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panther 11-03-2008 19:08

Should Homework Be Scrapped?
 
they say...Homework is making Britain's kids miserable and should be scrapped, according to a leading teachers' union.


primary school kids should not be given homework, IMO.
high school kids?...yes i agree with.

what do you think?

slinky 11-03-2008 19:11

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I'm same as you Panther. I think Primary school kids shouldn't have the worry of home work.

I do think that secondary school homework is good for them. I think it gives them a taste of Dead lines that have to be met and responsibility, which, hopefully ( If they decide to get a job ) :rolleyes: will come in handy.

flashy 11-03-2008 19:12

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i'm in the middle with this one, yes they should have LESS homework BUT i dont think they should stop it altogether, maybe just not give them as much

shillelagh 11-03-2008 19:13

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homework - hated it when i was at school, hated it when i was at college, hated it now i bring it home from work sometimes. Most of the time the homework was done on the bus going to school in the morning ..... :D thats why i can now write anywhere as long as the pen's working!!!

But yes kids should get homework and if i remember rightly one of my nieces and both my nephews got homework in the top class of primary school.

Less 11-03-2008 19:14

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No it's the only thing that you women complain more about than your fellers!
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Oop's sorry misread the title as HOUSEWORK!

Margaret Pilkington 11-03-2008 19:18

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Primary school Children should not have homework....unless it is like a project......I remember doing one when I was at Peel Park(centuries ago)...it was about growing cocoa beans and the best project received a prize from Cadbury's......I think we all got something from Cadbury's. It made learning fun.

I think that secondary School children need to develop a degree of discipline and focus towards their studies...so I think there should be some homework.....but I am sure that learning could be more fun and more valid if done in work groups.

slinky 11-03-2008 19:19

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 544387)
No it's the only thing that you women complain more about than your fellers!
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Oop's sorry misread the title as HOUSEWORK!

We know your up take on housework.......


pssst ... Less - have you managed to sweet talk AccyLass yet??

Less 11-03-2008 19:26

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Originally Posted by slinky (Post 544392)


pssst ... Less - have you managed to sweet talk AccyLass yet??

No, she seems to think I need a brush with a longer handle,

I told her we could come to some sort of compromise, if she could be more relaxed and just grip it with one hand! (so long as it gets the job done I won't mind how long she takes!).

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flashy 11-03-2008 19:27

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see Less you DO need a woman in your life ;)

panther 11-03-2008 19:32

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My son comes home with homework and hes only 7, ya can tell with his face hes not interested in it, also reading, hes always fetching books home to read and this too is making him fed up, with having to keep doing it.
he's doing really well with his reading and having to keep doing the same thing all the time is putting him off!, surley this cant be a good thing?

so NO as i said before primary school age kids should get NONE

lindsay ormerod 11-03-2008 19:39

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Children should have homework, it maybe seen as a necessary evil but it's the best time to drum the basics into their heads.
I can't believe that some kids start primary school without even the basics, they should be able to count to at least 50, know their alphabet and be able to spell their name and be able to recognise colours. If they can do that you have given them a good grounding, if the basics aren't there they are starting way behind.

slinky 11-03-2008 19:45

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 544408)
My son comes home with homework and hes only 7, ya can tell with his face hes not interested in it, also reading, hes always fetching books home to read and this too is making him fed up, with having to keep doing it.
he's doing really well with his reading and having to keep doing the same thing all the time is putting him off!, surley this cant be a good thing?

so NO as i said before primary school age kids should get NONE

I know what you mean Panther. My youngest is very clever at reading/writing and Math's. He does lose concentration at home, and makes silly mistakes that he wouldn't normally make.

Mine get Homework every Wednesday, written homework. Then they get a book to read over the weekend.

I make them do it, course I do, but I don't agree with it.

When I was at primary school, we didn't get homework. When i went to high school, I felt all grown up coming home for the first week saying " oh yes, I just have to go to my room and do my homeworks" :D it didn't last long like, but it's because it was new.

shillelagh 11-03-2008 19:46

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When i was at the high school we were all given a book to read Charlottes Web - i brought it home and read it even though i was supposed to read it in class with everyone else - a rule breaker when i was 11!!! Nowts changed as it!!

Anyway agree with the top class getting homework say once a week - to get them used to it so its not as big a shock when they go to high school.

panther 11-03-2008 19:53

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Originally Posted by slinky (Post 544425)
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Mine get Homework every Wednesday, written homework. Then they get a book to read over the weekend.

I make them do it, course I do, but I don't agree with it.

