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derekgas 25-11-2007 19:44

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I have no doubt many here have been driving in Accrington for years, and I have a question in that regard, when driving down eastgate to the roundabout, and intending to turn into Hyndburn rd, I use the second lane, but I notice, that even though it is the 3rd (4th if you count the car park)turning off, many people use the inside lane, so I have to give way to people undertaking. Is it me missing something?

david1 25-11-2007 20:08

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I think you can safely say the highway code ,has been put out of the window. It seems to be everyone for themselves! Ive had so many near misses. I wish my boss would put cameras in the cabs of the trucks!

Mr Aleks 25-11-2007 20:15

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Ive always had the thinking of you stay in the inside and then move out to the out side as you pass the exit before the one you want.

K.S.H 25-11-2007 21:27

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I know how ya feel about it, I had on div just a couple of week ago sat in the left lane as we got to the roundabout, I was in the right hand lane and was going down Hyndburn Rd, he only went right round the roundabout and I think he went up Milnshaw lane - he was also on the phone :mad:

katex 25-11-2007 21:29

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I would not even dream of going into the second lane for that one. Men drivers :rolleyes:

lancsdave 25-11-2007 21:41

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I would take the second lane if I was going down Hyndburn Rd. If you are supposed to stay on the inside lane until your exit what's the point of having a second lane ?

katex 25-11-2007 21:53

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 497855)
I would take the second lane if I was going down Hyndburn Rd. If you are supposed to stay on the inside lane until your exit what's the point of having a second lane ?

For drivers that are going further than 12 o 'clock .. this is clearly only about 11 o'clock.

You always have to keep your eye on your left mirror to view if people coming out of other exits may be carrying on round a roundabout. Just an instinct. What pees me off is drivers who never indicate at roundabouts.

If I am on unknown roundabouts and can see that drivers are coming up on my left with no intention of turning left, then will go around again, knowing I should have been in the left lane to begin with. Always best though to keep in the left lane if the sign indicates straight across.. better safe than sorry. (unless large roundabouts where the lane is marked for turning left only of course)

lancsdave 25-11-2007 22:02

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 497857)
For drivers that are going further than 12 o 'clock .. this is clearly only about 11 o'clock.


I'ts probably about 8.45 when I get there so thats why I don't have problems :D

cashman 25-11-2007 22:16

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as about 80% please themselves at this roundabout, i have joined em.:D

Neil 25-11-2007 23:15

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 497846)
I would not even dream of going into the second lane for that one. Men drivers :rolleyes:

Because many people don't know which lane to be it it should be marked up. Why would they save the inside lane for people going up Milnshaw lane and going to Homebase/petrol station.

The lanes should be marked to help improve traffic flow.

I personally think that the outside lane should be for everything before Hyndburn Road, the inside lane should be for Hyndburn Road and the ones after it.

I think that would make best use of the roundabout and improve traffic flow.

If you think about it, why would they have created a whole lane from the lights at the top down to the roundabout for people going to Homebase/Petrol Station. Not many will go down there for Milnshaw Lane, unless you are going to Aldi.


It was the same at Whitebirk. You come from the motorway to the roundabout at McDonalds. It's obvious they put 2 lanes there so the left is to Intack and the right is to Blackburn. The number of people who use the left lane for Blackburn and think the right hand lane was built solely for the minute number of drivers going to The Range is unbelievable.

lancsdave 26-11-2007 06:03

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 497896)
I personally think that the outside lane should be for everything before Hyndburn Road, the inside lane should be for Hyndburn Road and the ones after it.


Isn't that the wrong way round :confused:

Neil 26-11-2007 07:19

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 497907)
Isn't that the wrong way round :confused:


I meant inside of roundabout so I see what you mean. Left lane before Hyndburn Road, right lane including and after Hyndburn Road I meant. It was late and I had just got in from work.

Uncle Mick 26-11-2007 08:28

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I never understand why people come down Milnshaw Lane, then up Eastgate past the tax office? Surely it`s quicker to go straight down Whalley Road?

Gayle 26-11-2007 08:38

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I always believed that when a road across a roundabout is a continuation of a road before a roundabout you should get in the correct lane before approaching the roundabout and then follow that lane through.

This is particularly important when the road at the other side of the roundabout is very short leading up to traffic lights.

derekgas 26-11-2007 11:28

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I think the concensus is: either please yourself, or wait until the council make the first lane left and the second lane straight on and right turn. But if you divide the roundabout into 6 including the car park, that makes Hyndburn road the fourth, I would say Hynburn Road should be the right lane. To give an example, at the roundabout on junction 8 from haslingden, lanes split into 3, people use lane 1 to go straight on, but the traffic in lane 2 have a perfect right to go into the fast lane of the m65 from there, that is another disaster waiting to happen. Rant over, thanks for answering.

Gayle 26-11-2007 12:03

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This is from the Highway Code and has a little picture to explain roughly what I said.

