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pipinfort 29-04-2008 14:39

Bio Diesel.
 
With the ever increasing price of petrol & diesel i was wondering if anyone on accyweb uses or has used Bio Diesel. If you have`nt would you ? if you do would you recommend it...?

shillelagh 29-04-2008 14:45

Re: Bio Diesel.
 
A friend of mine has his cars modified for this as soon as he buys them - oh and he doesnt go for a nice little car - he was driving jags round. And he says it works out cheaper for him to get them modified. He gets it in hassy off carrs industrial estate.

pipinfort 29-04-2008 14:51

Re: Bio Diesel.
 
Are you sure he uses Bio Diesel and not Gas? as far as i am aware most new cars don`t need modifying for Bio Diesel but they do for gas, i also know someone who uses gas and he save quite a bit, i think its about £1500 for the conversion and 60 odd p a litre, whereas at the monment Bio iesel is about 97.9p per litre.

entwisi 29-04-2008 14:53

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I use Gas, it is around 1500 to convert but gas is only 51.9p/litre. I drive a 200bhp 2.5 turbo volvo and achieve teh same as 50mpg at quick motorway speeds

There are Diesel Jags but I do think in this case its an LPG conversion.

I believe Neil of this parish ran on Bio diesel for a while, I'm sure he will be along to comment soon

shillelagh 29-04-2008 14:55

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he told me to keep going to the chippy seeing as that is what his was running on ....

entwisi 29-04-2008 19:48

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could have been a home brew diesel conversion as a few have been done but then its not a proper Jag! ;)

flashy 29-04-2008 20:30

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stupid question Ian but could you not have both gas and petrol in a jag with most of them having two fuel tanks?

entwisi 29-04-2008 20:42

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whilst its technically possible its not likely. To make a engine run on gas and diesel it has to be a diesel engine to start with and you then have to add a full spark ignition system to it. There is one Taxi in accy funny enough that is a diesel one that can run on gas but it was done at great cost as an experiment to show it was possible. I have NEVER heard of another gas/DERV engines car in any of teh LPG forums I go on.

PS, you gan't put gas in a 'standard' tank. it needs a pressureised cylinder or toroidal tank.

PPS, I don't think that modern jags still have that twin tank system.....

K.S.H 29-04-2008 20:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 569323)
stupid question Ian but could you not have both gas and petrol in a jag with most of them having two fuel tanks?

All conversions will run on gas and petrol, not diesel though

flashy 29-04-2008 20:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 569335)
PPS, I don't think that modern jags still have that twin tank system.....


ahhhhhhhhhhhh i didnt know that

K.S.H 29-04-2008 20:50

Re: Bio Diesel.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 569335)

PPS, I don't think that modern jags still have that twin tank system.....

I had a 1986 and they had done away with the twin tanks then, could possibly still have em on the big engined models, mine was only a baby jag with a 3.6 in it :D

flashy 29-04-2008 20:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 569344)
I had a 1986 and they had done away with the twin tanks then, could possibly still have em on the big engined models, mine was only a baby jag with a 3.6 in it :D



my mates fella used to buy old jags, do them up then sell them on, they where mainly older ones, he had some gorgeous looking ones though

K.S.H 29-04-2008 20:57

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Mines not so gorgeous now, was bought by an insurance fraudster, wrapped it up with a BMW, 7 occupants total in both cars all with back/neck injuries, had fraud squad round here, ringleader/buyer of the two cars got jailed, not sure what happened to the rest - the fraud guys were the best people I have ever spoken to about cars/driving, told me of the latest scam etc that were going round at the time and what to watch out for

flashy 29-04-2008 20:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 569353)
Mines not so gorgeous now, was bought by an insurance fraudster, wrapped it up with a BMW, 7 occupants total in both cars all with back/neck injuries, had fraud squad round here, ringleader/buyer of the two cars got jailed, not sure what happened to the rest


chuffin ell :eek:

entwisi 29-04-2008 21:01

Re: Bio Diesel.
 
sorry flashy, I actually mis read your post. Yes, all gas converted cars keep a petrol tank, some choose to remove the original one and fit a small one so they can use the space for the gas tank(Mainly 4x4's). My Volvo holds 15 gallons of LPG and 15 gallons of Petrol. If I was to fill both I could drive for > 800 miles without stopping(wee permitting! :D )

emamum 29-04-2008 21:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 569358)
sorry flashy, I actually mis read your post. Yes, all gas converted cars keep a petrol tank, some choose to remove the original one and fit a small one so they can use the space for the gas tank(Mainly 4x4's). My Volvo holds 15 gallons of LPG and 15 gallons of Petrol. If I was to fill both I could drive for > 800 miles without stopping(wee permitting! :D )

that doesnt have to be a problem :D

Travel John, Travel John Jnr, Urinals, Urinal Aids

pipinfort 01-05-2008 15:37

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I take it nobody uses or has used it then........:confused:

MITZY 01-05-2008 16:13

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we have used it once and vowed never to use it again, exhaust kicked loadsa smoke out and it smelt awful.......maybe it was the car, also at the time it was not all that much cheaper.

pipinfort 01-05-2008 16:34

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I do believe your exhaust gives out a bit of a smell only likened to KFC....!!!LOL

MITZY 01-05-2008 17:54

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KFC or a well used chip pan.............