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my son fetches his book home to read every monday, wednesday and friday and does maths at the weekend....which gives em no time to play much:(

SamF 11-03-2008 20:00

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Primary School = No

High School = if relevant, so many times we got h/w that was just for the sake of giving h/w so teachers looked like they were working, it should be as and when rather than a set number of times a week.

cashman 11-03-2008 20:27

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Originally Posted by SamF (Post 544446)
Primary School = No

High School = if relevant, so many times we got h/w that was just for the sake of giving h/w so teachers looked like they were working, it should be as and when rather than a set number of times a week.

that sounds reasonable to me,remember way back when,we got 2/3 lots of homework at the tech per evening, way to much n if it was relavant most didn't sink in cos there was too bloody much. gotta say felt much of it was just for the sake of givin it.:(

Lilly 11-03-2008 20:41

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My children have had homework right from the start of primary school, in reception class. I don't mind, I think it's a good thing. It's only simple things like reading books, spellings and worksheets.

cashman 11-03-2008 20:45

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 544475)
My children have had homework right from the start of primary school, in reception class. I don't mind, I think it's a good thing. It's only simple things like reading books, spellings and worksheets.

would also agree with that, its when it gets beyond simple things n they swamp kids with it i disagree.

katex 11-03-2008 20:56

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Of course they should get homework .. gives them an introduction to self-motivation. !

Primary school does not give more than 1/2 hour per night .. usually to learn times tables, spellings, read a chapter of the book they are studying .. what is wrong with that ? Well, that was my experience with my children .. they didn't mind at all, as when they had the test next day .. came up with 10/10 .. what's better than that ? Was not just their homework, was mine too .. had to spend time testing them.

Later at secondary .. grew from 1 hour/3 hours, depending on subject/course work (which has to be done out of school). Still plenty of time for play/after school activities.

'Course not every child is academic, but the time spent 'after hours' (which let's face it are short), well worth the extra to set them on the basics.

Believe me, if they get to University, will have to learn to be self-motivated and burn the midnight oil, nobody will mamby-pamby them then, ask Blazey or Cyfr.

My son (25) and daughter (43) are still doing extra courses (out of hours) to further their career and pleased that they were taught the discipline of 'homework' early in their life.

Lilly 11-03-2008 21:02

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 544480)
Of course they should get homework .. gives them an introduction to self-motivation. !

Primary school does not give more than 1/2 hour per night .. usually to learn times tables, spellings, read a chapter of the book they are studying .. what is wrong with that ? Well, that was my experience with my children .. they didn't mind at all, as when they had the test next day .. came up with 10/10 .. what's better than that ? Was not just their homework, was mine too .. had to spend time testing them.

Later at secondary .. grew from 1 hour/3 hours, depending on subject/course work (which has to be done out of school). Still plenty of time for play/after school activities.

'Course not every child is academic, but the time spent 'after hours' (which let's face it are short), well worth the extra to set them on the basics.

Believe me, if they get to University, will have to learn to be self-motivated and burn the midnight oil, nobody will mamby-pamby them then, ask Blazey or Cyfr.

My son (25) and daughter (43) are still doing extra courses (out of hours) to further their career and pleased that they were taught the discipline of 'homework' early in their life.

Wise words as always, Katex. :)

ANNE 11-03-2008 23:13

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they should have home work like reading spelling and practising their spellings and times tables in junior school.
but they shouldn't be over whelmed with it.

blazey 12-03-2008 01:26

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I used to love reading my school book, and I also agree with homework from a primary school age.

reason number 1 : it is never too early to be disciplined into deadlines and routine

reason number 2: it gives parents the opportunity to take part in their childrens education

reason number 3: it helps a child learn outside the classroom and communicate with their parents more about issues in the classroom.

I wasn't a huge fan of homework at high school I must admit, and I never did it, but I deeply wish that I had now because at college I wasn't disciplined enough at home to make myself work on my own initiative, and I still procrastinate over studying at uni.

I do however like to get my little sister to read to me, and whilst she doesn't have a love for it like I did, I think she does appreciate that someones has an interest at home, and she knows that by us nagging to listen to her reading or help with homework.

I think it's all very important, though it has to be a reasonable amount or it can be demoralizing. Maybe some things should just be made voluntary but have emphasis on rewards if you do decide to do the home work?

blazey 12-03-2008 01:31

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What I will add to that is that a lot of the problem is the poorly educated parents who didn't necessarily get such a good education in their day. Not all parents can read and do maths as easily as some children and the parents can cause problems with homework too...

I imagine this is less and less as time goes by though with the more accessible education system, but there are still families with these kind of issues.

Neil 12-03-2008 08:45

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 544539)
reason number 1 : it is never too early to be disciplined into deadlines and routine

reason number 2: it gives parents the opportunity to take part in their childrens education

reason number 3: it helps a child learn outside the classroom and communicate with their parents more about issues in the classroom.

Just occasionally you speak a lot of sense.

Children need homework to help them progress. You can't really expect them to only learn in school. Parents have to help out as well. Reading is one of the most important things a child can do. Even from a young age our children have brought home reading, spellings and maths homework. I wish I could spell as well as my 10 year old, he would beat me hands down in a spelling test :o. His spelling ability is due mainly to the amount of reading he does.

blazey 12-03-2008 20:00

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 544584)
Just occasionally you speak a lot of sense.

Children need homework to help them progress. You can't really expect them to only learn in school. Parents have to help out as well. Reading is one of the most important things a child can do. Even from a young age our children have brought home reading, spellings and maths homework. I wish I could spell as well as my 10 year old, he would beat me hands down in a spelling test :o. His spelling ability is due mainly to the amount of reading he does.

Well I think it's very important and I would NEVER suggest stopping reading or spellings and timetables. It's very important that people like you think that homework is beneficial, as it has other benefits too.