When reaching the roundabout you should

give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights
check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining
watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all
look forward before moving off to make sure traffic in front has moved off

186
Signals and position.

When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave

When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
select the appropriate lane on approach to the roundabout
you should not normally need to signal on approach
stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want
When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.

derekgas 26-11-2007 15:42

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Nice one Gayle, but I have a tendency to think that it may confuse people further, the diagram is fine one a 4 way roundabout, but for the multi turn roundabouts it just says choose the appropriate lane. lol typical government standard explanation!

shillelagh 26-11-2007 15:57

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Think when drivers are doing their test they should go to Nelson. Theyd soon learn how to get round roundabouts. I hated that one i took over there.

Stanleymad 26-11-2007 16:11

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 498055)
Think when drivers are doing their test they should go to Nelson. Theyd soon learn how to get round roundabouts. I hated that one i took over there.

LOL i much preferred Nelson/Burnley way even the big scary white knuckle roundabout towards burnley TC, so yeh great for practice especally the double ones, funny never failed on those LOL, its much better to drive round there than Blackburn [way they kept & keep changing the road layouts & lanes], if my theory certificate time hadn't elasped & being able to afford more, i may of done much better on my tests in Nelson than previous ones at blackburn:(.

shillelagh 26-11-2007 16:24

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I did my tests at blackburn, nelson and bury. I passed at Bury. Failed at Blackburn and found out why as well and wasnt a happy person. While i was out on the test my driving instructor was talking to another instructor and they said to her that there was a new manager in charge of the test centre and the pass rate at blackburn was 32% the new one wanted to bring it down to 27%. Guess who had the new manager as the tester? He failed me because he told me to late which lane to go into and i missed seeing the feeder arrow.

And before anyone says anything about the numerous tests i did - i did eventually pass.

Stanleymad 26-11-2007 16:28

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So theres hope for me yet then Shillelagh PMSL!!!:D

shillelagh 26-11-2007 17:31

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Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 498062)
So theres hope for me yet then Shillelagh PMSL!!!:D

Definately!!! If i can pass then anyone can!!!! :D:D:D

At least you have someone who can take you out for lessons in between - my brother wouldnt trust me, one sister just looked at me and laughed, the other said no chance ive only just bought this car and want to get at least 6months use out of it before it goes into a garage, niece said i need my car to get me to uni (she was living in Liverpool then).

grego 26-11-2007 18:15

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Always use the right hand lane when turning onto Hyndburn road, I cant understand the drivers who are going Right (Hyndburn Road) but are in the left lane thus going all the way round on the outside.

WillowTheWhisp 26-11-2007 21:35

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There's an added problem with that roundabout. There are times when cars stop in the middle of Union Street and the traffic backs up onto the roundabout.

lettie 26-11-2007 21:38

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I'm a right hand lane person too. Before the roundabout was built it was always a right hand turn onto Hyndburn Rd. Plonking a roundabout in the middle of the road doesn't make it any less of a right hand turn..:)

katex 26-11-2007 21:59

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Originally Posted by lettie (Post 498202)
I'm a right hand lane person too. Before the roundabout was built it was always a right hand turn onto Hyndburn Rd. Plonking a roundabout in the middle of the road doesn't make it any less of a right hand turn..:)

How can it be a right hand turn from Eastgate Lettie ?? Beyond 90 degrees is a right hand turn, this is clearly around 85 approx! Remind me never to travel with you two sisters .. :D

Bonnyboy 26-11-2007 22:33

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The problem I have had with the roundabout is when slowing to take the exit for Homebase ( coming from the Eastgate side ) Sometimes those coming from Hyndburn Road just don’t realise that there is a turn off directly to their left and start to pull out as you slow down….quite a few times I have had to abort going into Homebase and go round the roundabout again to avoid a collision.

lettie 27-11-2007 07:57

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 498220)
How can it be a right hand turn from Eastgate Lettie ?? Beyond 90 degrees is a right hand turn, this is clearly around 85 approx! Remind me never to travel with you two sisters .. :D

When coming down Eastgate to go onto Hyndburn Rd...... which way do you turn your steering wheel Katex??? I have to turn mine right in order to get around to Hyndburn Rd, therefore, it is a right hand turn. Remind me never to let you drive my car....:D

katex 27-11-2007 08:05

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Originally Posted by lettie (Post 498285)
When coming down Eastgate to go onto Hyndburn Rd...... which way do you turn your steering wheel Katex??? I have to turn mine right in order to get around to Hyndburn Rd, therefore, it is a right hand turn. Remind me never to let you drive my car....:D

LOL .. well it is a roundabout, and therefore going in a circle, clockwise, so have no choice but to turn your wheel right, even if you were taking the first 'left' down Union Street .. this is getting more complicated. :D

See the diagram in Gayle's post.

lettie 27-11-2007 08:21

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 498289)
LOL .. well it is a roundabout, and therefore going in a circle, clockwise, so have no choice but to turn your wheel right, even if you were taking the first 'left' down Union Street .. this is getting more complicated. :D

See the diagram in Gayle's post.

I have never turned my steering wheel right to go down Union St from Eastgate..:confused: From the left lane my wheel is turned slightly left to get on to the roundabout, straight for a bit, then left to get onto Union St...:D


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