MargaretR 01-05-2008 18:08

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My dad had a VW beetle from new, which he eventually gave to me.
He saved money by substituting underseal treatment with the contents of the chip pan.
That car smelt of chips for the whole of it's existance

Roy 02-05-2008 02:27

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I used to use biodiesel in my 300TDI defender. It ran fine off of it and smelt lovely. I got mine from this company in Burnley Eco Bio Diesel - Homepage
I also ran on a 50/50 mix of veg oil and diesel which also worked very well, but you do have to pay extra tax on it and declare your usage. Its much easier just to use legally produced biodiesel that has the duty already paid.

Neil 02-05-2008 06:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy (Post 570250)
I also ran on a 50/50 mix of veg oil and diesel which also worked very well, but you do have to pay extra tax on it and declare your usage. Its much easier just to use legally produced biodiesel that has the duty already paid.

Why not run on a 50/50 virgin veg oil and bio diesel? I doubt they could tell the difference if you were stopped and dipped.

pipinfort 02-05-2008 13:05

Re: Bio Diesel.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy (Post 570250)
I used to use biodiesel in my 300TDI defender. It ran fine off of it and smelt lovely. I got mine from this company in Burnley Eco Bio Diesel - Homepage
I also ran on a 50/50 mix of veg oil and diesel which also worked very well, but you do have to pay extra tax on it and declare your usage. Its much easier just to use legally produced biodiesel that has the duty already paid.

Great , thanx for that, thinking of giving it a go.

Neil 02-05-2008 14:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pipinfort (Post 570421)
Great , thanx for that, thinking of giving it a go.


Out of interest what is your car?
It says in the handbook of mine not to use it.

Also why do you want to use bio? Because it is cheaper or greener?

K.S.H 03-05-2008 21:13

Re: Bio Diesel.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 569335)
whilst its technically possible its not likely. To make a engine run on gas and diesel it has to be a diesel engine to start with and you then have to add a full spark ignition system to it. There is one Taxi in accy funny enough that is a diesel one that can run on gas but it was done at great cost as an experiment to show it was possible. I have NEVER heard of another gas/DERV engines car in any of teh LPG forums I go on.

Just seen this post, can't see anyone wanting to convert a diesel to gas, the engine wouldn't last 2 mins, compression ratios are totally different on gas and petrol cars to diesel ones, diesels aren't built to rev as much as petrol/gas either, put petrol in a diesel engine, compress it, ignite it and stand well clear :)
You sure it isn't a diesel/gas mix in the taxi? thats possible but doesn't save you a great deal so people don't bother getting it done

entwisi 04-05-2008 02:42

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pretty sure, if you hear it running you would say it was a petrol engined one. I had a good natter with teh bloke who did it. I got the jist that he wanted to do it just to prove he could.

pipinfort 04-05-2008 07:08

Re: Bio Diesel.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 570448)
Out of interest what is your car?
It says in the handbook of mine not to use it.

Also why do you want to use bio? Because it is cheaper or greener?


Renault Scenic.............and because it is cheaper.

Neil 04-05-2008 07:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pipinfort (Post 571203)
Renault Scenic.............and because it is cheaper.

How new is it?

I would do a lot of reading if I was you before using it on an expensive vehicle vegetableoildiesel.co.uk - Renault Scenic 1.9 DCI RX4 - Powered by XMB

pipinfort 04-05-2008 08:18

Re: Bio Diesel.
 
its a 2005, cheers for the link. i have been looking into it and done plenty of research, just wanted any opinions from accy webbers who may have used it.

folly 05-05-2008 01:07

Re: Bio Diesel.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 569340)
All conversions will run on gas and petrol, not diesel though

when safeway was on the go they used to have a couple of class one trucks that ran on lpg.they have to run about 20% diesel to supply the spark to ignite the gas

K.S.H 05-05-2008 05:13

Re: Bio Diesel.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by folly (Post 571722)
when safeway was on the go they used to have a couple of class one trucks that ran on lpg.they have to run about 20% diesel to supply the spark to ignite the gas

Think you got that the wrong way round, diesel won't ignite with a spark :D

entwisi 05-05-2008 09:28

Re: Bio Diesel.
 
I think he was trying to say the diesel burnt under compression to ignite the LPG

K.S.H 05-05-2008 10:45

Re: Bio Diesel.
 
LOL, did reply at 06:13 this morning :)

Mik Dickinson 12-05-2008 06:47

Re: Bio Diesel.
 
The car manufactures in Germany advice not to use the bio diesel unless you get a certain addative for the stuff.The bio diesel could ruin your diesel pump.


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