Imagine if your children feel uncomfortable talking to their teacher for whatever reason and sit silently struggling? Or if they're bullied and feel too intimidated to speak up and ask for help in the class room? If they're used to you helping them with homework, they will be used to being able to ask you for help, and a bullied child who can feel comfortable asking for your help can make so much difference to their education, and so many children get bullied and just grin and bear it.

That's the way I see things anyway, it's not just about teaching them the subjects, it's about teaching them all sorts of things, and I'd be surprised if someone said there shouldn't be any homework at all.

egg&chips 20-03-2008 22:41

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 544540)
What I will add to that is that a lot of the problem is the poorly educated parents who didn't necessarily get such a good education in their day. Not all parents can read and do maths as easily as some children and the parents can cause problems with homework too...

I imagine this is less and less as time goes by though with the more accessible education system, but there are still families with these kind of issues.

You are letting your imagination run away with you then Blazey. Unfortunately homework is one of the things which highlights the kids who have parents who take an interest in, and value their offspring's eduvation and those who don't give a darn.

I get kids from all sorts of backgrounds who perform well (or not) in class, but when homework goes out, the kids with "involved" parents bring it back in done (whether the kids are bright or not). Meanwhile, the parents who adopt a more laissez-faire attitude to school attainment often can't even give their kids an environment where they can sit and do their homework, be it reading, worksheets, planning or even times tables learning.

As a result the attitude of the well supported kids leads them to develop what talent they have whilst those without as much backup rely on their own natural ability more, and slowly slip into the abyss of doing b***er all with their lives.

Not that I'm generalising at all...

MargaretR 20-03-2008 23:22

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Since they are finishing the school day at 3pm they had better have some to make up the lost learning time

garinda 20-03-2008 23:31

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 549384)
Since they are finishing the school day at 3pm they had better have some to make up the lost learning time

I'm in agreement.

All those lost half hours, over a ten year period, equals a lot of missed learning, months in fact.

jaysay 21-03-2008 10:12

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Things have changed since I was at school, we started at 9am 1hr and half for lunch, finshed at 4pm, I don't now what the hours are now, but there allways seems to be kids walking up and down all day. kids under 11 shouldn't get homework, you know the old say All Work and no play makes Jack (and Jill) dull person, got to be PC. Homework is a must in later school years when pushing for exams but not before

mumtotwo 21-03-2008 11:22

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I had to respond to this post!
I have a DD who is 7 yrs old and last year when we where about a week from going on holiday her teacher asked to speak to me.Apparantly my DD had been asking her every day if she could have some work sheets to take on holiday with her.
She comes home every friday with 2 work sheets and we sit for 20 mins after DS has gone to bed and read her reading book with her.We write in her book about how she has done and when she has finished it she just changes it so we arnt reading the same thing all week.
I love sitting down with her doing home work and reading because i feel i am part of her learning.
I also read to my DS every night who is 3yrs old.
Like it was said on an earlier post it is important to have the basics before they start school.
Bernie x:)

MargaretR 21-03-2008 11:38

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translate 'DD' and 'DS' please :confused:

BERNADETTE 21-03-2008 13:09

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 549517)
translate 'DD' and 'DS' please :confused:

At a guess Darling Daughter and Darling Son;)

derekgas 21-03-2008 13:28

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Homework imo should be given in the last 2 years of secondary school, primary school definately not, they could also have less holidays, the primary school homework causes parents to have less 'play' time with the kids, and usually has to be supervised to some degree which ties parents up doing what teachers are paid to do.

Tin Monkey 22-03-2008 05:29

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 549569)
the primary school homework causes parents to have less 'play' time with the kids, and usually has to be supervised to some degree which ties parents up doing what teachers are paid to do.

So parents have no responsibility for their child's education, because people are paid to educate your children for you?

As others have said, there is a tonne of research proving that children who continue to learn at home with their parents (or just have high levels of parental interest in general) perform much better. The amount of homework set by the teacher wouldn't be necessary if all children were educationally stimulated at home, but unfortunately that isn't the case. Too many people have the opinion that education is something that only happens in school.

Blazey got it spot on with her earlier post. Homework does help to bridge the gap between home and school. For too many people they see the two environments as separate and unrelated.

steeljack 22-03-2008 06:17

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 549388)
I'm in agreement.

All those lost half hours, over a ten year period, equals a lot of missed learning, months in fact.

Just an excuse to extend the school leaving age , the kids aren't learning more , just the same but over an extended period of time , and it probably keeps the unemployment numbers down

lancsdave 22-03-2008 08:23

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 549388)
I'm in agreement.

All those lost half hours, over a ten year period, equals a lot of missed learning, months in fact.


I don't think you will find there are any lost half hours. The school day is more compact. As Jaysay said used to be start at 9am, finish at 4pm, hour and half for dinner and if i remember correctly morning and afternnon breaks.

My daughters school now starts at 8.45, 15 minute morning break and 50 minute lunch break. No afternoon break.

blazey 22-03-2008 08:36

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It is only a GOOD thing if it is highlighted which children are and aren't getting help at home with homework. Teachers can then speak to the childs parents and encourage them to take an active role, and if they don't want to then at least the child can be given extra support whilst at school.

