden bound before the united utilities access road to Mitchells house.

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Your right about the claiming of the Land as public property however the estates intention is in no way to defraud the public as the land will be donated back to the council according to the current plans and will be registered as a public common.

There have been a few misunderstanding with regard to the actual site, in fact the quarry is not Huncoat quarry which is still in use but is Hambledon quarry to the rear of Hambledon common and Hambledon scouts which according to ordnance survey is disused. The quarry is accesible via farm track only which is accessed from the bypasss, Haslingden bound before the united utilities access road to Mitchells house.

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I'm still puzzled.

If the land is common land already why do you need to claim it, do anything to it and then donate it back to the council as a public common?

I presume at some point there must be some financial gain in this for your organisation but you're not explaining yourself very well. Surely there must be a cost involved in doing whatever it is that you do.

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Here you are back again, but still haven't answered my questions.:confused:

I'll make it easier for you, and number them.

1/ Is there a website showing other areas you have 'regenerated' and given back to the public? Even if you don't have a website, could you please name one such project, so we could do our own research, as there is bound to be at least some press coverage of such a worthwhile scheme.

2/ What name are you registered under as a charity?

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so it is gamblers cave the quarry in question

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I did a bit of checking around and asked someone in the know regarding the hill - this is his response.


The Hill & Quarry are already open to public access under the CROW Act, part of it is a Biological Heritage Site (BHS: ref no 72SE07 called Hameldon Scout, designated because the quarry cliffs are used by peregrine falcons for nesting) and on the hill above an earthwork called Little Hameldon is a Bronze Age chambered long barrow of considerable archaeological and historical interest. Clearly there would be concerns and objections about any damage to the long barrow and any disturbanec to the birds. The Hill & Quarry are also Common Land but I'm not sure exactly what this means in terms of the Rights of Commoners, the public & others.

The access track into the quarry is a public footpath & cannot be closed.


I'm puzzled so would again like to ask you what your plans are Chelmswood?

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Well done Gayle -- we suspect travellers are attempting to commandeer land---time will tell ---now we are aware of the threat, they are less likely to succeed.
Other forum members have contacted other parties who may have interests in and/or ownership of, the site.

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Another bit of information that I've just been fed.


Section 38 of the Commons Act 2006 replaces section 194 of the Law of Property Act 1925, which is repealed. Under section 38, consent is generally needed from the Secretary of State for any restricted works on registered common land. Restricted works are those which prevent or impede access to or over the land, which might include erecting fencing, constructing buildings, digging ditches or resurfacing of land with tarmac and similar materials.

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well after reading through this thread, i come out on the side of Garinda,Bonnyboy, n others. to me anyone promoting summat n NOT answering questions asked numerous times, comes across as a con-merchant, to me, so Chelmswood its down to you,prove otherwise.

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There was another thread on the same topic by Chelmsford, which was started BEFORE this thread and was active CONCURRENTLY for a time.
Anyone wanting the full picture should read that too
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ion-34634.html

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ta margaret, missed that one with being away, just makes the whole thing more suspect to me, as garinda was asking the SAME question on the 1st thread n still NO answer.:rolleyes:

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