Primary school is the most important stage in a childs education, and I think it's vital that you build on as many different skills as possible whilst at school, both inside and outside of the school atmosphere.

Perhaps I'm just very naive because I loved learning at primary school, and I was a bright child so I didn't have to have any extra help, but I saw people who struggled and I even used to go round to my friends house to help her with her spelling. I've just always seen the importance in it, and it deeply saddens me when other people don't understand that value.

suzster 22-03-2008 08:46

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I think that more time should be spent in school with less holidays and then there would be less need for homework. Some famillies are better skilled and resourced at helping/supervising with homework than others.

Then again I would like to see kids playing out until all hours like we did - I loved my childhood - but I think that those days (sadly) may be long gone.

blazey 22-03-2008 11:23

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I don't think I came from a specially well resourced family, I just got sent home with my reading books, words to learn on pieces of card and spellings and times tables. What more do you need?

Tin Monkey 22-03-2008 21:17

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 550031)
I don't think I came from a specially well resourced family, I just got sent home with my reading books, words to learn on pieces of card and spellings and times tables. What more do you need?

Good point. Resources needn't cost anything at all. The key factor is parental interest and nothing more. In all the research I've looked at parental interest outweighs all other factors, including material and cultural deprivation.

BERNADETTE 22-03-2008 21:23

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What is wrong with parents today?There is nothing more rewarding than watching your child progress in their education. Surely it is not to much to ask that you spare half an hour to an hour to sit and read or do maths with kids if it is beneficial to them. I gave always been an avid reader and am proud that my kids and grandchildren are the same. Reading is such a big help in all areas of education.

grego 22-03-2008 22:19

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My daughter is 5 and brings home reading books, spellings and tasks for maths, we tend to do a little bit every night, I dont think this is too much, I dont know how much she'll be getting in a few years time at primary but I think if its around 15-30 mins per night its ok.

BERNADETTE 22-03-2008 22:26

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I have found with my grandchildren who come here to do their homework that in older years at primary school it tends to be stuff they just look up on the internet. So I think you should enjoy the time you spend together.

Benipete 23-03-2008 01:17

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Well I've got a problem with the comp. But the 9yr old granddaughter will sort me out.Started doing homework when she was 2.Can shear a sheep in 3 mins and down 3 cans of ice cold lager about the same time.Am it right ore wat

derekgas 23-03-2008 08:31

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There are divisions on this, and they are obvious, some people either dont work, or work part time/short hours, others have a longer working day, we leave at 7am, me to work, my partner and the kids to the child minders (who does help with homework), my partner usually finishes work between 5 and 5.30, I finish when work runs out, (dependent on public demand), first home (usually 6 ish) starts the evening meal, then the cleaning up, clothes for next day, baths etc, we could help out with homework at about 8pm I suppose, but as we try to get the children to sleep by this time (due to rising at 6), it would be difficult, so, do we show our kids that it is good to have a disciplined routine, to work hard and keep off benefits, or stay home and help with homework? We dont physically have time to do homework at home.

blazey 23-03-2008 08:43

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 550467)
There are divisions on this, and they are obvious, some people either dont work, or work part time/short hours, others have a longer working day, we leave at 7am, me to work, my partner and the kids to the child minders (who does help with homework), my partner usually finishes work between 5 and 5.30, I finish when work runs out, (dependent on public demand), first home (usually 6 ish) starts the evening meal, then the cleaning up, clothes for next day, baths etc, we could help out with homework at about 8pm I suppose, but as we try to get the children to sleep by this time (due to rising at 6), it would be difficult, so, do we show our kids that it is good to have a disciplined routine, to work hard and keep off benefits, or stay home and help with homework? We dont physically have time to do homework at home.

I assume you have time to speak to your child though and ask whether they are happy? Does homework not come into the general first conversation of the day you have with your child once you finish work?

From what I remember as a child, my mums first questions were always, have I had a nice day and do I have any homework to do. Two most important questions to ask in my opinion, can't even think of anything else that was important other than have I eaten well.

derekgas 23-03-2008 08:59

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[quote=blazey;550469]I assume you have time to speak to your child though and ask whether they are happy? Does homework not come into the general first conversation of the day you have with your child once you finish work?

Yes of course, we have general chatter about thier day, and simple decision making on everyday stuff, which type of skirt to wear tomorrow, (them not me or our boy), and what the next days evening meal should be, this is just general organisational/decision making stuff, and imo is as important as the 'paper' homework that I was referring to from school.

lancsdave 23-03-2008 09:45

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 550467)
There are divisions on this, and they are obvious,

Of course there are. If children came with instruction manuals and parenting was as easy as some make out then there would be no divisions and we would all be the same. Now stop working so hard and trying to give your kids a good standard of living and conform to the rules as they are written in black and white :D

derekgas 23-03-2008 09:48

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 550478)
Of course there are. If children came with instruction manuals and parenting was as easy as some make out then there would be no divisions and we would all be the same. Now stop working so hard and trying to give your kids a good standard of living and conform to the rules as they are written in black and white :D

yes sir, please sir! may I go to the toilet? :D

blazey 23-03-2008 14:48

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[quote=derekgas;550470]
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 550469)
I assume you have time to speak to your child though and ask whether they are happy? Does homework not come into the general first conversation of the day you have with your child once you finish work?

Yes of course, we have general chatter about thier day, and simple decision making on everyday stuff, which type of skirt to wear tomorrow, (them not me or our boy), and what the next days evening meal should be, this is just general organisational/decision making stuff, and imo is as important as the 'paper' homework that I was referring to from school.

I guess everyone can't make time for their childrens education. God forbid we take a break from accyweb to guide the next generation. They can just go on the dole after all if it doesn't work out alright, or let them also slave away for hours on end just to make ends meet.

If we could get through life just discussing whats for tea that evening, what to wear etc, that would be absolutely wonderful, but unfortunately in this day and age a well disciplined child with a top notch education is going to get further in life than the one who's parents didn't have time for them. Most 'standard' jobs, i.e. the ones that you only need GCSE's for, wont get you enough money to get on the property ladder, because you can't afford the 10% (minimum) deposit.

It is NEVER too early to encourage your children to take an active interest in school whilst at home. Because it's that interest for learning that will make the difference when they're 16/18.

derekgas 23-03-2008 14:57

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Interesting and no doubt genuine idea, you will have a better understanding of what I am saying, when you have children of your own.

blazey 23-03-2008 15:15

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 550598)
Interesting and no doubt genuine idea, you will have a better understanding of what I am saying, when you have children of your own.

Well I have very young brother and sister who I take an interest in. My brother gets taken to the library regularly and I check my sisters homework when I'm home.

Am I going to get to 30 and still have the 'you wouldnt know, you don't have kids' theory?

Many teachers are in their 20's these days and don't have kids either, but they'll still nag you to help your child with their homework.

davo69 23-03-2008 15:19

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work should be left at work schooling should be left at school any other time should be family time

blazey 23-03-2008 15:22

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Originally Posted by davo69 (Post 550615)
work should be left at work schooling should be left at school any other time should be family time

In that case then, never send kids to university, because they wont be able to apply that mentality there.

davo69 23-03-2008 15:26

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 550622)
In that case then, never send kids to university, because they wont be able to apply that mentality there.

i would never send them they would wont to go and change there life style

Tin Monkey 23-03-2008 15:27

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Originally Posted by davo69 (Post 550615)
work should be left at work schooling should be left at school any other time should be family time

Meanwhile, in the real world............... :rolleyes:

Lilly 23-03-2008 15:28

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Originally Posted by davo69 (Post 550615)
work should be left at work schooling should be left at school any other time should be family time


Do you mean you can't be fagged to do homework with your kids?

Tin Monkey 23-03-2008 15:29

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 550598)
Interesting and no doubt genuine idea, you will have a better understanding of what I am saying, when you have children of your own.

Ahhhh.... there's the old chestnut. I was wondering where that had got to.

You might as well give up Blazey. Don't you understand that the only way that you can ever gain knowledge of anything is through experiencing it?
That's why I don't believe anything Stephen Hawking writes, as he's never been in a black hole. ;)

davo69 23-03-2008 15:31

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 550628)
Do you mean you can't be fagged to do homework with your kids?

not at all i spend and have spent more time with my children after school doing home work than most people doesnt meen i agree with it

katex 23-03-2008 15:33

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Originally Posted by davo69 (Post 550615)
work should be left at work schooling should be left at school any other time should be family time

I think when they are at primary school, helping them through their small amount of homework is family time. Take reading .. you would normally buy them books and read to them wouldn't you ? Helping them with the words, etc. You are educating your children all the time whether it's how to plant a hyacinth bulb in a pot or showing your lad how to change a plug.

You teach them to count and learn the colours at a very early age .. all education :confused: So not too sure exactly what you mean by family time davo69.

Ok .. when they get to secondary school, can be a little difficult, because you have forgotten half of the things they are given. Just as long as you can give them a decent space and ask to see their homework book and then enquire if it is done .. maybe just ask to see it/what marks they got for last's weeks homework, that's all that may be required.

derekgas 23-03-2008 15:35

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As I said earlier, homework for my kids is usually done at the childminders, leaving our limited 'family' time for play, games, cooking, cleaning, ironing, my 'homework', and accyweb, in that order.

emamum 23-03-2008 15:37

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homework is to bridge the gap between home and school. too many parents see them as 2 different things and take no interest in what the childen are doing. This leaves the children thinking that its unimportant and these children are very hard to teach..

In a education setting there sometimes up to 30 children to 2 educators, some children may get missed out, usually the quiet ones and homework means that sometimes the parents can spot these problems and point them out to the teacher. A parent is the child first educator and it is important for the child to carry on this relationship.

Partnership with parents is very popular at the moment in educatiion settings and this means involving the parents in their child education as much as possible. this ensures the child can see the importance of school and also helps them to feel more comfortable in the setting, knowing that thei parents are happy with it.

Homework also allows the child to 'show off' to their parents what they can do and they SHOULD get much more praise for it than they would in a busy classroom. I enjoy the one to one time i get with my son when he is doing his homework, in our very very busy lives it is sometimes difficult to find time to sit down with one child and give them the attention that they need, not always because we are busy, they have things to do as well. apart from doing their homework you also get chance to chat with them about things that are bothering them, things that have happened.

blazey 23-03-2008 15:39

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Originally Posted by davo69 (Post 550625)
i would never send them they would wont to go and change there life style

Most children who have had an interest from their parents don't need to be sent, they go willingly. University is the best place in the world :D

I can't believe that you think you don't need to engage your child in education at home. Did you let your child go to school without being able to speak or know colours etc? Why does it stop being your job just because they reach a certain age?

cashman 23-03-2008 15:39

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just a thought,when mine were young we both used to help with homework etc,but were struggling with certain things, i was very good with maths at school, but found their homework was alien to what i had learnt, possibly the fact of decimalisation who knows, but basically we did not have a clue.:o

blazey 23-03-2008 15:40

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 550634)
As I said earlier, homework for my kids is usually done at the childminders, leaving our limited 'family' time for play, games, cooking, cleaning, ironing, my 'homework', and accyweb, in that order.

So your child minder has a more active role about the most important part of your childrens lives than you do. Does that not make you sad?

emamum 23-03-2008 15:41

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I have to say... i have given my 'professional' opinion. But as a parent i can aso see that its a pain in the ass sometimes. especially when the child doesnt want to do it.

derekgas 23-03-2008 15:41

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Best explanation of what everybody else was trying to say emma, good on you! And though I agree in priciple, in practice it isn't quite that easy with 4 youngsters and 2 working parents.

Lilly 23-03-2008 15:44

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 550638)
just a thought,when mine were young we both used to help with homework etc,but were struggling with certain things, i was very good with maths at school, but found their homework was alien to what i had learnt, possibly the fact of decimalisation who knows, but basically we did not have a clue.:o


These days, if parents do not feel that they have the knowledge to help with homework, they can brush up their Maths and English skills on various free courses that are currently available. I understand that some parents may be reluctant to try to help if they are not very good at Maths and English themselves but there isn't an excuse for not getting yourself signed up for one of these courses if that's the case.

blazey 23-03-2008 15:45

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And to add to that, I just thought of a lovely scenario of what is wrong with someone else doing that for you.

Imagine you send your young toddler to the child minders, not such a strong speaker yet because daddy cant be bothered, and she thinks it'd be nice to teach your chil the word 'Mummy' with a picture book. Woah and behold, the child associates the lady holding baby as the child minder and thinks SHE'S mummy.

Then comes the confusion and upset when they're having to be taught NOT to do that, when initially saying the word was praised.

Pretty extreme but some youngsters have to spend more time with their child minders than their parents. When you end up with a 14yr old who goes off the rails because they have a poor relationship with you because they think theyre a burden when they ask for help with school, you'll know why.

cashman 23-03-2008 15:47

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 550642)
These days, if parents do not feel that they have the knowledge to help with homework, they can brush up their Maths and English skills on various free courses that are currently available. I understand that some parents may be reluctant to try to help if they are not very good at Maths and English themselves but there isn't an excuse for not getting yourself signed up for one of these courses if that's the case.

not knocking yer suggestion,lilly can see difficulties for people that work unsociable hours n theirs quite a few of those.

lancsdave 23-03-2008 15:49

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 550643)
And to add to that, I just thought of a lovely scenario of what is wrong with someone else doing that for you.

Imagine you send your young toddler to the child minders, not such a strong speaker yet because daddy cant be bothered, and she thinks it'd be nice to teach your chil the word 'Mummy' with a picture book. Woah and behold, the child associates the lady holding baby as the child minder and thinks SHE'S mummy.

Then comes the confusion and upset when they're having to be taught NOT to do that, when initially saying the word was praised.

Pretty extreme but some youngsters have to spend more time with their child minders than their parents. When you end up with a 14yr old who goes off the rails because they have a poor relationship with you because they think theyre a burden when they ask for help with school, you'll know why.


Seems to me you get confused very easily with parents who can't be bothered and parents who try their best to balance their childrens lives with a mixture of family time and going out to work to actually finance the upbringing of their child.

Seems to me there is no win with you, if parents are on benefits you critiscise and if parents work you critiscise. Troll

derekgas 23-03-2008 15:50

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 550639)
So your child minder has a more active role about the most important part of your childrens lives than you do. Does that not make you sad?

Yes it does, what would make me sadder is the prospect that, should any of them turn out clever enough to go to uni, that I may not be able to afford it, it is a balance, and is at present the best arrangement for all concerned, and is of course much better than just not being done at all.

davo69 23-03-2008 15:52

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i feel at times to much pressure is put on young minds yes you educate your children in hundredes of ways but putting constent pressure on any person is not healthey over six hours schooling is more than enough making children come home and learn 20 spellings for yet another test is more presure

emamum 23-03-2008 15:53

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I'm sorry, but you can see the difference in the children whose parents sit and do their homework with them and the ones whose dont. I use to listen to th children reading their reading books and too many times you could tell that the child hadnt read at home. there were children that had been there 6 months and there was not one parental comment in the book. thats sad. If the parent is uninterested in what the child does for most of its time (33 hours a week.) then what does that teach the child? If mum or dad are not intereseted in their homework, why should they be? If mum or dad wont listen to them read then its not important is it? so why should they bother?


I have tried really hard to keep out of this argument!

Lilly 23-03-2008 15:54

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 550645)
not knocking yer suggestion,lilly can see difficulties for people that work unsociable hours n theirs quite a few of those.

I think they run in the evenings aswell as during the day time so most people should be ok.

cashman 23-03-2008 15:59

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 550656)
I think they run in the evenings aswell as during the day time so most people should be ok.

was refering to shift workers lilly. n if yer put on 12 hr days n nights alternate. very difficult.

Lilly 23-03-2008 16:00

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 550654)
I'm sorry, but you can see the difference in the children whose parents sit and do their homework with them and the ones whose dont. I use to listen to th children reading their reading books and too many times you could tell that the child hadnt read at home. there were children that had been there 6 months and there was not one parental comment in the book. thats sad. If the parent is uninterested in what the child does for most of its time (33 hours a week.) then what does that teach the child? If mum or dad are not intereseted in their homework, why should they be? If mum or dad wont listen to them read then its not important is it? so why should they bother?


I have tried really hard to keep out of this argument!

You are right. Parental apathy is one of the biggest scourges of our schools today. Some parents seem to think that school is just free childminding. They don't seem to grasp the fact that they too need to put some effort into the child's learning.

Lilly 23-03-2008 16:01

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 550658)
was refering to shift workers lilly. n if yer put on 12 hr days n nights alternate. very difficult.

Yes, it would be difficult in those circumstances.

emamum 23-03-2008 16:01

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Some school run classes alongside the childrens and you usually learn what they are learning. I am lucky i suppose, Ty i still in my age range professionally, i am qualified up to age 8.

Adding to this, Ty has just had 2 weeks off school because of the op. i went to the teacher and asked her to write down what topics they would be covering because i dont want him to fall behind. i suppose i would be classed as a pushy parent. we follow the national curriculum at home as well and i regularly give him extra work to do because i want him to reach his full potential. unfortunately not all children are able to do this in an education setting, and that i have learnt from my experiences as a teaching assistant.

Lilly 23-03-2008 16:03

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 550661)
Some school run classes alongside the childrens and you usually learn what they are learning. I am lucky i suppose, Ty i still in my age range professionally, i am qualified up to age 8.

Adding to this, Ty has just had 2 weeks off school because of the op. i went to the teacher and asked her to write down what topics they would be covering because i dont want him to fall behind. i suppose i would be classed as a pushy parent. we follow the national curriculum at hom as well and i regularly give him extra work to do because i want him to reach his full potential. unfortunately not all children are able to do this in an education setting, and that i have learnt from my experiences as a teaching assistant.

Don't worry, emamum. I'd rather be thought of as a pushy parent than the other sort. :)

It sounds like you're doing a fine job.:)

blazey 23-03-2008 16:03

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Originally Posted by davo69 (Post 550652)
i feel at times to much pressure is put on young minds yes you educate your children in hundredes of ways but putting constent pressure on any person is not healthey over six hours schooling is more than enough making children come home and learn 20 spellings for yet another test is more presure

And how do you think they feel when they do rubbish in class because mummy and daddy don't believe in doing homework?

You can tell the difference between a child who gets help at home and a child that doesn't. Practice gives EVERYONE confidence, doesn't matter what age you are.

I used to love spelling :( and reading... I believe thats own to the way I was brought up. I still have all my favourite books as a child too, because I enjoyed them so much. I am a strong believer that any child can be a high achiever with the right parental attitude. And a bad attitude towards homework isn't the right way.

cashman 23-03-2008 16:03

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 550659)
You are right. Parental apathy is one of the biggest scourges of our schools today. Some parents seem to think that school is just free childminding. They don't seem to grasp the fact that they too need to put some effort into the child's learning.

i agree with that,but some cant see those that aren't apathetic who do their best around earning a living n helping when possible n that to me is narrow minded.

Lilly 23-03-2008 16:06

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 550664)
i agree with that,but some cant see those that aren't apathetic who do their best around earning a living n helping when possible n that to me is narrow minded.

Yes, I realise that some have very busy lives and do their best. I was referring to the ones who just don't give a monkey's.

cashman 23-03-2008 16:08

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 550666)
Yes, I realise that some have very busy lives and do their best. I was referring to the ones who just don't give a monkey's.

i know you were some were not n they know who they are.:D

panther 23-03-2008 17:41

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I dont believe in homework for primary school kids, as i stated earlier in the thread...BUT he does get it and i DO help him with it, I just think kids should play more instead of having books in thier faces all the time:(

blazey 23-03-2008 18:25

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 550693)
I dont believe in homework for primary school kids, as i stated earlier in the thread...BUT he does get it and i DO help him with it, I just think kids should play more instead of having books in thier faces all the time:(

They shouldn't ever have books in front of them all the time. They don't make homework difficult for primary school children, it's all stuff they've done in class already, so they'd only be like that if they didn't understand it and had nobody to help them.

I wish I'd been given more to be truthful. I regret not being disciplined with myself at school and letting it slide. Paying the price now.

emamum 23-03-2008 18:34

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what would you all be saying if the schools decided to stop giving the children homework and instead took away their play times to fit in the extra work?

lancsdave 23-03-2008 18:35

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 550741)
what would you all be saying if the schools decided to stop giving the children homework and instead took away their play times to fit in the extra work?


I'd say the person who made the decision is a moron

emamum 23-03-2008 18:39

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what other option is there if you want homework scrapped? the children would have to do the work. I kno it seems like a long time but it is really difficult, the teachers have to teach the children according to the national curriculum, within the time given and in a way they will all understand. you also have to remember that not all children will understand it the first time and they sometimes need to go over it a few times.

lancsdave 23-03-2008 18:42

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 550749)
you also have to remember that not all children will understand it the first time and they sometimes need to go over it a few times.

In which case why give children all the same homework, those who need more time to understand it will not do it because they need extra tuition. If the bright ones are doing the work in class why do they need homework.

derekgas 23-03-2008 18:45

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The way I remember, the teachers were aware who picked things up quickly, and sat them near to each other, then slower ones, then the slowest ones, after work was given out they proceeded to the other groups, this ended in virtual 1 on 1 if anybody was really struggling, I would have thought this still worked and was still actioned.

emamum 23-03-2008 18:45

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they should get different homework... some schools do that, the point is tho tat the parent can give the extra help if the child needs it

emamum 23-03-2008 18:46

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 550754)
The way I remember, the teachers were aware who picked things up quickly, and sat them near to each other, then slower ones, then the slowest ones, after work was given out they proceeded to the other groups, this ended in virtual 1 on 1 if anybody was really struggling, I would have thought this still worked and was still actioned.

thats the way it usually works. the lower ability children or the ones they are aware will need help usually end up with a teaching assistant sat with them.

blazey 23-03-2008 18:47

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 550751)
In which case why give children all the same homework, those who need more time to understand it will not do it because they need extra tuition. If the bright ones are doing the work in class why do they need homework.


EQUALITY - that lovely thing Labour preach on about :D

Bright children probably benefit just as much because it teaches them discipline at home. Nobody is perfect at everything no matter how bright they are :p

I was top of the class and I don't know my 8 times tables as well as the others :p I blame my mum :D

EDIT: different abilities got different homework at the primary school I went to. Also had 1 on 1 teaching help for the slower ones.

lancsdave 23-03-2008 18:53

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 550758)
EQUALITY - that lovely thing Labour preach on about :D


I always thought that was communism :cool:

egg&chips 24-03-2008 22:52

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IMHO homework is educational smoke and mirrors. The government have paid for "research" to show how beneficial it is to learners' progress, and so the research shows that homework IS beneficial. Because of this, it is touted far and wide as one of the main features of a successful school and of good teaching and learning. Parents who care demand it (and rightly so if it is helpful). However, the sad truth of the matter in the vast majority of cases is that those who do the homework rarely need to and those who need the reinforcement that homework can provide often don't do it. It's like parents' evening when the kids parents who don't need to worry turn up, but those who you are desperate to see don't come and can't be bothered to make alternative arrangements. I know that working parents have issues with such things but there are many ways and means of taking an interest in your kids' schooling

cashman 24-03-2008 23:15

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Originally Posted by egg&chips (Post 551486)
IMHO homework is educational smoke and mirrors. The government have paid for "research" to show how beneficial it is to learners' progress, and so the research shows that homework IS beneficial. Because of this, it is touted far and wide as one of the main features of a successful school and of good teaching and learning. Parents who care demand it (and rightly so if it is helpful). However, the sad truth of the matter in the vast majority of cases is that those who do the homework rarely need to and those who need the reinforcement that homework can provide often don't do it. It's like parents' evening when the kids parents who don't need to worry turn up, but those who you are desperate to see don't come and can't be bothered to make alternative arrangements. I know that working parents have issues with such things but there are many ways and means of taking an interest in your kids' schooling

ahh much commonsense in this post, i always worked 12 hrs shifts when kids were young - had to to provide, but i NEVER missed a parents night.;)

blazey 25-03-2008 00:54

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Originally Posted by egg&chips (Post 551486)
IMHO homework is educational smoke and mirrors. The government have paid for "research" to show how beneficial it is to learners' progress, and so the research shows that homework IS beneficial. Because of this, it is touted far and wide as one of the main features of a successful school and of good teaching and learning. Parents who care demand it (and rightly so if it is helpful). However, the sad truth of the matter in the vast majority of cases is that those who do the homework rarely need to and those who need the reinforcement that homework can provide often don't do it. It's like parents' evening when the kids parents who don't need to worry turn up, but those who you are desperate to see don't come and can't be bothered to make alternative arrangements. I know that working parents have issues with such things but there are many ways and means of taking an interest in your kids' schooling

I don't fit into that :p but I guess homework at primary school has changed since I was at school too. So maybe that is the case now.


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